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Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:28:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote: We will force them to "refocus" their development plans to give us strippers and WiS.
Look at this stripper
edit : from seleenes http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.de/ |
Takamori Maruyama
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:41:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Takamori Maruyama wrote:Well if they add some DECENT lore explaining why in the nine hells the capsulers decided to go more "human" and give a real purpose to WiS that affect the world of EVE instead of being a friggin Fashion week design just to milk money from "flamboyant enthusiasts" then yes I will support the idea. But the way that WiS was introduced heck no and I understand all the mad generated. Decent lore? That's the equivelant of saying, "if i dont' like it I won't except it." How do you quantify "decent"? How about, I dion't know. Books based on EVE, sold and endorsed by CCP that has pod pilots getting out of their ships. CCP's explenation that pod pilots have always been able to get ouf of their ships, it's just not enjoyable. How about a new game based in the EVE universe that actually introduces new technology into the world of EVE in which the instant transference of an individuals being is no longer reserved for only the pod pilot. The "lore" has already been, and continues to be, written. Just because some people ignore it or don't consider it "decent" doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I agree with rest of what you wrote about it being an actual feature with purpose. BTW, CCP didn't create lore that was past, present, and future. They only wrote the past, let us determine the present, and continue to build on the future. We're not a part of the past were the future has been decided, we are the present. Or is there something I haven't read in which CCP has written the future of EVE already?
Ok I retract myself regarding the lore, but they should had talk more with the players regarding incarna , had to create a entire new team just to create incarna and implementing it when it was actually done. Because the Quarters just gave an alpha bad taste in the EVE players mouth and with the NeX store people(plus the infamous email that leaked) that the game would turn into a Pay 2 win fest. In my point of view they could actually mix Dust Mercs with Capsulers to give Incarna more meaning.(Or maybe they could add a new justification why capsulers decided to go more human due to health issues generated by the capsules turning em more paranoics , schizophrenic and other mental issues that could happen from "Clone jumping" and being so much time exposed in the capsule goo)
Loud and clear... |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
171
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:07:00 -
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betoli wrote:Oregin wrote:First explain to me what gameplay you'd like to see from WiS. Walking around copy pasted station interiors is NOT gameplay, do you have any suggestions that aren't dross? I feel that's more than likely the issue at hand here... I want operations planning rooms I want ebay style auctions in contracts replaced by real time auction rooms I want to be able to sneak into someones hanger and plant a tracking device on someones ship.
The ability to murder a carebear with a knife in is CQ, and then steal everything from him . If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1492
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:08:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:This is a spaceship game, not WiS Online.
It's also a politics game, where you can play the game without even being subscribed.
It's also an economics game where you can play the game without leaving station.
It's also a sci fi universe simulator. We will shortly be able to commission soldiers to fight on our behalf to wipe out our competition in the planet-based manufacturing sector.
This game is most certainly about more than just spaceships.
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ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells
76
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:25:00 -
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If I was interested in WiS, it would only be to nosey round the stations, but it would be too graphics intense for your average hardware.
I had a look at CQ and my graphics card fan started howling with the increased workload, the GPU is no slouch either as it is a GTX470 factory o'c.
So those of you that still want WiS it may kill your system without you seriously upgrading your hardware first. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
411
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Posted - 2012.06.10 11:12:00 -
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Good things come to those who wait.
I am happy to wait. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Acot Voth
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.06.10 13:34:00 -
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I find it very odd that so many players seem affraid of it. Chamge is life, learn to roll with it. I dont see how a new content creation device could be bad for the game, especially if it brings in more subs which results in more funding for EVE. |
Vladimir Plinnikov
Plinnikov Family Holdings
21
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:48:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS sine die for no good reason as far as we are concerned?
Nothing. Not a single thing. The players have spoken. While we think an avatar based WIS game within EVE would be cool but we do not want a buggy mess at the expense of all other work on EVE. There is a list of features that need iteration and those need to be made a priority over any WIS development. Incarna brought no new players to EVE and neglecting the other gameplay areas of EVE brought massive unsubs. Simple math for CCP.
Yes it did. I subbed because of Incarna. Try not to speak in generalizations |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
776
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:53:00 -
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Vladimir Plinnikov wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS sine die for no good reason as far as we are concerned?
Nothing. Not a single thing. The players have spoken. While we think an avatar based WIS game within EVE would be cool but we do not want a buggy mess at the expense of all other work on EVE. There is a list of features that need iteration and those need to be made a priority over any WIS development. Incarna brought no new players to EVE and neglecting the other gameplay areas of EVE brought massive unsubs. Simple math for CCP. Yes it did. I subbed because of Incarna. Try not to speak in generalizations Did you also stay subbed because of it?
