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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.10.05 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: MaxxOmega
1). What's to eat? Like is there a freezer full of space beasts to barbecue? And what about plain old water? 2). Where they can take a dump? Did the previous owners leave bum paper? 3). No showers or tampon dispensers either? In a week everyone will be nice and ripe, no space sex then...
Well, they had rations (powerbars, etc) that came through with them. As for the rest I can't believe you'd try to poke a plot-hole in a show by saying "what are they going to wipe their arse with, HA they never explained it!" and "OMG THEY HAS NO TAMPONS!11!" ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) __________________
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.05 15:03:00 -
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I wonder if the Ancients use the Three Sea Shells system!?
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Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin I wonder if the Ancients use the Three Sea Shells system!?
if they do, a bit of cursing and cussing in a public place should do the trick.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.05 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u Well if those doors were constructed anything like the doors in atlantis, they would be pretty easy to open because the ones in atlantis only took a single, or two people to open or close.
Ofcourse these are bigger but you have an army of useless people standing in the hall way and like I said all the pulleys and levers you will ever wish to have.
How about this idea, you take a decent sized metal plate and place it on the place where the shield is stopping the air from escaping, then find a way to secure it over the place where air was originally escaping, then drop the shield.
I mean these are suppose to be uber smart people here, they should come up with better ideas then"hey lets just throw people at it until it closes".
Doors: Except for the fact that the door in question that they couldnÆt get down was an airlock. Frankly if the ancients were stupid enough to build an airlock as easy to break into as their interior doors in a space ship city then ascension would have been just a tad bit out of their reach.
Furthermore, given that the ship is using FTL instead of using hyperspace and that its many galaxies away from the milky way and Pegasus galaxy im willing to bet that Destiny was launched a long time before the ancients reached the level of architecture featured in Atlantis.
Metal over gap: And what, hope that the metal bends enough to form a seal but at the same time not give away completely? That hole was on a curved corner (in fact, I donÆt think there were any right angles in that shuttle to begin with) so I doubt the idea of using a metal plate over the opening to hard vacuum would work.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.05 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: goodby4u Well if those doors were constructed anything like the doors in atlantis, they would be pretty easy to open because the ones in atlantis only took a single, or two people to open or close.
Ofcourse these are bigger but you have an army of useless people standing in the hall way and like I said all the pulleys and levers you will ever wish to have.
How about this idea, you take a decent sized metal plate and place it on the place where the shield is stopping the air from escaping, then find a way to secure it over the place where air was originally escaping, then drop the shield.
I mean these are suppose to be uber smart people here, they should come up with better ideas then"hey lets just throw people at it until it closes".
Doors: Except for the fact that the door in question that they couldnÆt get down was an airlock. Frankly if the ancients were stupid enough to build an airlock as easy to break into as their interior doors in a space ship city then ascension would have been just a tad bit out of their reach.
Furthermore, given that the ship is using FTL instead of using hyperspace and that its many galaxies away from the milky way and Pegasus galaxy im willing to bet that Destiny was launched a long time before the ancients reached the level of architecture featured in Atlantis.
Metal over gap: And what, hope that the metal bends enough to form a seal but at the same time not give away completely? That hole was on a curved corner (in fact, I donÆt think there were any right angles in that shuttle to begin with) so I doubt the idea of using a metal plate over the opening to hard vacuum would work.
Actually since atlantis was built to fly through space those doors were airlocks, especially because they used the same doors throughout the city including the outer doors.
No, as one of them said it was directly before ascension that they constructed it and thus it was to be more high tech then even atlantis.
If a trinium(or whatever building material they used)would fail under the weight of a vacuum then the glass they used would have aswell.
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Atomos Darksun
Randomness.
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Posted - 2009.10.05 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: goodby4u Well if those doors were constructed anything like the doors in atlantis, they would be pretty easy to open because the ones in atlantis only took a single, or two people to open or close.
Ofcourse these are bigger but you have an army of useless people standing in the hall way and like I said all the pulleys and levers you will ever wish to have.
