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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:27:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:Zyress wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Lipbite wrote:CCP killed the only group-oriented PvE content in hi-sec which was like 1/3 of past expansion + greatly devalued their own game for majority of their customer (a.k.a "hisec-ers, we are 75%"). So most people just returned to their pre-incursion activities + probably some of them now farming easy FW LPs in gun-less frigates. So, you're saying people weren't doing it for the groups, they were only doing it for the ISK? How many things that are done in the game besides PvP aren't for ISK? At the highest level of gameplay PVP is for the ISK, too. True story.
Also, trading is PvP and it's indeed done for the ISK. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
75
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:36:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:CCP introduces new gameplay.... People cry about new gameplay.... CCP overreacts and nerfs gameplay to the point of being worthless..... This pretty much sums of CCP's handling of any additions to the game.
Never did an Incursion, never felt the need to check it out, but also didn't care that other people were making isk at it. there are plenty of ways to make easy Isk in this game. If people want to complain about easy Isk making, perhaps there is a more appropriate target...... CCP did what they had to do, shutoff easy isk fountain.
people do enjoy incursion still do them, only lazy, risk-adverse carebears leave
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
169
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:39:00 -
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Fountain of isk dried. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
224
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:54:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:CCP introduces new gameplay.... People cry about new gameplay.... CCP overreacts and nerfs gameplay to the point of being worthless..... This pretty much sums of CCP's handling of any additions to the game.
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Pretty much sounds like it. I'm surprised W-Space survived the beating it must have taken from the entrenched NULL SECcers whines. I guess the combined whines of NULL & WHolers was too much. CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
720
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:04:00 -
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We never cared about WH's, risk/reward was clearly in balance. Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1011
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Posted - 2012.06.09 04:28:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Fountain of isk dried. Now looking for Wells of ISK Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
39
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Posted - 2012.06.09 04:39:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:We never cared about WH's, risk/reward was clearly in balance.
Agreed.
It seems pretty well accepted that the average wormhole shmoe takes more risk and puts in more effort to get his greater reward over his nullsec counterpart. Unsurprisingly, almost everyone has been happy to leave that little slice of Eve known as wormholes as is because it has generally been an astounding success in terms of adding well-balanced diversity to the game.
I will also confidently add that nullsec players have generally supported substantial buffs to lowsec income and content, as we recognize a blatantly broken and neglected gameplay element and swathe of community.
That same respect and consideration, however, has never been extended to the obviously broken and imbalanced incursion content.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
640
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:23:00 -
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As it turns out about 90% of the people running incursions were doing it just because it was the thing that got the most possible isk per hour. Not because they actually enjoyed the content, or liked meeting new people, or had a solid group of friends that they liked to do PVE content with.
They were carebears, the only important thing to them is the number in their wallet, actual interaction with other human beings is irrelevant to them so they quit.
The people you'll find running incursions now are the few people left who were actually doing them because they liked them for reasons beyond the quantity of income they generated. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
909
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:26:00 -
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the solution was to make them exclusive to lowsec
problem solved eh |
Trollin
72
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:40:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only.
Nothing quite like greed to build and hold groups of individuals together
they are individuals afterall... . |
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COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
89
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Posted - 2012.06.09 17:15:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:As it turns out about 90% of the people running incursions were doing it just because it was the thing that got the most possible isk per hour. Not because they actually enjoyed the content, or liked meeting new people, or had a solid group of friends that they liked to do PVE content with.
They were carebears, the only important thing to them is the number in their wallet, actual interaction with other human beings is irrelevant to them so they quit.
The people you'll find running incursions now are the few people left who were actually doing them because they liked them for reasons beyond the quantity of income they generated.
Mostly left because the income and the bothersome issue of moving ships from point A to point B each time was more bothersome than actually rewarding. Add to that that few people actually play and have a life outside game that makes it that they cannot engage more than few hours of gameplay
Add to that when making fleets (HQ/AS) takes ages and not to forgive that if someone leaves the whole fleet just stands at a planet doing nothing but linking fukung images in fleet. And VG running sites then having someone leave and again standing at a planet doing nothing. Making the influence bar being high all the time etc etc.
