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lordjanuss
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Posted - 2009.10.04 12:03:00 -
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Hello all I have been playing EVE for just 4 months and are closing to 4mill skill points. I just now fly Myrm. and I am very pleased with the ship but I will soon move up to fly Hyperion. I dont want to fly BS before I have learned the basic in the game. I now have done some lv missions and are doing fine..... I thought, on one mission I had to travel to low sec 0.3 , I was doing fine and about to finish the mission, then suddenly 5 red dots appear hmmm I thought I must have trigger some more AI pirates and was preparing to finish them off, was I wrong. 4 of them came very close 1000 - 3000 m and one was out 20km. I was not abel to lock on anyone and could not fire, and there was this red flaming around me, could I be in heaven, ups think not my shield went down very fast, then it became clear for me that this was real pirates. But I was in a jam, could not warp, could not fire and my drones just did nothing.
Then I was thold to shut of any modules in the ship and call in the drones, they have now begun to eat on my structure, I said what any normal person would say ... Fuc... off and then my ship whent boom... and then new ransom and again I said Fuc... off so I wake up in my base only with a scratch in my pride.
Now some questions, how to be more prepeared next time:
main caracter : Gallente will foucus on flying BS sec caracter : caldari protection (stealth bomber or electronic warfeare, or rokh) third caracter : Amarr mining (HULK) (thinking about going for mothership later)
Main caracter Gallente : 1. should I use medium drones or heavy, how to get them to work in a battle as I described? 2. what weapons to fit Blaster or railguns? 3. smartbombs any good? 4. what is a must to have on the ship (Hyperion)?
sec caracter Caldari : 1. what ship is the best to protect main caracter (stealth bomber or rokh or electronic warfare ship? 2. what to fit on the preffered ship?
third caracter : 1. I now have a HULK to get some income , but when I am finish with the mining skills I was thinking about going for a mothership. ( I am thinking long term) 2. is there a ship on the way to mothership that also can become a protection against pirates?
This was many questions, but I do hope some could help me out. I am 42 year old player and will be looking for a corp as soon I am ready and have reach 5mill Skill points. But I would like to be able to protect myself. I am not tinking of a possibility to kill all the 5 pirates that attacked me , but I would like to be able to take 1 or 2 with me in my downfall. Then I would have fought back some.
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DaDutchDude
Minmatar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.04 12:34:00 -
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If you want to PVE, the best way to deal with pirates is to avoid them, either by staying out of low sec, or always being on the lookout for people in local and for people trying to probe you out.
Fitting in the end can help you stay alive longer or be more dangerous, but your PVE ship will pretty much always be ineffective against well fitted and well flown PVP ships. And don't think a bigger ship with help you, because it actually puts you at more risk. The bigger a ship is, the slower it will turn, which means that you'll have less time to react.
I think you'd really benefit from the Agony Unleashed PVP Basic class to understand PVP concepts better, both offensively and defensively, so check out our website if you're interested. _____________________________________
Agony Unleashed (home of PVP University)
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.04 12:39:00 -
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Well, I think you have the wrong idea here. First of all, pay the ransom. I am a pirate myself and professional pirates in game will honor a ransom and it's typically in your mutual interest if you pay (ship loss costs more for you). Anyways, actually killing the pirates isn't likely to happen for someone as inexperienced as you. The reason is simple, pirates must turn a profit off of pvp in order to be considered pirates. That means they won't attack unless they smell an easy kill. In your case that was 4 vs you with one of them using ECM so you couldn't even shoot back. This is excessive and I don't use such brute force tactics but I have my own bag of tricks that are just as effective.
Your best bet to stay alive is to avoid getting caught in the first place. There are a variety of ways to do this and I'll give a brief rundown of the basic ones for you. The first is simply paying attention to your surroundings. This involves using the directional scanner to monitor ships in your area that are off grid, watch for combat scanner probes and anything else that may indicate hostile activity (corpses, player ship wrecks and so on). The next thing is being prepared to flee in an instant. The best way is to stay warp aligned at full speed to a random astro object at all times. This is often not possible and when it isn't, you should move atleast 30km away from the warp in point in any gated mission.