I mean if we're not speaking in generalities here, let's get down to business.
Was it Incarna content that kept you subbed, or the carrot-and-stick promise of Incarna content yet-to-come?
Or are you staying subbed for the spaceships? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:20:00 -
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This:
"Once again, Jon Lander set the initial tone of the meeting by reiterating that 'game play' has been made part of the mandate of the people still working on Incarna. At the same time we were made aware of a few things that are in the pipe which would require only a little effort to add into the game. We saw some very interesting ideas and concepts which I can't really talk about but helped me believe that CCP 'gets it'. The best part was that the presenters were eager to show off their work and surprised us with their progress."
Was very reassuring for me. |
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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
311
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:30:00 -
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I don't see how they will ever get any WiS development past the community anymore after the debacle last year.
Sure it would be a cool addition to the game, but not at the expense of the core game development, and this sentiment has gone over the top with regard to the posting community.
I dunno, maybe Dust will grant them a hook to add to the WiS component we have today. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:37:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:I don't see how they will ever get any WiS development past the community anymore after the debacle last year.
Sure it would be a cool addition to the game, but not at the expense of the core game development, and this sentiment has gone over the top with regard to the posting community.
I dunno, maybe Dust will grant them a hook to add to the WiS component we have today.
They have a team working on it.
No one quit over CQ, but most people were unhappy that CQ really amounted to nothing. If it had actually been WiS with gameplay involved no on would have been bitching except for the small group of people who have some strange aversion to any kind of change in EVE. |
Lina Alar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
263
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:20:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:I don't see how they will ever get any WiS development past the community anymore after the debacle last year.
Sure it would be a cool addition to the game, but not at the expense of the core game development, and this sentiment has gone over the top with regard to the posting community.
I dunno, maybe Dust will grant them a hook to add to the WiS component we have today. They have a team working on it. No one quit over CQ, but most people were unhappy that CQ really amounted to nothing. If it had actually been WiS with gameplay involved no on would have been bitching except for the small group of people who have some strange aversion to any kind of change in EVE. It wasn't the CQ... It was the NeX combined with the newsletter. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
780
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:25:00 -
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Lina Alar wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:I don't see how they will ever get any WiS development past the community anymore after the debacle last year.
Sure it would be a cool addition to the game, but not at the expense of the core game development, and this sentiment has gone over the top with regard to the posting community.
I dunno, maybe Dust will grant them a hook to add to the WiS component we have today. They have a team working on it. No one quit over CQ, but most people were unhappy that CQ really amounted to nothing. If it had actually been WiS with gameplay involved no on would have been bitching except for the small group of people who have some strange aversion to any kind of change in EVE. It wasn't the CQ... It was the NeX combined with the newsletter. And the fact that it took much longer to dock, change ships, and undock with CQ turned on.
Oh wait and the fact that you couldn't turn CQ off.
That was a big one right there. It took longer than the old way and at the same time we could no longer use the old way.
Despite the fact that we were initially told that basically WiS/CQ/Whaaaambulation would not interfere with actual Eve gameplay.
So I guess nobody quit over CQ - except all the people who did. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Vladimir Plinnikov
Plinnikov Family Holdings
21
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:49:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Vladimir Plinnikov wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS sine die for no good reason as far as we are concerned?
Nothing. Not a single thing. The players have spoken. While we think an avatar based WIS game within EVE would be cool but we do not want a buggy mess at the expense of all other work on EVE. There is a list of features that need iteration and those need to be made a priority over any WIS development. Incarna brought no new players to EVE and neglecting the other gameplay areas of EVE brought massive unsubs. Simple math for CCP. Yes it did. I subbed because of Incarna. Try not to speak in generalizations Did you also stay subbed because of it? I mean if we're not speaking in generalities here, let's get down to business. Was it Incarna content that kept you subbed, or the carrot-and-stick promise of Incarna content yet-to-come? Or are you staying subbed for the spaceships?
The spaceships are nice, but if I'm being completely honest Eve is the only game in the corner. If there was another sci fi game as indepth and openworld as Eve I would be there in a heartbeat.
I looked at Eve when it first came out, didn't try it. The whole capsuleer "demigod" thing turned me off. I wanted to command a starship in a sci fi universe not be some goo king in a pod.