How about this idea, you take a decent sized metal plate and place it on the place where the shield is stopping the air from escaping, then find a way to secure it over the place where air was originally escaping, then drop the shield.
I mean these are suppose to be uber smart people here, they should come up with better ideas then"hey lets just throw people at it until it closes".
Doors: Except for the fact that the door in question that they couldnÆt get down was an airlock. Frankly if the ancients were stupid enough to build an airlock as easy to break into as their interior doors in a space ship city then ascension would have been just a tad bit out of their reach.
Furthermore, given that the ship is using FTL instead of using hyperspace and that its many galaxies away from the milky way and Pegasus galaxy im willing to bet that Destiny was launched a long time before the ancients reached the level of architecture featured in Atlantis.
Metal over gap: And what, hope that the metal bends enough to form a seal but at the same time not give away completely? That hole was on a curved corner (in fact, I donÆt think there were any right angles in that shuttle to begin with) so I doubt the idea of using a metal plate over the opening to hard vacuum would work.
Actually since atlantis was built to fly through space those doors were airlocks, especially because they used the same doors throughout the city including the outer doors.
No, as one of them said it was directly before ascension that they constructed it and thus it was to be more high tech then even atlantis.
If a trinium(or whatever building material they used)would fail under the weight of a vacuum then the glass they used would have aswell.
No, actually, they stated in Atlantis several times that the city itself was NOT air tight. When in space, it always had to have the shield up. This was actually the major plot point of them raiding the Replicators for a ZPM, because they dropped out of hyperspace before they hit the planet and had a few hours before power went out and they all died due to asphyxiation/vacuum exposure.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.05 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
No, as one of them said it was directly before ascension that they constructed it and thus it was to be more high tech then even atlantis.
If a trinium(or whatever building material they used)would fail under the weight of a vacuum then the glass they used would have aswell.
I dont believe that was the exact wording or intent. When they look at the map they mention that the ship passed through pegasus, which if it was after Atlantis would make no sence to send a huge super advanced ship through enemy territory, giving the wraith a method of getting to the milky way galaxy. (so if anything, Destiny was used at least once to get the ancients to Pegasus and Atlantis merely followed).
I believe in either the first season in the first part of the cliff hanger its revealed that glass actually cant take the speeds of hyperspace and thus its some sort of transparent field (a Zat blast hit a view port on the bridge and Sam finds out that its not glass but something else, Teal'c confirms it) On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.10.05 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: goodby4u
No, as one of them said it was directly before ascension that they constructed it and thus it was to be more high tech then even atlantis.
If a trinium(or whatever building material they used)would fail under the weight of a vacuum then the glass they used would have aswell.
I dont believe that was the exact wording or intent. When they look at the map they mention that the ship passed through pegasus, which if it was after Atlantis would make no sence to send a huge super advanced ship through enemy territory, giving the wraith a method of getting to the milky way galaxy. (so if anything, Destiny was used at least once to get the ancients to Pegasus and Atlantis merely followed).
I believe in either the first season in the first part of the cliff hanger its revealed that glass actually cant take the speeds of hyperspace and thus its some sort of transparent field (a Zat blast hit a view port on the bridge and Sam finds out that its not glass but something else, Teal'c confirms it)
I honestly don't know, they simply said the ship was built for a bunch of ancients to live in but was forgotten when they ascended, so unless they say differently that is what they mean.
Well if this clear non glass was stronger then trinium(or whatever that uber building material is)then they would have used it for the hull of the ship aswell, so one may postulate that the metal within the ship is probably stronger then the non glass.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.10.05 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: small chimp on 05/10/2009 23:38:10 I liked it very much i think. Luckily it didn't had that annoying blonde woman that bsg had. It was so repulsive that i had to quit watching the serie after first episode!
But its only a premiere, lets see how it develops?
Also the glass can be stronger than the other building materials but it may be very expensive?