The reason for moving so far away from the warp in is because t2 warp disruptors have a standard range of 24km and 28km overheated. So if you are 30km away you should have a few precious seconds to hit the warp button and get out before they are in range. An afterburner is very handy here. It also pays to complete the mission as quickly as possible. It takes a couple minutes to probe out a ship typically so if you can complete the mission in that time, you run very little risk of getting caught. Blitzing is the name of the game in low sec.
As for actually taking down a pirate, the key is to present a fight that appears to be in their favor but really isn't. The most common way is a hidden fleet the next system over but that's a really cheap trick and most pirates will see it coming a mile away thanks to scouts. I recommend a bit of creativity. There are many tricks you can hide in a myrmidon like neuts, ECM drones and so on. It's one of the most versatile ships in the game. But such tricks will only work 1v1 or maybe 2v1 if you really know your stuff. -----------------------------------------------------
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Quattre
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Posted - 2009.10.04 13:21:00 -
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lordjanuss
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Posted - 2009.10.04 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: lordjanuss on 04/10/2009 13:46:13 Thanks for the fast response to my questions, it was very interesting reading,ECM drones did not think of that. and yes I will soon apply for a corp but since I have some wife aggro I cant be online every day. But will focus on mining and PVE and missions and I learn fast.
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DaDutchDude
Minmatar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.04 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Quattre .
You have a point? _____________________________________
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W0wbagger
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Posted - 2009.10.04 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: W0wbagger on 04/10/2009 19:48:23 Confirming if you stay more than 28k from the mission warp in you are completely safe from pirates :-p
...especially the ones that use gallente recons
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2009.10.04 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: W0wbagger Edited by: W0wbagger on 04/10/2009 19:48:23 Confirming if you stay more than 28k from the mission warp in you are completely safe from pirates :-p
...especially the ones that use gallente recons
and you can totally warp before my Crusder gets on top of you!
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.10.04 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: lordjanuss
Then I was thold to shut of any modules in the ship and call in the drones, they have now begun to eat on my structure, I said what any normal person would say ... Fuc... off and then my ship whent boom... and then new ransom and again I said Fuc... off so I wake up in my base only with a scratch in my pride.
Serves you right tbh, hope you had expensive implants. Learn to be polite and maybe the pirates would teach you how NOT to die
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Sub Prime
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Posted - 2009.10.04 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: lollerwaffle
Originally by: lordjanuss
Then I was thold to shut of any modules in the ship and call in the drones, they have now begun to eat on my structure, I said what any normal person would say ... Fuc... off and then my ship whent boom... and then new ransom and again I said Fuc... off so I wake up in my base only with a scratch in my pride.
Serves you right tbh, hope you had expensive implants. Learn to be polite and maybe the pirates would teach you how NOT to die
Fair point to a certain extent though. Look at the evidence - 4 ships coming in and creaming - simple as that. If I was the target I would say a big FU, because it was a cowardly mass overkill. Why should I (being the OP) promote (by paying ISK to) weak c*nts when they can't even be bothered to make it a 1v1 or 2v1. Honestly, f*ck the w*nkers that think they're 'pirates' and deserve ISK by ganking.
Lessons of the story:
a) Don't do missions in low-sec. b) a) c) a) d) Get satisfaction by joining a corp that will teach you pvp and then go get the cowards back.
Any decent pirate would have taken you out with 1 maybe 2 ships (i.e. max reward with minimal split). The cowardly c*nts that destroyed your ship and your pod were basically scavengers.
There are other recommendations:
a) Change the name of your ship from default (aka. don't have your name in the ship's name) b) Checking every person in local and looking at their concord standing.
When it comes down to the crunch, you're new and flying a BC. Anyone will know you will most likely have sub-optimal skills to fly the ship and are therefore easy prey.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.10.04 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sub Prime Fair point to a certain extent though. Look at the evidence - 4 ships coming in and creaming - simple as that. If I was the target I would say a big FU, because it was a cowardly mass overkill. Why should I (being the OP) promote (by paying ISK to) weak c*nts when they can't even be bothered to make it a 1v1 or 2v1. Honestly, f*ck the w*nkers that think they're 'pirates' and deserve ISK by ganking.
