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Mankini
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Posted - 2009.10.28 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Mankini on 28/10/2009 07:55:38 Good Blog, definitely interesting times ahead, making EVE more exciting.
One suggestion on the work EVE forums that I thought was brilliant was to make moon mining ship based and not pos based, ie, capital Industrials like the Rorqual and the Orca have mining modules that have to be actively driven to mine the moon, solving the free passive income generated offline safely in a pos where all an Alt has to do is log in once a week to empty silo's.
This balances the risk and reward, provides a geographic hot spot for fleet battles over valuable resources and makes industrial based characters more valuable for income and involves them in fleet engagements. Primary the Rorqual ....
I'd like to see this developed, and really can't see a bad side. If reduced supply from having to manually mine the moons upsets the markets then the yield per strip miner could be increased (more isk/hr for risk of exposing the expensive capital) or seed more prom and dyspro moons to reduce camping of moons and overcrowded fought over areas.
So, comments, pro's and cons? What do people think?
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Gordo Fartis
Caldari 13th Squadron E C L I P S E
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Posted - 2009.10.28 17:13:00 -
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After reading for quite a while it becomes apparent that most people are missing the point on the system upgradability. As far as I understand the idea is not to make PVPers mine, rat or do missions/plexes. The idea is to bring from high/low sec those corps that are interested mostly in the industrial aspect of EVE. Also I do not believe that all systems will become upgraded in time and what will mostly happen is a patchwork of systems were some very good base systems will remain un-imporved (and low value) whist some mediocre systems will fully upgraded and become very profitable. I see a number of advantages to this idea:
For PVPers Will mean the end of the visit a system looking for PVP and eerybody docks. Now it will become important to defend the system or your carebears will move elsewhere with more active protection
Better availability of modules and ships and it will make it easier for corp/ally shops to operate
End of large swates of territory with no one on it.
It will make the areas more interesting when you are not actively PvPing..
Fleet battles and ops will mean something as there will be a lot to lose not just a few moons that change hands on a regular basis Moons deep within alliances are mostly secure is the outlying ones that people fight for
New player alliances that have the resources to trouble the established ones which means more PvP
Also more populated systems means more people to kill. If you have 70/80 people in a system there is a good chance that you might be able to catch a few
For Carebears Will provide something new and better resources
Will make these people attractive to alliances and with time the term carebear will stop being an insult
Access to 0.0 resources
All considered it lloks to me that Dominion will provide more to PvP oriented players than to industrialists/miners/ratters/missioners so stop whingeing about grinding as it is miners etc who will do it not the PVP chars
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Gordo Fartis
Caldari 13th Squadron E C L I P S E
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Posted - 2009.10.28 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba This all sounds nice and awesome but i think it will totally change Eve into something different. Why should people even do wars after this ? Now the good space (with the good plexes / best ore) is limited. After the changes there is an abundance of everything that one needs, with the right solar system specialisation and upgrades. So why go to war and take that plex-rich region X from alliance Y, when one can have the same by upgrading a prior useless system ? Giving all that stuff to players that they want is nice, but it will destroy the scarcity of resources, there will be no need to make wars over it, i don't think thats a step in the right direction.
Since when wars are fought for resources!! most of the time is just for fun
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zelalot
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Posted - 2009.11.04 12:42:00 -
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whats the crack with updating systems. Does it upgrade the materials that you can mine from a moon?
From what i am reading we are going to be able to put up defences on systems etc. cost? To cyno jam a system do we still need to own the system, to place a cyno jen, cost?
It sounds like a great patch, it means the blob alliances can no longer justify the huge amounts space the own and not occupy it and coming from someoen invovled in an alliance that "rents" space, i am tired of having my game play ruined by rules imposed by my overlords. As a "renter" it is so frustrating seeing these blob alliances continue to get rich whilst we are restricted to the crap ass moons which even if reacted can do jack.
My question is if we live in a region that currently is owned by a "blob" alliance, what good is the patch if the "blob" alliances can still cap a high end?
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zelalot
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Posted - 2009.11.04 14:01:00 -
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still nothing - are we that insignificant that our questions deserves your answers and not the bullcrap we keep getting.
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Ceti Lomax
Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2009.11.04 18:26:00 -
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Excuse me if this question has been addressed already, but I can't seem to find a clear answer so far.
Will we be able to install "infrastructure hubs" in wormhole space?
Wormhole systems quickly run out of resources, and it would be be really helpfull to have a mechanism to increase the spawn rate of these resources in an occupied w-space system.