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.10.06 00:02:00 -
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I think the military personnel on that serie should immediately excecute all those backstabbers and mutineers and panicking civilians!
I am so happy because the core personnel were quite satisfactory and unannoying. And the doctor seemed like a good man!
I really hate annoying characters they just get me into epic rage and spoils the show for me!
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Wrong Indeed
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Posted - 2009.10.06 01:14:00 -
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Edited by: MaxxOmega on 06/10/2009 01:17:04
Originally by: nahtoh Sigh lets see if you where stuck in a space ship with failing life support what be your first priorty?
My first priority would be cable TV and the Internet so I could watch the newest episode of the current Stargate series. And maybe Sarah Conner Chronicles so I can stare at the Terminators milk recepticles!!!
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.10.06 03:27:00 -
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which one was supposed to be adama?
i watched it. Jack was in it so i figured.. what the hell.
I've seen worse premiers, i'll give it a chance.
We should be able to tell pretty soon if the writers actually have a story of their own to tell, or if the only direction they have for the show is 'dark and gritty!.. darker! ...grittyer!'
i loved bsg, i loved both the SG shows. I know i shouldn't expect too much so i'll proceed with cautious optimism. ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother*****r |
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.06 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp I think the military personnel on that serie should immediately excecute all those backstabbers and mutineers and panicking civilians!
I am so happy because the core personnel were quite satisfactory and unannoying. And the doctor seemed like a good man!
I really hate annoying characters they just get me into epic rage and spoils the show for me!
The military would've assumed command of the operation from the start, if they had been real, they'd also removed the headcase from active duty once again when out of the fight, for evaluation.
As for people panicking, they got nothing to do, asked to do nothing and getting too much free time to think. A good leader would assign them token missions just to keep them busy while the key personal worked on the essentials uninterrupted.
In short, the young officer is not fit to lead and neither is the older one from what I've seen so far. Lacking in good leadership will ensure they land themselves in a good deal of trouble ensuring an entertaining watch, if you can disregard idiocy.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2009.10.06 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 03/10/2009 18:51:08 It was a major disappointment. Metal drama and whining for 90 minutes. Uniteresting characters, no story, no science fiction and sheer boredom.
It's a serious letdown.
this for me aswell.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.06 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: small chimp I think the military personnel on that serie should immediately excecute all those backstabbers and mutineers and panicking civilians!
I am so happy because the core personnel were quite satisfactory and unannoying. And the doctor seemed like a good man!
I really hate annoying characters they just get me into epic rage and spoils the show for me!
The military would've assumed command of the operation from the start, if they had been real, they'd also removed the headcase from active duty once again when out of the fight, for evaluation.
As for people panicking, they got nothing to do, asked to do nothing and getting too much free time to think. A good leader would assign them token missions just to keep them busy while the key personal worked on the essentials uninterrupted.
In short, the young officer is not fit to lead and neither is the older one from what I've seen so far. Lacking in good leadership will ensure they land themselves in a good deal of trouble ensuring an entertaining watch, if you can disregard idiocy.
What sort of token missions would you send civilians on in a mammoth sized, dilapidated ancient space craft with failing life support and questionable power levels?
Personally id like to find out why the head case is a head case before writing him off. There have been many examples of behavior modification simply by being in a room in the Stargate universe (ie in SG-1, the light show fountain that made you suicidal if you left it for too long). Its entirely possible that he was exposed to something on the planet before the arrival of the Hammond for transport back to earth.
In regards to leadership, yeah. We so far have a doctor with questionable ethics essentially saying the guy that no one else can see or talk to has put him in charge, a junior officer and a senior one with a concussion. We also happen to have a civilian IDO or whatever they call themselves (the civilian oversight group) thatÆs going to try to push her position IÆm sure so it will be rather entertaining to see what happens in that regard. To be frank if they do some sort of "join hands and work togeather to survive blah blah blah federation bull**** blah blah" that will be the lethal injection for the show for me.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.06 20:20:00 -
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The obvious ones, checking the areas of the ship closest to the core while the military do the perimeter check. Setting up sleeping quarters and handing out written down ancient words to be looking for that may be of use.
