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Lord Bentley
The Syndicates
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Posted - 2009.10.05 01:51:00 -
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Dear Readers,
Quite some time back before trinity we saw images of dx10 ships, those images were awesom! So where the hell is the dx10 stuff? I'm starting to suspect that they will wait untill dx11 is out and upgrade to that. Has there been any news about dx10?
Thank you Respectfully,
Lord Bentley The Syndicates
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.10.05 02:12:00 -
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I think they said the overwhelming majority of eve players use xp so upgrading the client to dx10 would have been pointless. Now if win7 takes off and the majority of eve players upgrade from xp they might do it then.
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Shirei Fenikkusu
Knights of the Eternal Flame
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Posted - 2009.10.05 02:17:00 -
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No news that I am aware of.
The only images I remember were those of the switch from DirectX 8 to DirectX 9, which I think they did with Revelation.
Apocrypha was their latest Graphics Engine patch, I doubt they will be doing another one anytime soon. (Ambulation maybe.)
It is unlikely that they will use DirectX 11 for at least a couple of years. Tons of testing and coding, and waiting for users to get DirectX 11 compatible GFX cards.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.05 02:31:00 -
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DX 10 is buggy on 7...at least from my experience. Just an FYI.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Cheesestick Charlie
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Posted - 2009.10.05 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Cheesestick Charlie on 05/10/2009 02:44:01
Originally by: Shirei Fenikkusu Edited by: Shirei Fenikkusu on 05/10/2009 02:22:42 No news that I am aware of.
The only images I remember were those of the switch from DirectX 8 to DirectX 9, which I think they did with Revelation.
Apocrypha was their latest Graphics Engine patch, I doubt they will be doing another one anytime soon. (Ambulation maybe.)
It is unlikely that they will use DirectX 11 for at least a couple of years. Tons of testing and coding, and waiting for users to get DirectX 11 compatible GFX cards.
Edit: I still can't understand peoples reluctance to just upgrade already. There was never any problem with performance on Windows Vista, just people who didn't know a thing about how to set it up. I was able to run Vista on a budget Dell made in 2001 with 256MB of memory and I still had all the bells and whistles. It also had better FPS in games that I got in XP.
I've had pretty much the same experience with 7. I <3 it. Hated Vista, I guess I just didn't know how to set it up.
Edit: OH GOD OP'S SIG!!
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Cadde
Gallente FireworX
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Posted - 2009.10.05 02:59:00 -
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As far as I know, DX10 can be made to work under XP. Either that or running that DXalternative I've heard about somewhere.
And DX11 is said to be what game developers really wanna work with because it actually brings something useful to the table as opposed to DX10 which was a complete rewrite but very little added that would make game developers go: "WOO! That, we need!"
And finally, i am really starting to dislike the whole DirectX deal, there are other more open ended solutions in the making. OpenGL has been around for a long time and more and more developers are starting to see the strength in using something that allow them to actually contribute/add stuff without being part of the MEGA GAME CORPS who normally control what DirectX does. But then again, i could be wrong in my beliefs and i base my statements off random articles and statements on teh interwebz.
Either way, now that CCP announced their "Excellence" drive. They would do good by looking into their engines core functionality once more while at the same time try and do something about the stupidness of the GUI. For starters, do something about the GUI becoming unresponsive when you move stuff around in the database. Let the GUI show you what it's got, block the actions that are not available (scanner timer anyone?) and under no circumstances should it lag/stutter just because it's waiting on the server/database.
There are many, many more things that CCP can do with it's engine. Not only the GUI but even the renderer could do with a little refining. Sometimes when i look at certain stuff in eve it screams of pre-millennium graphics. Even in such a beautiful engine such as eve there are still certain elements that need an update to keep it, as they say, on the cutting edge!
So this was a thread about DX10, i took it one step further... Sorry!
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.05 03:05:00 -
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when i find something more stable than xp ill upgrade. --------------------------
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.05 03:07:00 -
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Vista IS more stable than Xp. Just to much bells and whistles with an inherently bad way to personalize your system.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.05 03:11:00 -
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Yea, I don't know what DX10 shots anyone has seen. More than likely you just saw shots that you thought were DX10 for some reason.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.10.05 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk when i find something more stable than xp ill upgrade.
Should stop taking advice from Macintosh. Been using Vista since the first month and the only problems it ever had were due to the video card not being as Vista ready as it claimed, which was fixed in a driver update.
