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Holly Hotdrop
Caldari TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:26:00 -
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hello m8s, i found this on another eve related bored and thought it might be interesting:
Quote: if the players themselves can improve systems then all the players will be able to do it with all systems, making any kind of upgrade worthless on the basis of abundant competition.
for some reason ccp doesn't understand that scarce resources creates conflict and have been trying their hardest to cut down on things to fight over. for example, scarcity of good mining systems -> wrecked by drone regions, scarcity of good plexes -> ruined by exploration, wormspace -> literally impossible to fight over, r64s -> about to be nerfed to nothing
this isn't just some random patch introducing some new game element, this is has been done systematic for years, turning it into some kind of wow thing. it's weird as hell and we should probably be taking it as a hint that eve wont be worth playing for much longer.
so , what do u guys thinK?
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Faife
Minmatar Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:29:00 -
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Delve is getting nerfed. deal with it. -- Check out my EVE cartoons - most recent: #17 Goomba needs a new job |
Myz Toyou
Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Myz Toyou on 02/10/2009 16:32:08 Was planned on the IT BBQ 2009
Molle still controls your game.
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Fat Ducker
Amarr Lucky Hydra Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Myz Toyou Edited by: Myz Toyou on 02/10/2009 16:32:08 Was planned on the IT BBQ 2009
Molle still controls your game.
Just sayin...
Tired old meme = best meme?
To the OP: General is that way.
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Khorian
Gallente Excidium.
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:41:00 -
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I somewhat can understand the way you are thinking, but that is because you are on the winning team atm.
Scarcity of things is all nice and good, and it hightens the value of the things that are scarce. But when those things are unattainable for smaller entities and all exclusively controlled by huge powerblocks that work together to kill anything that even just looks the way of those scarce and precious things, something needs to change.
And that change is to give smaller entities the chance to compete with the big ones.
You shouldn't be worried tho. Goonswarm is the largest alliance, and with their massive manpower they will surely be able to keep controlling and harvesting and improving 3 regions without any problems.
So, calm down.
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ArmyOfMe
Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Holly Hotdrop
so , what do u guys thinK?
your stupid
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Anahid Brutus
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Khorian I somewhat can understand the way you are thinking, but that is because you are on the winning team atm.
Scarcity of things is all nice and good, and it hightens the value of the things that are scarce. But when those things are unattainable for smaller entities and all exclusively controlled by huge powerblocks that work together to kill anything that even just looks the way of those scarce and precious things, something needs to change.
And that change is to give smaller entities the chance to compete with the big ones.
You shouldn't be worried tho. Goonswarm is the largest alliance, and with their massive manpower they will surely be able to keep controlling and harvesting and improving 3 regions without any problems.
So, calm down.
this isnt about isk. **** it, anyone who has held a handful of r64s for more than 2 months dont care about isk anymore(or at least wont have to for a couple of years, ironically, this means r64s probably wont be worth the effort for alliances to fight over for months(if ever) simply because they're so rich at this point). this is about finding something worth fighting over.
Let's think about the new sov system. Upgrade the sov thing and you get better rats and exploration plexes. What exactly does this mean? Currently all of 0.0 spawns all plexes and the amount of effective -1 true sec systems is like 2-3 times the amount of alliance players online at any one time, so why should people be fighting over something that's overly abundant and easily accessible by anyone?
I can see fighting just for griefing or whatever, but you're not going to get big fights out of fighting over nothing.
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Venetian Tar
Caldari The 0ri
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Holly Hotdrop
so , what do u guys thinK?
your stupid
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Sanitarium Slave
Minmatar Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Anahid Brutus
Originally by: Khorian I somewhat can understand the way you are thinking, but that is because you are on the winning team atm.
Scarcity of things is all nice and good, and it hightens the value of the things that are scarce. But when those things are unattainable for smaller entities and all exclusively controlled by huge powerblocks that work together to kill anything that even just looks the way of those scarce and precious things, something needs to change.
And that change is to give smaller entities the chance to compete with the big ones.
You shouldn't be worried tho. Goonswarm is the largest alliance, and with their massive manpower they will surely be able to keep controlling and harvesting and improving 3 regions without any problems.
So, calm down.
this isnt about isk. **** it, anyone who has held a handful of r64s for more than 2 months dont care about isk anymore(or at least wont have to for a couple of years, ironically, this means r64s probably wont be worth the effort for alliances to fight over for months(if ever) simply because they're so rich at this point). this is about finding something worth fighting over.
Let's think about the new sov system. Upgrade the sov thing and you get better rats and exploration plexes. What exactly does this mean? Currently all of 0.0 spawns all plexes and the amount of effective -1 true sec systems is like 2-3 times the amount of alliance players online at any one time, so why should people be fighting over something that's overly abundant and easily accessible by anyone?
I can see fighting just for griefing or whatever, but you're not going to get big fights out of fighting over nothing.
You have a good point, but i believe what they want to do is turn eve into more of small warfare than large, yes right now to hold those good spots you have to fight for it but you really CAN'T do anything if you are not on one of the major powerblocks. And i have to admit that being a blob drone isn't that fun at all. ---------- Unless specifically stated otherwise, the opinions expressed in my posts do not reflect those held by my corporation or alliance.
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Exie
Gallente Phantasmal Collective Wicked Nation
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:17:00 -
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Right now there is a lot of speculation... could be that you can upgrade from a base tru-sec. So an upgrade for a -.85 or -1 system will yield even greater amounts of what ever than a -.1 system. Right now we simply do not know enough about the upgrade system to even understand it's impact other than the provibloc is probably going to be even more crowded. E...