A calm crew given a task to perform blows less oxygen than a hyperventilating panicky one also should you lose one or two in the process of finding a leak or something else that's of any use to the group then that's oxygen saved. ![Twisted Evil](/images/icon_twisted.gif)
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.10.07 06:31:00 -
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I just watched it and put a few things out there:
1) Props for renaming the ship the Hammond. A fitting tribute to a lost friend. 1b) Who knows how much the Goa'uld ships were upgraded. Maybe they were powerful enough to put a dent in the Hammond, since it was probably doing its best to shield the planet and tank as much damage as possible while they evac'd.
2) They're in a ship with limited O2 and a lot of CO2, which tends to make people not think optimally. Read "Into Thin Air" for some ideas about what oxygen-deprivation can do to even the most intelligent person.
3) As soon as I saw who was playing the Senator, don't know his name, I knew he wouldn't make it through the first show. But about his sacrifice being stupid, and they should have used a ball, it was mentioned that he was "dead on his feet" or some such. He had massive internal bleeding and no surgeon to stop it, just a field medic. He was a goner no matter what. So I thought it was a noble sacrifice, even if they telegraphed it.
4) Lots of BSG references, especially the sex scene.
5) Lots of good undeveloped stuff to flesh out in coming episodes, like the Colonel's seizures, which the medic apparently knows about and is hiding; what did Rush really do on Earth; will Math Boy get the daughter, etc.
6) I like that they have absolutely no control over the ship yet, but eventually will. That'll add something for the end of the first season.
7) It'll be a lot like the original ST - where they have planet episodes and ship ones (to save money). That can make for an interesting mix, and not just countdown episodes. Maybe that's like Voyager too, but I didn't see much of it until after Seven. And they don't have a holographic doctor to fall back on. The medic will have to learn how to be a doctor - with which the ship will almost certainly help
All-in-all, I wasn't disappointed and see a lot of potential. Now it's up to the writers and actors to make it worthwhile. I'll certainly be watching.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.07 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog I just watched it and put a few things out there:
1) Props for renaming the ship the Hammond. A fitting tribute to a lost friend.
The renaming happened at the end of Atlantis after Don Davis suffered a heart attack. As a mark of respect the writers stated the Gen. Hammond suffered a heart attack and that the Pentagon renamed the ship after him.
A fitting tribute though - I was sad to hear of his passing.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: F'nog I just watched it and put a few things out there:
1) Props for renaming the ship the Hammond. A fitting tribute to a lost friend.
The renaming happened at the end of Atlantis after Don Davis suffered a heart attack. As a mark of respect the writers stated the Gen. Hammond suffered a heart attack and that the Pentagon renamed the ship after him.
A fitting tribute though - I was sad to hear of his passing.
Great, I start a whole thread about spoilers from the SG:A finale leading into SG:U and nobody mentioned this. At least it didn't spoil anything important to SG:U.
Still, it's a great tribute to Don S. Davis.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.07 21:39:00 -
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Sorry to hear about Don Davis. I didn't know.
Now ... as to SG-U ...
1) I see it as a combo of Lost/BSG/ST:Voyager - which I don't consider a good thing.
2) I'm not impressed by plot devices based entirely on idiotic designs. The very idea that you wouldn't be able to close the door to that shuttle from the outside is absurd.
3) No one seems to have mentioned that if this ship had been in space for thousands of years with an air leak ... that it would have all been gone a long, long time ago - in some previous galaxy - far, far away, so that the first guy through the gate would have been in vacuum. If the writers are this stupid I don't really see good things ahead for this show. What was needed - was some action on the part of the new arrivals that caused the air leak - that would have obviated the need for the idiotic design in #2 above and could have provided some noble sacrifice situation more believable than what we got (if that's what they wanted to do).