'coward' lololololololololololololololololololololololololol Why should they accomodate you when they are blowing up your ship to make isk?
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Sub Prime
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Posted - 2009.10.04 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: lollerwaffle
Originally by: Sub Prime Fair point to a certain extent though. Look at the evidence - 4 ships coming in and creaming - simple as that. If I was the target I would say a big FU, because it was a cowardly mass overkill. Why should I (being the OP) promote (by paying ISK to) weak c*nts when they can't even be bothered to make it a 1v1 or 2v1. Honestly, f*ck the w*nkers that think they're 'pirates' and deserve ISK by ganking.
'coward' lololololololololololololololololololololololololol Why should they accomodate you when they are blowing up your ship to make isk?
Wow, congratulations on quoting just what you wanted! Did you read this part:
"Any decent pirate would have taken you out with 1 maybe 2 ships (i.e. max reward with minimal split). The cowardly c*nts that destroyed your ship and your pod were basically scavengers."
Any selfrespecting pirate would do the job without excess force to maximise the profit. Therefore the 'pirates' in this case were cowardly mofo's. Deal with it.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.10.04 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sub Prime Wow, congratulations on quoting just what you wanted! Did you read this part:
"Any decent pirate would have taken you out with 1 maybe 2 ships (i.e. max reward with minimal split). The cowardly c*nts that destroyed your ship and your pod were basically scavengers."
Any selfrespecting pirate would do the job without excess force to maximise the profit. Therefore the 'pirates' in this case were cowardly mofo's. Deal with it.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Keep going, this is funny. Don't forget that they are also 'scum' and live in their mother's basement.
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Sub Prime
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Posted - 2009.10.05 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: lollerwaffle
Originally by: Sub Prime Wow, congratulations on quoting just what you wanted! Did you read this part:
"Any decent pirate would have taken you out with 1 maybe 2 ships (i.e. max reward with minimal split). The cowardly c*nts that destroyed your ship and your pod were basically scavengers."
Any selfrespecting pirate would do the job without excess force to maximise the profit. Therefore the 'pirates' in this case were cowardly mofo's. Deal with it.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Keep going, this is funny. Don't forget that they are also 'scum' and live in their mother's basement.
Can't remember saying any of that tbh!
I'll make it simple - just for you - and explain it in the following points:
a) People are more likely to pay a ransom if they feel they had at least 'some' chance - albeit even minimal. b) People are more likely to take the ISK loss (ships and potential module) against overkill scenarios. c) People do have respect for decent pirates and realise it's part of the game. d) People don't have respect for 'wannabe' pirates that overkill and are more likely to take the ransom and still kill/pod their target. e) The less 'pirates' involved in an encounter means more potential profit for each pirate. f) True pirates NEED to earn money to fund their losses. They also get a pvp buzz from winning decent encounters. g) People that get a buzz from blobbing targets are basically worth diddly squat.
4v1 against a 4 month old character in a BC is basically cowardice to the nth degree. I actually feel sorry for the real pirates in low sec as it's becoming harder and harder for them to get decent income. They play a major part in EVE life and anything (like blobbing wannabes) that reduces their potential income source is going to affect their part in EVE.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.05 00:42:00 -
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NEVER PAY THE RANSOM
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.10.05 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sub Prime Can't remember saying any of that tbh!
I'll make it simple - just for you - and explain it in the following points:
a) People are more likely to pay a ransom if they feel they had at least 'some' chance - albeit even minimal. b) People are more likely to take the ISK loss (ships and potential module) against overkill scenarios. c) People do have respect for decent pirates and realise it's part of the game. d) People don't have respect for 'wannabe' pirates that overkill and are more likely to take the ransom and still kill/pod their target. e) The less 'pirates' involved in an encounter means more potential profit for each pirate. f) True pirates NEED to earn money to fund their losses. They also get a pvp buzz from winning decent encounters. g) People that get a buzz from blobbing targets are basically worth diddly squat.
