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Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:06:00 -
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So lately there seems to be some rumbling about what CCP is developing, and people seem to be quite butthurt over Dust getting its due attention. That's fine, people have a right to their opinion. Hell, they even have a right to their opinion when it's completely uninformed. I am going to talk about Planetary Interaction, POS fuels, sov, and Dust. At this point I should emphasize that I am not in the beta and I have not signed an NDA. I have seen the information CCP has given us and have extrapolated its meaning to Eve players, attempting to portray it in as accurate a light as possible based on CCP-released videos and information. Therefore, the goal of this post is to demonstrate that Dust will breathe vital new life into Eve; both with its added depth of gameplay and its potential for wreaking disaster on alliances who aren't ready for it.
Planetary Interaction is the sole source of fuel for POS's, as well as being the only source of nanite paste and fuel for jump bridges and capital ships. It can be argued that a strong alliance relies on PI at the line-member level for some or most of these needs. Further, the sparse planetary resources of high-sec, where most of the players of Eve apparently huddle together for shared bodyheat or something, provides little relief should this production chain be interrupted. And interrupted it will be.
Dust will put players in environments based on our PI installments. The Dust crew will be able to actually inhibit Eve's PI by way of guerilla attacks on them. Sometimes the PI installments will be defended. I strongly suspect that at other times they will not. The question has been posed in another thread, "Why will shooting people you can't even see be compelling gameplay?" This is a fair question, as not everyone understands its implications.
If my personal PI is being assaulted by DUST Mites (so-called because from orbit they look so tiny), I will have the option (with proper skills and hardware) to bombard them from orbit. Doing so will raise all manner of hell in the Dust environment, possibly saving my PI installation. However, by hanging out at a planet in a ship capable of orbital bombardment in Nullsec, I would present myself as a pretty juicy target here in Eve. Coordination between Eve and Dust chats will allow my attackers to inform their Eve counterparts that they are currently under bombardment, meaning there is obviously a target. And they know right where the target is.
This means that the link between Dust and Eve will drive PVP for economic and sovereignty-related reasons. Maintaining sov without POS fuel would be very tough, especially because large alliances rely so heavily on Technetium and other Moon Goo income for continued operation. Disabling the production of their POS fuel could interrupt such mining activities, weakening power blocs. If DUST 514 cannot be seen as a compelling development for Eve Online in this light, I am unsure of what actually can be seen that way. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:08:00 -
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Hi there If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:13:00 -
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also I can shop around to see what dustbunny corps have invested the most RL cash into the game and use them to my advantage
its p2w by proxy! The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:16:00 -
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a little bit too optimistic
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:19:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:a little bit too optimistic
Are you saying CCP would leave a design flaw in Dust so large as to give us Eve players literally no incentive to do orbital bombardment?
I wonder how you think this is too optimistic? It's not that I think you're automatically wrong. I just wonder what would lead you to say this.
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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:21:00 -
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Said it once, say it again...
Cannot wait for the first cross platform gank.
It needs to be so that EVE players can gank ground troops, and that ground troops can place bounties on EVE players. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:29:00 -
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Very optimistic post. However I suspect planetary invasions will be reserved for low-sec and null-sec so there won't be too much fun for ... let's call them "hi-sec carebears" one more time. Or maybe "75% of pilots". |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:30:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Very optimistic post. However I suspect planetary invasions will be reserved for low-sec and null-sec so there won't be too much fun for ... let's call them "hi-sec carebears" one more time. Or maybe "75% of pilots". All they have to do is participate in the content to enjoy the fun.
If they don't, what does that say about them? |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:44:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:a little bit too optimistic
Are you saying CCP would leave a design flaw in Dust so large as to give us Eve players literally no incentive to do orbital bombardment? I wonder how you think this is too optimistic? It's not that I think you're automatically wrong. I just wonder what would lead you to say this.
History of CCP pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:46:00 -
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Orbital bambardment - it's new and interesting for the first 5 minutes. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
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Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:49:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Orbital bambardment - it's new and interesting for the first 5 minutes. And if players' attention spans are this short, then after the initial 5 minutes I suspect we will see a lot of player and alliance assets begin to be jeopardized.
No, I think this feature will remain compelling for years to come.
Human beings are always more compelling than coded responses. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:55:00 -
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It's a cool concept, but it has some problems right out of the box: PS3 only is a major one, the fact that it's a shooter in a saturated market with no name for itself is another, and the list goes on.
I wish CCP the best with this though, and I hope it works out for them. |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:11:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:Take your average shooter player and tell them that players in another game can blow them to crap from orbit and see how that flys with them. Well let's see.
Players of FPS have been dealing with TKs for a decade or more now, right?
Begin match, frag team via grenade. LOL, right?
I didn't see the FPS market wither and die as a result of this common game mechanic.