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enjoi
Gallente Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:17:00 -
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Laconfyr
Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Venetian Tar
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Holly Hotdrop
so , what do u guys thinK?
your stupid
No, you're stupid.
No, you're a towel!
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Anahid Brutus
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sanitarium Slave You have a good point, but i believe what they want to do is turn eve into more of small warfare than large
Small-scale warfare over what? There doesn't exist a resource that a small gang can contest/force a fight over. It just isn't there. In fact, the only resource small gangs ever could contest has been made abundant through exploration.
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De Guantanamo
Gallente Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:25:00 -
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when was eve worth playing?
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Anahid Brutus
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Exie Right now there is a lot of speculation... could be that you can upgrade from a base tru-sec. So an upgrade for a -.85 or -1 system will yield even greater amounts of what ever than a -.1 system.
-1 already spawns the highest bounty rats and if you groom the system properly then every single belt will be filled with highest bounty rats. The only way you could make that better would be if it all the rats were faction rats, and I guess if there was a really, really expensive upgrade that did yield nothing but faction/officer rats then that would be worth a lot. Well, until the faction/officer loot market crashed anyway.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:31:00 -
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It is true that limited resources create conflicts. When the resources are worth fighting over it is all fine and good.
Removing limited resources is bad. Nothing to fight for. Bad.
But I think the CCP guys are not that stupid that they dont know it.
And let's face it, the plexes were all monopolized. No big fights over them. R64 moons were also all monopolized. No real big fighting over them either. At least not en masse.
So, no big change.
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Fitz Chivalry
Gallente eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: De Guantanamo when was eve worth playing?
In beta (apparently)
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Anahid Brutus
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie R64 moons were also all monopolized. No real big fighting over them either. At least not en masse.
Funny you should say that, because all the battlereport threads on the caod first page are about massive R64 fights. So I guess you're just making up ****, that's cool
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Venetian Tar
Caldari The 0ri
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Laconfyr
Originally by: Venetian Tar
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Holly Hotdrop
so , what do u guys thinK?
your stupid
No, you're stupid.
No, you're a towel!
I disagree.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Anahid Brutus
Originally by: Gnulpie R64 moons were also all monopolized. No real big fighting over them either. At least not en masse.
Funny you should say that, because all the battlereport threads on the caod first page are about massive R64 fights. So I guess you're just making up ****, that's cool
Yeah, and how many fights are there compared to the amount of moons?
LTR - I said en masse.
And no, lost of cap fights are for sov pos' also. Not just r64 moons. Don't ignore facts which don't fit into your point of view.
Problem is that with the removal of pos warfare another reason for cap battles will just go *poof*.
Why do you think we have all those big cap battles recently? Because the big guys know exactly that cap battles will be something of the past so they throw in their soon-to-be-uselss caps for some fun times.
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Exie
Gallente Phantasmal Collective Wicked Nation
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:44:00 -
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<FACEPALM> CCP is going to make caps useless. Even when they say they say they will add more caps to the game. E...
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Oofig VanDoogan
Gallente Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:45:00 -
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Twigand Berries
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:48:00 -
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I've got a couple of spherical bodies for you all to fight over.
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Anahid Brutus
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Anahid Brutus
Originally by: Gnulpie R64 moons were also all monopolized. No real big fighting over them either. At least not en masse.
Funny you should say that, because all the battlereport threads on the caod first page are about massive R64 fights. So I guess you're just making up ****, that's cool
And no, lost of cap fights are for sov pos' also. Not just r64 moons. Don't ignore facts which don't fit into your point of view.
Speaking of facts, you wouldn't mind backing those claims up, would you? I couldn't find the huge sov fights you were talking about so I'm assuming you're just trying to go all offensive in hopes that I back off your dumb fucking posting!
And sure, there are problems with there only being a handful of power blocks able to contest these objectives, but that isn't the point. In fact, it should simply argue in favor of CCP making similar, smaller objectives that small gangs could effectively fight over.
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Akinetopsia
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Faife Delve is getting nerfed. deal with it.
like they could even if they wanted to
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:00:00 -
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Moved to General Discussion.
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Emperor Salazar
Caldari Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Moved to General Discussion.
orly?
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:10:00 -
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What they're trying to do is make is so that all of 0.0 if viable. Not just select system. To also limit mega alliance's from claiming(And not useing) monstrous swaths of 0.0.
The changes comeing will mean that even small alliance's, that normally act as renters, or NPC station players, will be able to carve out a small cluster of stars, and make a home there.
And if there are hundreds of 0.0 alliance's, all with their own homes, they'll need to pvp over something. So we'll be going back to the old raiding/defending gangs of old.
Roaming raid gangs will become the most popular form of pvp again.
It'll just mean that instead of say.. say... Shadow of xXDEATHXx having 191 systems for their 3000 members, they might only need 20-30. If that.
that will open up HUGH swaths of 0.0 for new alliance's to form.
Theres always going to be pvp. Theres always going to be conflict.
Just because resourses are more plentiful doesnt' mean folks will just sit back and hoard it.
Think about it...What's the use of having all the isk in the world if you can't use it to beat the crap outta someone else?
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Kal'breth Naitalin
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:11:00 -
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Simple fact boils down to one thing, money.
Currently, CCP is not gaining customers it is losing them. New players do not have the chance a person that started new 2 or 3 years ago did. They can not afford to play in the game, so why pay for a game in which you can not really expand. This expansion in my opinion will help eliminate this issue. It allows new players, smaller corps and factions the ability to compete.
Yes it will cut down on the conflicts, however there is always some kind of confict in a game of this nature.
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FlyinS
Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:17:00 -
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Um, no.
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