HQ/AS never needed nerf, only thing they needed to do was random spawns and less payout more LP for VG and not having to kill EVERYTHING on a site.
Only real payout issue with incursions was the Legion fleets or the Nightmare fleets running OTA/NCO that had massive income per hour.
Scout sites need boost since tthey give less payout than ratting in feaking highsec.
Also funny fact that another fleet stealing sites from another fleet is not a given risk is quite funny for me. ___________________ I left incursion few days ago since I did not feel like it was something interesting anymore. There is to little people running this nowdays that having a fleet is bothersome and FCing even more. Also logging in each time and notice that next incursion is 30j away and have to move 3 ships to next site is well bothersome. Found that running Missions in highsec with friends was better than looking for people in broken or dead communities.
Not saying that it did not need any balancing but saying that this nerf was a good one just screams ignorant to me that did not do his homework and screams NERF being the sheep he is.
Balancing was needed but again CCP like always doing it wrong. Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |
COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
89
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Posted - 2012.06.09 17:17:00 -
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doublepost.. Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
238
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Posted - 2012.06.12 22:58:00 -
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Incursion Vanguards fleets are dieing because they become a wall of OTA's basically and CCP doesn't have the time to make the real changes necessary to the sites so they stumble around the elephant in the room with 2 rollbacks that look to be a slap in the face from what people's feedback of those whom actually run them. The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.06.12 23:11:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursion Vanguards fleets are dieing because they become a wall of OTA's basically and CCP doesn't have the time to make the real changes necessary to the sites so they stumble around the elephant in the room with 2 rollbacks that look to be a slap in the face from what people's feedback of those whom actually run them.
I thought you quit already.
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Disdaine
406
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Posted - 2012.06.13 01:33:00 -
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CCP rolling something back....
Couldn't possibly mean anything.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72880 |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1874
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Posted - 2012.06.13 01:57:00 -
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That they're missing the point? They needed to buff Assaults and HQs, not re-buff VGs. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1497
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Posted - 2012.06.13 02:00:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursion Vanguards fleets are dieing because they become a wall of OTA's basically and CCP doesn't have the time to make the real changes necessary to the sites so they stumble around the elephant in the room with 2 rollbacks that look to be a slap in the face from what people's feedback of those whom actually run them.
OTAs went from being too easy to dangerous. People avoid them because poorly tanked ships can't be rescued by hero logistics, and when ships blow up people panic and blame the logistics, and the logistics don't like being the whipping boy. So the logistics quit, so none has fleets anymore.
CCP needs to learn the art of driving a tack with a tack hammer, rather than hitting everything with their 500lb hammer of doom. Any PvPer knows that even a 1% improvement in performance is enough to change the outcome of a fight. OTAs were buffed by about 20%: full waves have to be killed, there are more ships in each wave, and those ships are more dangerous. The Vanguard income nerf was well deserved, but the simultaneous buffing of vanguard sites along with increasing Sansha influence gains was heavy-handed.
In the meantime, staging sites are still left alone because they are of no interest to anyone.
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Kreeia Dgore
EntroPrelatial Industria T A B O O
33
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Posted - 2012.06.13 04:29:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:the solution was to make them exclusive to lowsec
problem solved Goons idea screwed them in the first place. Why to listen to them AGAIN, just to screw it again? Makes some sence though, since goons declared war to ccp, so you are making stupid proposals in order to bring it down. But it seems like if ccp is stupid enought to listen to you for the first time, at least switch back some time later. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
948
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Posted - 2012.06.13 04:32:00 -
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Kreeia Dgore wrote:Goons idea screwed them in the first place. Why to listen to them AGAIN, just to screw it again? Makes some sence though, since goons declared war to ccp, so you are making stupid proposals in order to bring it down. But it seems like if ccp is stupid enought to listen to you for the first time, at least switch back some time later.
yeah somehow I don't think that eve losing a bunch of retired wow raiders would be bad eh |
Rukia Taika
Dueces Wyld Jokers Wild.