4v1 against a 4 month old character in a BC is basically cowardice to the nth degree. I actually feel sorry for the real pirates in low sec as it's becoming harder and harder for them to get decent income. They play a major part in EVE life and anything (like blobbing wannabes) that reduces their potential income source is going to affect their part in EVE.
Awww you were doing so well with the name calling and "I'll censor out 1 letter so it's not so rude but people will know I'm cussing at them" bit. I'm quite disappointed with the now well thought out post. Don't let that stop you though, carry on in your earlier vein please.
To address your post: a) People pay, or they don't. I'm less likely to ask for a ransom if the fight was close, more likely to pop the other person and just give him a 'gf' in local while attempting to catch and ransom the pod. b) Pay up, or don't. For me, it's either some minimal amounts of isk, or a nice explosion and a killmail. Either way I still have my ship plus whatever mods survived, ergo I'm in a better position than before while the other guy worse off (however slight). c) This I know, yet in some cases the same people who claim to respect 'real pirates' can also resort to multiple instances of name-calling d) I don't really care if the other person 'respects' me or not, I don't play a game to seek to the respect of some guy I'll probably never see again (ingame or IRL). Somehow you equate overkill with not honouring ransoms. e) That is true, but only if the number of people you encouter daily is fairly limited. Ensuring you can take on almost all possible targets you encounter while still turning a profit means that overall gain would be more, with decreased risk. f) Fact, can't really be disputed unlike opinions. g) Fact. However, in some cases, like gatecamping for example, it's more about grinding ships instead of missions for income. No one claims to have a 'buzz' when it's 5-10ships camping a gate for traffic.
Personally I don't really care about whether pirates blob or not, everyone does it from time to time. I prefer explosions anyway and rather ransom pods than ships. I just found it funny that you seem to have this romanticized picture of pirates, and anyone breaking from that is automatically a 'cowardly mofo/c*nt'. Some pirates honor ransoms, some don't. Some pirates prefer bringing just enough to kill a target, some prefer playing it safe. After all the definition of piracy is profit through destruction or threat of destruction of someone else's property (whatever, wiki it if you want something mroe accurate), and some people may think that the profit bit is less likely if the victim actually has a chance to win.
Whatever, ignore my post tbh just finding it funny and amusing is all. Carry on.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.05 09:56:00 -
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1) A significant percentage of pirates don't honor the ransom. So it's kind of gambling - and with a self declared "criminal" - on their honesty.
2) He came with such an overhelming force that he showed to be a wuss. Wussies are not reliable to pay ransoms to. He'll be just as dishonorable and take the money and still pod you. - Auditing and consulting
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Kaileen Starsong
Amarr Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.05 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sub Prime Fair point to a certain extent though. Look at the evidence - 4 ships coming in and creaming - simple as that. If I was the target I would say a big FU, because it was a cowardly mass overkill. Why should I (being the OP) promote (by paying ISK to) weak c*nts when they can't even be bothered to make it a 1v1 or 2v1. Honestly, f*ck the w*nkers that think they're 'pirates' and deserve ISK by ganking.
I wouldn't tell half or more of the gang just to kindly wait for a 1v1 to happen, especially if outcome sort of predetermined. One would either ignore that poor single BC or gank it and move on looking for an actual fight, tbh(or do that 1v1 in case it could bring more of target's friends to "help" him).
@OP:
I'd just like to say that jumping into Hype at 4th month could be really bad idea, it won't make any difference in such case(a single properly fit would murder it anyway) - hence only do that if you're sure of not losing those often.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente The Rise of The Dragon Knights Void Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.05 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane NEVER PAY THE RANSOM
This. Also, don't get mad, but get a PVP gang together and get even --- Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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Fastbikkel
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2009.10.05 10:48:00 -
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Take a smaller ship than a myrmidon at first, myrmidon is kinda expensive if you keep losing it. SOunds like you need more experience, which will come easily by just hunting for pirates.
Pirates nowadays are nothing compared to the pirates from the old days, so there is a big plus.
Never pay ransom, i rather lose my ship than paying some money to anyone.
If pirates camp nowadays, its usually in big ships. I rarely see pirates near gates in frigs or such, simply because the sentries will destroy them easily.