4) Most of the cast are fine. It's to early to judge how the individual characters will work out.
5) Yes the stupid timer is undoubtedly going to play a major role in future episodes - and the predictability of that along with the idiocy of such timers is just lame.
6) For two hours of SciFi ... it wasn't that bad in and of itself, other than the already mentioned stupidity. The thing is ... (other than ST:TNG's opening ...) most series get a certain amount of benefit from the fact that the viewers don't know how stupid some of the resolutions the the questions raised in the series opener will be.
7) The idea that the attack on the planet they came from would blow it up was stupid. Anything that unstable would have blown up long before. But the idea that you required an energy source on a planetary scale would justify them not being able to get back home for the ... however many seasons ... the series is going to run. They just did that to justify not sending people home to avoid the blast of the planets destruction coming through the gate - and - so they'd have a neat special effect in the first episode.
All in all, the acting wasn't bad, the characters aren't bad and the ship is kind of neat - which allowed me to sit through the thing twice. But again ... some of the writing is pretty lame and I don't like where they're going with the Lost/Voyager track. But ... I'll probably watch it for a while as there isn't that much else on. I just hope there isn't a scheduling conflict with something I want to watch on the History Channel.
Now ... as to the BSG ending ... that was just stupid. They could easily have not been able to maintain their civilization as all the space ships and their other technology (which could have lasted a few years) eventually broke down without the high tech civilization that made it to maintain it. But just intentionally flying them off into the sun on some kind of lame ass idea about breaking the cycle was just idiotic. If you look at all those people who complained like hell every time something went wrong - the idea that they would willingly support sending off all their ships into the sun - would NOT have happened. That bunch of whining, self centered whimps who couldn't agree on anything else would NEVER have all agreed to do something like that. What that was - was glory mongering on the part of the writer. Trying to close the show with some grandiose statement - which - they showed didn't work anyway. "Gee, lets all have them all do something totally out of character - that is utterly idiotic and unbelievable - and show it all to have been nothing more than a futile gesture ..." Lame.
BSG had some great stuff in it, the acting, the special effects etc. But the basic story line was all about a bunch of morons squabbling with each other. It was kind of like "Survivor - In Space!" Lame. Utterly lame. If there had been anything better on ... I'd have given up on it completely.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.08 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk stuff[/qoute]
I want to say Don S. Davis died about a year or two ago. On his personal site (dont know if its still up) well before he died he had commented that he had left the show due to health concerns and that he wanted to pursue artistic works. I believe his funerial was attended by several SG1 cast members.
Anyway:
Point 3: The only thing I can think of is that the ship was operating on minimal life support. IE the ship is mostly a vacuum save the immediate areas that people would be in once they gated to the ship. As the survivors explored the ship (an understandable yet stupid move) the ship would naturally expand life support to more and more of the ship and thus start to put life support in areas where the hull was compromised.
Point 7: I suspect the attack on the planet has more to it and hopefully will be explored in later episodes. Based on Rushes smirk and tearful viewing of the photo of IÆm presuming to be his wife I suspect he had a hand in it. If you really watch Rush and how he is acting he really seems to be the only man with a plan that isnÆt about getting home.
BSG:
Perhaps the writers did think they could ride out on a high horse but I still believe that itÆs a logical assumption that humanity at that point was utterly sick of technology. As I have said before, history has shown time and again that technology used in a very negative way will be shirked away from. Spaceships, Cylons and what not are/were symbols of the ultimate expression of technology and that had resulted in humanity shrinking from a population of billions to that of a small town. As for if the majority of the population had a say, thatÆs up for debate though I would lean towards they either jumped at a chance to have grass under their feet for the first time in four years (without cylons hovering over them like on new caprica) or the captains of the ships all agreed with Adama and basically said ôyou can stay on the ship but we aint flying themö.
Another thought is that there may have been a real fear that Cavils forces still were out there (remember it was observed that base stars were seen coming and going from the colony but were absent at the battle). By removing obvious signs of advanced technology (ie ships) any surviving forces loyal to Cavil would have a hard time locating humanity if at all.