When the build up to Incarna came I started reading all the things it would have to offer, the talk of CCP realizing their goal of a "sci fi simulator". I was dissapointed, but not nearly as dissapointed when the community seemed to turn on its head over any change. After sticking around the boards for a while I see know where some of that angst came from.
I'm sticking around for two reasons really. 1. The promise of incarna content yet to come, and 2. Eve is a game I can stay competitive in despite recently having twins and there being virtually zero time for gaming. As the twins get older and I get more time to play I would imagine the ability to not play a game and be competitive is no longer going to be a selling point. I may leave then, or I may not. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
781
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:59:00 -
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Vladimir Plinnikov wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Vladimir Plinnikov wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS sine die for no good reason as far as we are concerned?
Nothing. Not a single thing. The players have spoken. While we think an avatar based WIS game within EVE would be cool but we do not want a buggy mess at the expense of all other work on EVE. There is a list of features that need iteration and those need to be made a priority over any WIS development. Incarna brought no new players to EVE and neglecting the other gameplay areas of EVE brought massive unsubs. Simple math for CCP. Yes it did. I subbed because of Incarna. Try not to speak in generalizations Did you also stay subbed because of it? I mean if we're not speaking in generalities here, let's get down to business. Was it Incarna content that kept you subbed, or the carrot-and-stick promise of Incarna content yet-to-come? Or are you staying subbed for the spaceships? The spaceships are nice, but if I'm being completely honest Eve is the only game in the corner. If there was another sci fi game as indepth and openworld as Eve I would be there in a heartbeat. I looked at Eve when it first came out, didn't try it. The whole capsuleer "demigod" thing turned me off. I wanted to command a starship in a sci fi universe not be some goo king in a pod. When the build up to Incarna came I started reading all the things it would have to offer, the talk of CCP realizing their goal of a "sci fi simulator". I was dissapointed, but not nearly as dissapointed when the community seemed to turn on its head over any change. After sticking around the boards for a while I see know where some of that angst came from. I'm sticking around for two reasons really. 1. The promise of incarna content yet to come, and 2. Eve is a game I can stay competitive in despite recently having twins and there being virtually zero time for gaming. As the twins get older and I get more time to play I would imagine the ability to not play a game and be competitive is no longer going to be a selling point. I may leave then, or I may not. You have to understand a few things in context here:
Before CQ the client was 2.9GB. My Eve folder is now 12.8GB. All that extra data had effectively zero, and I do mean zero effect on gameplay. The bulk of this worthless ballooning appeared with Incarna. We got nothing but added download and update times, with no improvement in functionality. And here's the kicker: All along, for years, we were promised that WiS would make a real difference to the spaceships part of the game we were paying for if we chose to use it, and that if we chose not to it wouldn't interfere with our gameplay whatsoever.
What we got was nothing at all like what we were promised. And with the stinking turd that was Incarna we also got a huge dose of :smug: from CCP's leadership - as if whatever were promised paled in significance next to $1000 Japanese jeans. Incarna had a chance to change Eve, instead what Incarna did was screw the pooch.
Hell yes, many were bitter over it. And given what the players of Eve were promised and seeing the joke that was delivered, I think rightfully so. It wasn't just a community that "seemed to turn on its head over any change." It was a community who had been duped, once again, and weren't standing still for it anymore. That is why some of us rage about this topic, for whatever that's worth. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
42
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:08:00 -
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Agreed.
The failure of Incarna was the deployment of a huge amount of resources to try and sell us virtual clothes. The kind of thing some bigwig "expert" who has no knowledge of Eve would think is a good idea according to the latest "market research".
That was an enormous fuckup, and it almost quite literally cost them everything.
That said, I am, for some reason I can't necessarily articulate, fairly confident that the simple lessons from this disaster have been learned, and we will see meaningful (optional) WiS content that adds to the overall game for everyone and adds a lot for those people who enjoy that kind of thing. I have no problem whatsoever with this, though I could happily play Eve forever without WiS personally. However, if a small amount of WiS content is so important to some people that we see a significant increase in subs, then I am happy to see some resources put towards achieving it for them. |
Eve Mione
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
5
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:20:00 -
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I find it interesting that as I checked out the E3 Virtual Sony Booth on Playstation Home last week waiting for the Dust servers. I came across the Dust booth/lounge. Guess what, this is exactly the WIS people wanted, people with people activities (minus the people with crazy costumes). It only had the work in progress game Slay that we saw like 2-3 years ago during the Ambulation demo (Old build). NPC bartender and recruiter. Giant windows looking out into space. This really should have come been out with the Incarna launch.