The key is to stay sharp and agile. If you fly anything from battlecruiser and up, you are slow to get away. I have broken trough camps often in my drake though, because they (pirates) were either sleeping at the gate, or didnt know how to engage me.
Keep in mind all the risks of pvp, what can i do if i get tackled. What can i do when i get neuted. Prepare for any kind of scenario and if you cannot, make sure you are fast.
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Stickletodd
Amarr Industrial Mining and Construction
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Posted - 2009.10.05 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Stickletodd on 05/10/2009 17:08:33
Quote: "Any decent pirate . . . "
This is oxymoronic. There is no such thing as a "decent pirate." A pirate is a player that is trying to steal something from you and then wants to pod you. There is nothing "decent" about it. Stop lying and tell it like it is. Pirates will always try to overpower the weak because it is easy. Simple fact. If it were hard, they wouldn't do it. They are, essentially, lazy.
Best way to combat them is to deny them what they want...ie: you and your ship. Don't go into low/null sec. Don't pay them a ransom. And don't speak to them. It is best to ignore them. They are too afraid to fight you, so they will try to overpower you. If you really want to destroy them, get into a corp and learn PvP then take a fleet after them...but usually they just run away like the little girls they are but, if you get find their corp, you can wardec it and deny them any entrance into high sec.
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.06 11:56:00 -
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Piracy has changed very little in the past year. It was mostly blobbing a year ago and it still is. I mostly solo these days but I started out with the 5-10 man gate camp so typical of high/low sec borders. It is a starting point for rookie pvp'ers. I don't respect the method or those who use it. But it is effective and allows you to learn how to pvp and still turn a profit along the way.
Make no mistake, pirates have always been pvp'ing to fund pvp. This often entails going for easy kills whenever possible. That said most of us after a while figure out that eve is just a game and so it's better to have a fun fight than a profitable one. My most recent drake kill was a prime example, the km doesn't show it, but prior to wasting him with the abaddon I fought him 1v1 3 times with my harbinger. He lost those fights and only survived thanks to ECM drones. The only reason I dropped the abaddon on him was so I could finally score that finishing blow and loot his wreck, thus covering the cost of the last 3 fight's repair bills. -----------------------------------------------------
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Schwa88
7th Division
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Posted - 2009.10.06 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Schwa88 on 06/10/2009 14:20:20 Did anyone even bother to check out the killmail? Root cause: failfit
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.07 01:31:00 -
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Failfit and poor reaction was assumed I believe. -----------------------------------------------------
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Bablu Hassan
Minmatar Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.10.07 01:48:00 -
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Fit an entire T2 rack of mini pirates in your highslots. Mini pirates are more potent than regular pirates.
Dont forget to overheat your minis.
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:33:00 -
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Clearly those guys who ganked you in low sec were criminal scum. You did the right thing telling them to F off, and not trying to haggle for a reasonable ransom.
Make sure to fly your Hyperion back into low sec again once you have it. Those pirates will crap themselves when they see it, and flee in sheer terror!
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Avan Sercedos
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Novantco Clearly those guys who ganked you in low sec were criminal scum. You did the right thing telling them to F off, and not trying to haggle for a reasonable ransom.
Make sure to fly your Hyperion back into low sec again once you have it. Those pirates will crap themselves when they see it, and flee in sheer terror!
STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM
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inVictu5
Caldari Black Rise Insurgents
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bablu Hassan Fit an entire T2 rack of mini pirates in your highslots. Mini pirates are more potent than regular pirates.
Dont forget to overheat your minis.
this guy nailed it
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Patyrn Runner
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Posted - 2009.10.07 19:01:00 -
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I've heard you can almost always avoid getting podded in low sec.
Just select a warp target before your ship dies, and just before you die start spamming on the warp button. You will usually start warping before the pirates have a chance to lock and jam your pod.
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Avan Sercedos
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.10.08 03:13:00 -
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Edited by: Avan Sercedos on 08/10/2009 03:15:18 Also, I'd like to say, there were five pirates, not four. Five.
Also, I'd like to say, reading comprehension failure. Failure.
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