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Kanatta Jing
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Posted - 2009.11.05 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: zelalot Edited by: zelalot on 04/11/2009 13:45:41
whats the crack with updating systems. Does it upgrade the materials that you can mine from a moon?
With how they're trying to murder moon income to prevent Alliances from living on it, I doubt they'll let you upgrade moons. But you'll definitely be able to upgrade rats, I just wonder how far.
Originally by: Ceti Lomax
Excuse me if this question has been addressed already, but I can't seem to find a clear answer so far.
Will we be able to install "infrastructure hubs" in wormhole space?
Wormhole systems quickly run out of resources, and it would be be really helpfull to have a mechanism to increase the spawn rate of these resources in an occupied w-space system.
I don't think you can install infrastructure hubs in unowned space, hence no hubs in W-holes. Just have to move to... Subsistence farm, where you move on to new ground after you've exhausted the soil.
Of course those are just my best guesses.
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Ceti Lomax
Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2009.11.05 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kanatta Jing
Originally by: Ceti Lomax
Excuse me if this question has been addressed already, but I can't seem to find a clear answer so far.
Will we be able to install "infrastructure hubs" in wormhole space?
Wormhole systems quickly run out of resources, and it would be be really helpfull to have a mechanism to increase the spawn rate of these resources in an occupied w-space system.
I don't think you can install infrastructure hubs in unowned space, hence no hubs in W-holes. Just have to move to... Subsistence farm, where you move on to new ground after you've exhausted the soil.
Of course those are just my best guesses.
I suspect you're correct. I've heard elsewhere that Infrastucture Hubs aren't be allowed in NPC 0.0 space .. so they won't be allowed in w-space either. As long as they are indepentent of POSs, and require ownership to manage them (much like outposts), then system sovereignty will be required to access them.
Suggestion: Maybe someday we could get a limited functionality version of the Infrastructure Hub (perhaps called an "Infrastructure Enhancer"), that can be anchored in any 0.0 system. Unlike it's big brother, it isn't configurable, and won't spawn resources that don't normally spawn in the system. It would simply increase the spawning frequency of naturally occurring resources.
This would be a very welcome addition to w-space.
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zelalot
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Posted - 2009.11.05 16:04:00 -
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still no solid answers from CCP.
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zelalot
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Posted - 2009.11.05 16:17:00 -
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so now that we are getting close to dominion it still seems the blob alliances are still going to ruin the small alliances game play:
renting constellations of a figure around 300bil - is this acceptable?
is it also acceptable that all the alliances who own the massive regions atm, still cap the good moons? Its just annoying.
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Bilbo II
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.06 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: zelalot so now that we are getting close to dominion it still seems the blob alliances are still going to ruin the small alliances game play:
renting constellations of a figure around 300bil - is this acceptable?
is it also acceptable that all the alliances who own the massive regions atm, still cap the good moons? Its just annoying.
If you are paying 300 bil you are an idiot. if you mean 300 mil then thats 6 man hrs ratting or mining so stfu.
Or you could get some friends and take some space instead of *****ing so much.
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Kanatta Jing
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Posted - 2009.11.06 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: zelalot so now that we are getting close to dominion it still seems the blob alliances are still going to ruin the small alliances game play:
renting constellations of a figure around 300bil - is this acceptable?
is it also acceptable that all the alliances who own the massive regions atm, still cap the good moons? Its just annoying.
From renter experience.
7.5 billion for a constellation was a little overpriced for ours, with upgrade ability no one really knows what space is worth.
Capped all 4 Cadmium moons in the region while we where there too. Wasn't too shabby.
And soon... no one is really sure what a good moon looks like post dominion, despite educated guesses.
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Windryder
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Posted - 2009.11.06 04:10:00 -
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Dear CCP Chronotis,
DO NOT OVERLOOK that while the VALUE of moon minerals can fluctuate, be adjusted or CHANGED in these ways, the cost of running a POS tower is (for most practical purposes) FIXED by the cost of NPC trade goods used as fuels.
While I look forward to a future where there are no fixed-site moon minerals and all moons are exploration sites, I will mourn the loss of fixed-site strategic assetts, around which whole wars are fought.
But on the whole the changes sound absolutely brilliant.
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zelalot
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Posted - 2009.11.06 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: zelalot on 06/11/2009 09:45:12 Edited by: zelalot on 06/11/2009 09:44:38
Originally by: Bilbo II
Originally by: zelalot so now that we are getting close to dominion it still seems the blob alliances are still going to ruin the small alliances game play:
renting constellations of a figure around 300bil - is this acceptable?
is it also acceptable that all the alliances who own the massive regions atm, still cap the good moons? Its just annoying.