So no, I doubt FPS players will be at all deterred because they can be fragged by sources they did not anticipate. |
Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:13:00 -
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Considering the name of the OP:
I disregard this thread and its contents.
Good day to you. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:13:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:Take your average shooter player and tell them that players in another game can blow them to crap from orbit and see how that flys with them. Well let's see. Players of FPS have been dealing with TKs for a decade or more now, right? Begin match, frag team via grenade. LOL, right? I didn't see the FPS market wither and die as a result of this common game mechanic. So no, I doubt FPS players will be at all deterred because they can be fragged by sources they did not anticipate.
When there are no consequences to death, there are no tears. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:16:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Disregard That wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:Take your average shooter player and tell them that players in another game can blow them to crap from orbit and see how that flys with them. Well let's see. Players of FPS have been dealing with TKs for a decade or more now, right? Begin match, frag team via grenade. LOL, right? I didn't see the FPS market wither and die as a result of this common game mechanic. So no, I doubt FPS players will be at all deterred because they can be fragged by sources they did not anticipate. When there are no consequences to death, there are no tears. I've seen way to much CS rage on Youtube to believe some **** like this.
Tears flow, bro. Tears flow. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:18:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:Take your average shooter player and tell them that players in another game can blow them to crap from orbit and see how that flys with them. Well let's see. Players of FPS have been dealing with TKs for a decade or more now, right? Begin match, frag team via grenade. LOL, right? I didn't see the FPS market wither and die as a result of this common game mechanic. So no, I doubt FPS players will be at all deterred because they can be fragged by sources they did not anticipate.
in the beginning unlimited Orbital Strikes from one person Dust mites or bunnies or whatever complain Suddenly OS are nerfed to 4 OS /h Dust mites still complaining OS are nerfed to 1 OS/h Dust mites knowing by being vocal gets what you want ,continue complaining OS are nerfed 1 OS/h for 1 corp
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
158
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:21:00 -
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TL;DR.
But...lol at someone thinking this will work out well. EVE is so bugridden now, that you can only wonder how badly Dust will integrate. I wonder how many FPS'ers will buy into the whole "Lag is a feature" thing?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:21:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Disregard That wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:Take your average shooter player and tell them that players in another game can blow them to crap from orbit and see how that flys with them. Well let's see. Players of FPS have been dealing with TKs for a decade or more now, right? Begin match, frag team via grenade. LOL, right? I didn't see the FPS market wither and die as a result of this common game mechanic. So no, I doubt FPS players will be at all deterred because they can be fragged by sources they did not anticipate. in the beginning unlimited Orbital Strikes from one person Dust mites or bunnies or whatever complain Suddenly OS are nerfed to 4 OS /h Dust mites still complaining OS are nerfed to 1 OS/h Dust mites knowing by being vocal gets what you want ,continue complaining OS are nerfed 1 OS/h for 1 corp
Only if Dust 514 assaults on PI are also nerfed proportionately.
Otherwise CCP loses their null bloc because they can't adequately defend themselves with the limits on the tools they have.
I don't foresee this as being a problem.
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:TL;DR. But...lol at someone thinking this will work out well. EVE is so bugridden now, that you can only wonder how badly Dust will integrate. I wonder how many FPS'ers will buy into the whole "Lag is a feature" thing? Oh look, it's Beekeeper Bob! I thought you only trolled Goons! I guess I didn't realize you were a hardened CCP hater, too.
Why are you here again? |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:38:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Disregard That wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:Take your average shooter player and tell them that players in another game can blow them to crap from orbit and see how that flys with them. Well let's see. Players of FPS have been dealing with TKs for a decade or more now, right? Begin match, frag team via grenade. LOL, right? I didn't see the FPS market wither and die as a result of this common game mechanic. So no, I doubt FPS players will be at all deterred because they can be fragged by sources they did not anticipate. in the beginning unlimited Orbital Strikes from one person Dust mites or bunnies or whatever complain Suddenly OS are nerfed to 4 OS /h Dust mites still complaining OS are nerfed to 1 OS/h Dust mites knowing by being vocal gets what you want ,continue complaining OS are nerfed 1 OS/h for 1 corp Only if Dust 514 assaults on PI are also nerfed proportionately. Otherwise CCP loses their null bloc because they can't adequately defend themselves with the limits on the tools they have. I don't foresee this as being a problem. EDIT: Beekeeper Bob wrote:TL;DR. But...lol at someone thinking this will work out well. EVE is so bugridden now, that you can only wonder how badly Dust will integrate. I wonder how many FPS'ers will buy into the whole "Lag is a feature" thing? Oh look, it's Beekeeper Bob! I thought you only trolled Goons! I guess I didn't realize you were a hardened CCP hater, too. Why are you here again?
Actually I was trolling a Troll, did you not get the message?
And if you don't see a problem, perhaps you should wipe your nose off, that brown stuff is interfering with your vision....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
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