Despite the whole NEX store fiasco which should be completely removed and be replaced with BPC's for industry purposes and a much nicer price point than actually costing like a real shirt and half a pay cheque. Regardless what some people think on here, WIS has potential and people actually want it, I for one. It simply needs to be done correctly. |
Maelle LuzArdiden
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:39:00 -
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WiS would be cool, but we have to be realistic- implementing it so that it has meaningful gameplay is pretty much impossible.
Even though they seem to have hit a technical hurdle with the resource hogging engine, the real obstacle lies in game design.
I haven't read a single idea that would be both interesting and feasible.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
799
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:57:00 -
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There will come a point where people will look back and will claim that the consistent failure to deliver avatar based content is a key to understad the ultimate demise of EVE.
The reasons are complex and won't bother to write all that **** out; the key point would be that people don't ties bonds to ships. EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
781
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:00:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:There will come a point where people will look back and will claim that the consistent failure to deliver avatar based content is a key to understad the ultimate demise of EVE.
The reasons are complex and won't bother to write all that **** out; the key point would be that people don't ties bonds to ships. So you're basically ranting "DOOOOOM" now?
Just to be clear, you said this was supposed to be a "constructive" thread.
Also: You have clearly never commited acts of piracy in a Bhaalgorn or you wouldn't say stuff about forming ties to ships.
You also have clearly never figured out a unique fit for a Dominix. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
47
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:07:00 -
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Eve is dying because I didn't get my space barbie NOW NOW NOW.
What a ******* child. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
781
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:09:00 -
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SetrakDark wrote:Eve is dying because I didn't get my space barbie NOW NOW NOW.
What a ******* child. Why won't players learn that arguments cannot be made based on "I can't/won't/didn't explain myself, but this big thing will happen?" He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
47
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:12:00 -
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You see, the government is controlled by the mole people. I could try and explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
528
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:12:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:This is a spaceship game, not WiS Online.
Its a spaceship game with less people playing than 2 years ago.
They must be doing something right [sic].
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
301
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:15:00 -
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Vladimir Plinnikov wrote:Yes it did. I subbed because of Incarna. Try not to speak in generalizations
The exception merely proves the rule. People claimed for years that Incarna would bring hundreds of thousands of new players to EVE. This did not happen. Staying subscribed to EVE solely because of Incarna for more than one month after the launch of Incarna is lunacy. Incarna was awful and CCP is not improving it in any way for a long time. If you do anything other than log on to CQ, update skills and walk around CQ then you are subscribed for other reasons. |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
47
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:20:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:This is a spaceship game, not WiS Online. Its a spaceship game with less people playing than 2 years ago. They must be doing something right [sic].
A downturn unarguably caused by the release of Incarna, which we are only now recovering from after a steady supply of FiS fixes and content.
Talk about setting yourself up there... |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
723
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:20:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Vladimir Plinnikov wrote:Yes it did. I subbed because of Incarna. Try not to speak in generalizations The exception merely proves the rule. People claimed for years that Incarna would bring hundreds of thousands of new players to EVE. This did not happen. Staying subscribed to EVE solely because of Incarna for more than one month after the launch of Incarna is lunacy. Incarna was awful and CCP is not improving it in any way for a long time. If you do anything other than log on to CQ, update skills and walk around CQ then you are subscribed for other reasons.
I'll decide if I agree with the 'people' once we actually get Incarna. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
799
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:22:00 -
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SetrakDark wrote:Eve is dying because I didn't get my space barbie NOW NOW NOW.
What a ******* child.
I don't say that EVE is dying. I say that when it dies, the WiS fiasco will be a key point to understand why.
Everything is to pass. The Goons, for an instance, likely will be gone next year. That's not doomsaying, it's just an informed hunch. And i have a nasty habit about being right with my informed hunches. Unfortunately I can't control them so it's a pretty useless talent, but, a talent nonetheless... EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
723
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:32:00 -
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SetrakDark wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:This is a spaceship game, not WiS Online. Its a spaceship game with less people playing than 2 years ago. They must be doing something right [sic]. A downturn unarguably caused by the release of Incarna, which we are only now recovering from after a steady supply of FiS fixes and content. Talk about setting yourself up there...
'Release' is pushing it, I'm not sure where that shambles started and ended? At least they're sorting out the core game for now.
I'll be very happy if I can extend my game to exploring ancient tech. with all new industry & combat based on this tech. I'll be very sad if I get more clothes/vanity items for Aurum and a broken core game.
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