If you are paying 300 bil you are an idiot. if you mean 300 mil then thats 6 man hrs ratting or mining so stfu..
You can shut your ****ing pipe hole moron, its a simple ****ing question is 300b, a one off fee, to own our own constellation acceptable? Its already owned by a blob alliance pre Dominion, so is it such a hard question to ask?
if your coming on here to abuse me then dont bother its a simple ****ing question.
Or you could get some friends and take some space instead of *****ing so much.
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zelalot
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Posted - 2009.11.06 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: zelalot on 06/11/2009 09:57:36 Edited by: zelalot on 06/11/2009 09:55:57
Originally by: Kanatta Jing Edited by: Kanatta Jing on 06/11/2009 07:12:46
Originally by: zelalot so now that we are getting close to dominion it still seems the blob alliances are still going to ruin the small alliances game play:
renting constellations of a figure around 300bil - is this acceptable?
is it also acceptable that all the alliances who own the massive regions atm, still cap the good moons? Its just annoying.
From renter experience.
7.5 billion for a constellation was a little overpriced for ours, with upgrade ability no one really knows what space is worth.
Capped all 4 Cadmium moons in the region while we where there too. Wasn't too shabby.
And soon... no one is really sure what a good moon looks like post dominion, despite educated guesses.
Wait... I think the target was... "A whole corp could be treated poorly simply because they couldn't make as much ISK as a single Dyspro Moon" 50 Billion ISK a month? So they want upgrades to make ratting in 0.0 about x10 times more profitable?
Does that half remembered quote add up to what I think it does?
thanks bud. I just dont see what the fuss is from the **** WI chump. Post dominion our "Overlords" are trying to off load some constellations for a price. A figure off the top of their head was 300bil. The reason for the post was to see what is happening with all other blob alliances and how they are gonna cope with loosing their space post Dominion. For my liking the patch is trying to help the small alliances out and to increase their game play and not to cripple them by greedy overlords.
I did not anticipate and appreciate the comments from chumpo up their. but i forgive his ******ed manner
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Hallan De'estus
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Posted - 2009.11.06 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kanatta Jing So the major alliance in 0.0 space are supposed to bring in armies of carebears, about 10 carebears for each regular member.
Kanatta I want to thank you! Been reading and re-reading this thread for several days. As a pretty new player, in my first ever MMOG, all of this has been quite interesting and enjoyable. Something was in the back of my mind all this time and this statement clarified it for me.
For that I do sincerely thank you.
So... Two questions for the alliance-based participants in this forum thread from a pretty "young" carebear-oriented player.
Do you also see a difference between someone like me and regular members? If so, what does that alliance offer that would interest me in partnering with that alliance?
Many thanks. I look forward to reading any responses you might care to offer.
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Bilbo II
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.07 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: zelalot so now that we are getting close to dominion it still seems the blob alliances are still going to ruin the small alliances game play:
renting constellations of a figure around 300bil - is this acceptable?
is it also acceptable that all the alliances who own the massive regions atm, still cap the good moons? Its just annoying.
Let me try this again now that I not in such a foul mood... I can't think of any const in eve that is worth 300 bil if you are not getting the moons, and damn few that are worth it even with the moons.
My corp has been where you are and finally came to the conclusion that ,just as in RL, in EVE numbers DO matter. The strong with many friends will overpower the week or the friendless.
So, we joined a growing alliance while it was small and grew with it to the size that we could take over one of the crappier regions in EVE.
I see nothing in this expansion that is gonna change the fact that the many will prey on the few ,or the weak. My advice would be not to buy a const but to try to continue renting one until your corp is able to join an alliance that actually has the chance of taking/holding space.
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ED209X
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Posted - 2009.12.07 15:10:00 -
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Was this planned?
"whilst increasing the quantities required of the more common and very cheap materials such as armor plates."Chronotis
Cerberus copy with 60% wastage titanium diborite armor plate From 400 (approximately) to 6000? Is this right? Why did you change an already invented BPC. Why not future BPCs?
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Kataclismo
Gallente Imperium .H.E.M.P.
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Posted - 2010.01.18 14:25:00 -
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just to **** with us... my corp have 4 hulk BPC's + material that are ready to production but were just waiting for a guy to reactivate his account and start producing, then we discovered that we have to spend a few more million isk's in order to make the hulks...
Some of the "increases" were too high for my taste... IF THERE IS NO FUN, THERES NO NEED TO BE DONE PLAY ΞνΞ ΘΠLІΠΞ
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