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Quaristice
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Posted - 2009.10.05 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk when i find something more stable than xp ill upgrade.
What Wasp and Professor said....time to jump off that bandwagon...it ran out of gas a long time ago. I've been using Vista for about 2 years now and I havent had a SINGLE problem with it. Its actually been more stable than my XP machine. No problems with my vid card or running any games. UT3, Doom3, HL2, EVE, etc. all run slick as snot on my Vista machine. I havent had a single bsod in the 2 years I've had it, no freeze-ups, restarts, nothing.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.05 03:36:00 -
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Plenty of people don't have problems with Vista. Plenty of people also don't get cancer from smoking. Doesn't really mean much.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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wickedpheonix
Caldari Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2009.10.05 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cadde As far as I know, DX10 can be made to work under XP. Either that or running that DXalternative I've heard about somewhere.
Are you referring to how people got pseudo-DX10 to work for Crysis in XP? That's because 90% of DX10 was taking stuff that was really hard to create under DX9 and making it just a few lines of code.
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illford baker
Pilots of Damnation death from above..
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Posted - 2009.10.05 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: illford baker on 05/10/2009 04:13:56 some people have old computers because they are too poor to pay for a new one (why are they playing even then?). so us people who have good computers have to suffer. solution? go back to 2 clients. or just move to DX10. cut people with old computers off of eve, they can afford new computers then they come back to eve! and move to windows 7, much more stable, faster and better than vista (trust me, i am using it now). $100 with free shipping here
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wickedpheonix
Caldari Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2009.10.05 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: illford baker Edited by: illford baker on 05/10/2009 04:13:56 some people have old computers because they are too poor to pay for a new one (why are they playing even then?). so us people who have good computers have to suffer. solution? go back to 2 clients. or just move to DX10. cut people with old computers off of eve, they can afford new computers then they come back to eve! and move to windows 7, much more stable, faster and better than vista (trust me, i am using it now). $100 with free shipping here
Oh would you look at that, 100,000 accounts were canceled in the last 24 hours due to "inability to run the client."
How will CCP be able to feed the server hamsters?! THINK OF JITA!!!
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illford baker
Pilots of Damnation death from above..
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Posted - 2009.10.05 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: wickedpheonix
Oh would you look at that, 100,000 accounts were canceled in the last 24 hours due to "inability to run the client."
How will CCP be able to feed the server hamsters?! THINK OF JITA!!!
well, with 100K less people, there will less people in jita so we will need less hamsters /logic and they will come back when they get a new OS, then they get to look at the pretty colors. plus, i would like to see this survey of OSes people use. better yet, a new survey! get on it CCP, i doubt 100K people use XP. or, 2 clients! CCP already supports a mac(boo) and linux(better than mac) client, whats one more windows client?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.10.05 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: illford baker
Originally by: wickedpheonix
Oh would you look at that, 100,000 accounts were canceled in the last 24 hours due to "inability to run the client."
How will CCP be able to feed the server hamsters?! THINK OF JITA!!!
well, with 100K less people, there will less people in jita so we will need less hamsters /logic and they will come back when they get a new OS, then they get to look at the pretty colors. plus, i would like to see this survey of OSes people use. better yet, a new survey! get on it CCP, i doubt 100K people use XP. or, 2 clients! CCP already supports a mac(boo) and linux(better than mac) client, whats one more windows client?
Teh "survey" people use. Scroll down to the bottom for the chart.
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Shirei Fenikkusu
Knights of the Eternal Flame
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Posted - 2009.10.05 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: illford baker some people have old computers because they are too poor to pay for a new one (why are they playing even then?)
Very understandable that some people just can't afford to upgrade to Vista or a computer vista capable, but also a very good point in why or how are these people playing Eve then?
To clear up what I meant by "configuring it properly", I meant configuration concerning Aero, the sidebar, and the paging file. Don't use Aero unless you have a good graphics card, increase the paging file so that your system memory + paging file size is at least 3GB, and ABSOLUTELY DO NOT USE THE SIDEBAR! Yes, it may look L337 to have the CPU temps or pretty with an analog clock on the screen, but it serves absolutely no purpose for the amount of CPU and memory it eats up.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.05 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: illford baker CCP already supports a mac(boo) and linux(better than mac) client, whats one more windows client?