12
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Posted - 2012.06.13 04:57:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursion Vanguards fleets are dieing because they become a wall of OTA's basically and CCP doesn't have the time to make the real changes necessary to the sites so they stumble around the elephant in the room with 2 rollbacks that look to be a slap in the face from what people's feedback of those whom actually run them.
Dude. Seriously take a few steps back and remember to breath. I know you been talking alot about the incursion nerfing and bat beating it took and alot of the community disappeared due to said beating. and with the current Dev blog on incursions of the Roll back on things. you all can find the link for that not hard.
Darth Take a break relax enjoy the summer and most of all...have fun
Peace |
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Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2012.06.13 05:06:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only. Like every other community in Eve?
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1617
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Posted - 2012.06.13 05:28:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:Incursions were mostly done -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----hisec missions.
Trolling is prohibited.
ISD Tyrozan Ensign Community Communications Liaisons
oh FFS CCP TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
239
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Posted - 2012.06.13 06:09:00 -
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Voith wrote:Lexmana wrote:Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only. Like every other community in Eve?
lol but PvP aint about greed The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2012.06.13 12:59:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Voith wrote:Lexmana wrote:Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only. Like every other community in Eve? lol but PvP aint about greed Rite, no one fights over tech moons. |
Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
545
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:11:00 -
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Voith wrote:Lexmana wrote:Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only. Like every other community in Eve? You have never heard of Fweddit have you? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
239
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:13:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Voith wrote:Lexmana wrote:Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only. Like every other community in Eve? You have never heard of Fweddit have you?
What you trying to tell me Faction Warfare complexes are not being farmed like mad by Minmatar speed tanking 8 day old alts? These guys are making more ISK by selling LP's hand over foot then the Incursion runners were at thier height! The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
231
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:47:00 -
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Sanshas kidnapped them all and made them mindless drones farming Faction Warfare plexes. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
317
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:22:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Kreeia Dgore wrote:Goons idea screwed them in the first place. Why to listen to them AGAIN, just to screw it again? Makes some sence though, since goons declared war to ccp, so you are making stupid proposals in order to bring it down. But it seems like if ccp is stupid enought to listen to you for the first time, at least switch back some time later. yeah somehow I don't think that eve losing a bunch of retired wow raiders would be bad
Mission runners are bad and need to be removed from the game Players who were looking forward to a (full) incarna are bad and must be griefed until they leave. High end ore in WH is bad needs to be removed Incursion runners are bad and need to go/nerfed. High sec miners are bad for the game and need to be removed
Congratulations, on your campaign, you are really successful in removing all of them, but what you might not realise is, that a possible result is a slow death of the game.
I am certain you or your glorious leaders have some plans on how to ruin the fun of Dust players. If Dust also fails, like a lot of CCP projects in the past then the company is a very bad position and that would certainly affect the future of EVE.
....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced. |
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
75
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:27:00 -
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CCP has seen common sense and is reversing most of the incursion nerf apparantly. SO yay that.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72880 <- sauce
I might even be able to join in the fun again soon! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
243
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:43:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:As it turns out about 90% of the people running incursions were doing it just because it was the thing that got the most possible isk per hour. Not because they actually enjoyed the content, or liked meeting new people, or had a solid group of friends that they liked to do PVE content with.
They were carebears, the only important thing to them is the number in their wallet, actual interaction with other human beings is irrelevant to them so they quit.
The people you'll find running incursions now are the few people left who were actually doing them because they liked them for reasons beyond the quantity of income they generated.
90% while CCP Soundwave or others refuse to disclose thenumbers even I doubt that many left the HI SEC incursions. Thenumbers that left NULL and lo SEC incursions though are probably between 95-100% You are calling the peeps tha twere doing the LO SEC Incursions carebears? The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
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