In the end though BSGÆs ending is one that you either love or hate.
On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod!
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Otto Durako
The Abyssmal Spire
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Posted - 2009.10.08 09:24:00 -
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To SG:U I havent watched the episode yet, so I will download it tonight.
To the BSG:
Yea the ending was sudden and unexpected....but what DID you expect? I mean, the BSG:OS came to an Earth and there we were...what does that give us? Now an explanation of our common ancestry...well it was said in the opening of the OS that "man began out there" so it only makes sense that they arrive on an Earth of our past. They tested the waters with the first "Earth"...which I am still fuzzy on.
Honestly had that of been me, I would have possibly of done the same, but save for some technologies...I don't know, medicine, irrigation, domestication. The fleet arrived to a what looked like the Neanderthal's...well that may explain why that population died out in time and homo-sapien species. Though through recent scientific release Midochondrial was not the first human type species, but she is the link...so the writers may have taken into consideration that it is still unknown exactly how man rose, so they rose man in their story.
And it is said in the mini-series by Doral that when the Cylon war started man looked backwards for technology...so in the end man looks further back, to no technology.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 08/10/2009 10:34:37 Well this is a SG:U thread so I don't want to get to involved in BSG but ... I stand by what I said and simply disagree that anything such as what was portrayed would have happened.
As to technology - technology isn't a choice. Living things are either growing or dying. Without technology we are dying as our numbers are unsustainable without it. Without technology life is crude, cruel and short. Anti-technology attitudes on the part of people who play computer games ... doesn't make a lot of sense.
The anti technology themes perpetuated by Hollywood are absurd. People being done in by their technology is not inevitable. Any society that is done in by it's technology is so stupid it deserves it. Look at nuclear weapons. We have the ability to wipe ourselves out right now - but have we done so? No.
One last thing on that air leak ... any sensible space ship design would not only have doors on it's shuttles that could be closed from the outside but partitions in it's passageways and ventilation systems which would prevent them from being used as conduits to an air leak should one part of the ships air tight doors fail. The very idea that the entire ship would be drained of air because of a leak in one part of it is an idiotic design.
As to any explanation why an air leak that could drain the ship of air wouldn't have already done so thousands of years before - I'm sure there are any number of things that could be made up - but they weren't mentioned in the show and are no more than lame explanations for a stupid plot device. Of course you see a lot of that - the use of a stupid plot device and then various lame explanations of it to try and save a bad idea. Of course ... with the writers of a show ... once they've done something stupid and broadcast it ... they're kind of stuck with their original mistake.
Now - what they could have done - was have the new arrivals opening hatches that would not subsequently close because of their age and then continue to do so as they progressed through the ship. That - would have allowed such a situation to occur - as I said before - where actions of the new arrivals caused the problem. That however was not what was done.
Here - there is stupidity - but it is stupidity on the part of the characters rather than the writers.
The problem you have is that a lot of Hollywood writers are technically ignorant - so - they substitute bad writing. If they are writing for some social relationship show - then their technical ignorance doesn't matter - but - if they are writing for a Sci Fi show - then it does. Note the presence of the term "Science" in Sci Fi ...
Of course ... this does raise one of the fundamental problems of Science Fiction in any form - which is that good Science Fiction requires an intelligent audience - and most of the worlds population is not all that intelligent - soooo - they take supposedly Sci Fi shows (such as BSG) and turn them into personal relationship shows - to get more people to watch. You can have Sci Fi shows that contain personal relationships but that means the writers have to be good at writing both types.
Science Fiction will always be niche entertainment because there simply isn't a large enough percentage of the audience to appreciate it. The only reason we have as much Sci Fi entertainment as we do - is that even though it is a small percentage of the population - in absolute terms, the numbers of people able to appreciate Sci Fi are large enough to support it.
*shrug*
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Stuff.
BSG Tech stuff: Humanity got along just fine without modern technology for longer then weÆve had it.