It's a 100% increase in the number of clients — that's what it is. The Mac client is just the XP client in a Cider/Wine wrapper. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.05 05:13:00 -
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ccp usually lag 2-4 years behind on min graphics requirements just so more players are involved. That gets upgraded every year or two as min PC specs evolve
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Vemille Kechov
OrdoDraconis The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.10.05 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt Yea, I don't know what DX10 shots anyone has seen. More than likely you just saw shots that you thought were DX10 for some reason.
The DX10 shots people are talking about were just shots of Trinity models from before CCP decided not to use DX10 for the new engine. For example, in this article, they talk about the new engine using DX10, and show some model comparisons. CCP then announced they wouldn't be using DX10 for Trinity, which didn't make a difference anyway, because the models and textures are separate from the rendering engine.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.05 06:34:00 -
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Dx10 please. If people refuse to use Vista because their deluded minds tell them Vista is unstabile then they can just quit EVE when/if we get DX10 graphics. Seriously, you have to be pretty thick in order to stick with something as old as XP when you got the option of going Vista/W7.
If one has an old computer then thats a different story. But should CCP really cater people with old computers and 56k modens?
Dx10 please!! Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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grypher
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Posted - 2009.10.05 07:01:00 -
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Id go for DX10, but only if it works under wine.
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Uozi
Gallente SUBX Missions Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.05 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cadde And DX11 is said to be what game developers really wanna work with because it actually brings something useful to the table as opposed to DX10 which was a complete rewrite but very little added that would make game developers go: "WOO! That, we need!"
Except sli / crossfire in windowed mode, no, none of us could possibly need that
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Sjobba
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Posted - 2009.10.05 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade Dx10 please. If people refuse to use Vista because their deluded minds tell them Vista is unstabile then they can just quit EVE when/if we get DX10 graphics. Seriously, you have to be pretty thick in order to stick with something as old as XP when you got the option of going Vista/W7.
Vista *was* very unreliable before Service Pack 1, which is why it got a bad rep in that department. It was M$ that messed that up for themselves by releasing it to early. The people that were first to switch to Vista are probably the once that will stick to XP the longest.
Today Vista ain't bad. Barely an upgrade on XP tho, so I'm not really surprised people are saving their money until W7. Vista *does* require a lot more resources to run, so your FPS might suffer a bit. (I've actually tested this, and it is true... and no I did not strip everything that makes Vista Vista away before the test.)
Windows 7, on the other hand. Major upgrade on both those. Even in the beta phase it was faaar better in most respects then Vista ever was, and probably ever will be. Once that is released, I'll be right there with you, hating on the XP crowd
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Ambo
I've Got Nothing
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Posted - 2009.10.05 07:16:00 -
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I didn't upgrade to Vista because it was very intrusive out of the box, gave worse performance in all the things that mattered to me, was incompatible with some of my hardware and offered NOTHING that I wanted.
And for this bundle of joy I have to shell out ú100+? No thanks. --------------------------------------
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Derkhan Blueday
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.10.05 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade Dx10 please. If people refuse to use Vista because their deluded minds tell them Vista is unstabile then they can just quit EVE when/if we get DX10 graphics. Seriously, you have to be pretty thick in order to stick with something as old as XP when you got the option of going Vista/W7.
So you're saying that 49.5% of people who play EVE using XP are "pretty thick"? You should check out that survey link a few posts above. When Windows 7 comes out most Vista users will probably switch, along with some XP users, but you're still looking at around 30% of players still using XP. CCP would be stupid to crap on those XP users and you are stupid for asking them to.
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Eta Carinea
Caldari Tupperware Party
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Posted - 2009.10.05 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade Dx10 please. If people refuse to use Vista because their deluded minds tell them Vista is unstabile then they can just quit EVE when/if we get DX10 graphics. Seriously, you have to be pretty thick in order to stick with something as old as XP when you got the option of going Vista/W7.
If one has an old computer then thats a different story. But should CCP really cater people with old computers and 56k modens?
Dx10 please!!
Spoken like a true Amarrian, sod everyone else i am the only bugger that counts..
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.05 08:12:00 -
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Just keeping it real. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.10.05 08:42:00 -
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I don't think we ever will see a DX10 client for EVE now as DX11 is out and about.
DX10 will be passed to the history books with a small note next to it reading "fail".
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