Looking back though I should reconsider what I said as all we know is that they simply abandoned their ships. Remember towards the end Adama takes a dying Roslin into a Raptor and flys around showing her the new planet moments before she passes on. Further more the human cylons that sided with humanity said that they were going to aid humanity in any way they could until God called them home (ie until they died) so it is likely that (if not obvious) that they did in fact keep certain technologies (IÆm sure the doctor would have gone ape**** if he wasnÆt allowed to take the medicines) but abandoned the more larger pieces, such as likely Vipers, the ships, etc.
Sci-fi genre stuff: I dont think Sci-Fi has to be all that technical to be a success. Science Fiction is really just Fiction with primary elements typically associated with science (robots, space ships, energy blades, laser guns, etc) which is why often times shows that fall under the science fiction genre are more or less based on the near future or future. The primary focus isnÆt the science itself but more or less how humanity carries itself in a world where technology X, Y and Z exist.
For an example, Blade Runner, often considered a must see Sci-Fi movie is really just a detective story that, if it werenÆt for the futuristic depictions could be set in any time.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 08:59:00 -
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Just watched it last night and I like it. I hope they dont get into the old random weekly happenings that are forgotted the next week and only remembered in a clip show...
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Posted - 2009.10.09 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 09/10/2009 13:55:54 I call dibs on the SG:U 'team'? finding a planet populated by dinosaur like creatures!
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Posted - 2009.10.10 04:02:00 -
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*Spoilers*
So anyone catch the second episode? From what I understand this was technically still part of the primier (was its third part). Didnt really contribute to anything more other than showing that the time limit isnt a deadline (Sticking your hand in the wormhole to keep the gate open seemed to stop the ship from going into FTL). Those two people going off onto another planet wasnt resolved so I imagine they'll either be found later (alive or dead) or are just writen off.
The lack of a DHD console and the planet bound gates relying on a remote control is rather interesting. In the previous two shows the gates typically had religous significance attached to them and allowed even primitive civilizations to go from planet to planet but in this show I wonder what role the gates will play for the races the teams encounter. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
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Posted - 2009.10.10 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei *Spoilers*
So anyone catch the second episode? From what I understand this was technically still part of the primier (was its third part). Didnt really contribute to anything more other than showing that the time limit isnt a deadline (Sticking your hand in the wormhole to keep the gate open seemed to stop the ship from going into FTL). Those two people going off onto another planet wasnt resolved so I imagine they'll either be found later (alive or dead) or are just writen off.
The lack of a DHD console and the planet bound gates relying on a remote control is rather interesting. In the previous two shows the gates typically had religous significance attached to them and allowed even primitive civilizations to go from planet to planet but in this show I wonder what role the gates will play for the races the teams encounter.
I called it. Last second OMG ITS GONNA LEAVE WITHOUT US event has already happened and they made it back within seconds of being left behind. Though it is interesting to know that the timer can be slightly delayed (does that 32 minute rule still come into play if something is "wedged" in the stargate?) some what and give a small extension. I'm sure this will be abused at least a few more times as the show progresses. They might even invent a "wedge" device which is actually a 2x4 piece of wood. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The swirly wind life form was kinda neat. Theres just one thing thats bothering me. Why the hell haven't they used the mind transfer stone thingy to get Carter there to fix everything in 5 minutes yet? ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif) -
Originally by: Rilwar If you want to nag on warp speed, how about the question of "Why does my Crow manage to go 9.5AU/s for 2 seconds during a 9AU jump?"
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Posted - 2009.10.10 13:42:00 -
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I liked it.
I am a little disapointed they gave away what the ship looked like. That could have been a good storyline.
G.
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Posted - 2009.10.10 16:14:00 -
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God that was boring. What a boring episode, yet more whining on how she lost her Dad, and OH NO her mother is a personal friend of the president, and she's threatening to go public? Come on, why are these people being told?
It's like the second worst kept secret next to Area 51.
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