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kessah
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.05 17:50:00 -
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Here i just thought id post a nice little Brutix setup. Been watching people fly them lately with the standard fit, but its always capping out and its tank is... 'ok'
This one's really nice i think, it drops the web, but you've got drones if someones got you scram'ed and if they haven't then just MWD to a gate/dock. Or use a Drop booster.
[Brutix, New Setup 1 copy 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Nanobot Accelerator I Nanobot Accelerator I Nanobot Accelerator I
Hammerhead/Valk's II x5 OR 5x Hobgoblin II 5x EC-300's
Needs a PG4 implant (3% grid)
530 DPS (585 w.overload)
473 DPS tank uniform, that isnt impressive, however when you add overload its 612 DPS and drop an Exile improved (10-15m) its then 765 DPS uniform. Then if you wish, add a Numon Implant and its 822 DPS tank. With EM tank resists the highest forming a 965 DPS tank vs anything dealing Laser type damage.
With the Numon though you'll need to drop the 3% grid implant and use Modal Electrons giving you 501 dps (29 less).
Hope you enjoy.
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.10.05 17:51:00 -
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Duuude. Electrons (lolrange) and no web?
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kessah
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.05 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Suas Duuude. Electrons (lolrange) and no web?
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Yup Once its scrambled its stuck there. Unless your scrambled aswell, but then you can be prepared and have your MWD ready for overloading again (or use a cheap 10m faction scram. Utilize Overload
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Beltantis Torrence
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.10.05 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Beltantis Torrence on 05/10/2009 17:56:28
Originally by: Suas Duuude. Electrons (lolrange) and no web?
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This. They'll get out of range, electrons absolutely require a web (and even then I can't stand them due to the limited range). Edited to add : this is talking from experience. Its actually really hard to keep people in electron range even *with* a web and a scram.
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.05 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/10/2009 17:56:17 Isn't the standard fit a shield Brutix with 3 damage mods and neutrons?
Anyway, meh, the Myrmidon does the rep thing better. Triple reps, with exile and heat 960 DPS tank and that's not even counting implants. And more DPS on it plus small ship defense (bonused drones + web).
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.10.05 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Originally by: Suas Duuude. Electrons (lolrange) and no web?
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Yup Once its scrambled its stuck there. Unless your scrambled aswell, but then you can be prepared and have your MWD ready for overloading again (or use a cheap 10m faction scram. Utilize Overload
Or you get kited at 8k by any competent pilot. I obviously meant kiting inside scram range, you silly doofus. This will lose to a frickin' Rupture with Barrage if you're using the Modal Electron setup. >_> And your speed with the 3 nanobots...
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.10.05 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/10/2009 17:56:17 Isn't the standard fit a shield Brutix with 3 damage mods and neutrons?
Anyway, meh, the Myrmidon does the rep thing better. Triple reps, with exile and heat 960 DPS tank and that's not even counting implants. And more DPS on it plus small ship defense (bonused drones + web).
Yup.
[Brutix, Brutix>Deimos] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reactor Control Unit II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5
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kessah
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.05 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: kessah on 05/10/2009 18:05:41 Edited by: kessah on 05/10/2009 18:01:36
Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/10/2009 17:56:17 Isn't the standard fit a shield Brutix with 3 damage mods and neutrons?
Anyway, meh, the Myrmidon does the rep thing better. Triple reps, with exile and heat 960 DPS tank and that's not even counting implants. And more DPS on it plus small ship defense (bonused drones + web).
I posted that setup months ago and it gets 1100 dps. The brutix has more Gun DPS and its for pirates, not 0.0 blob warfare. You lads can just use a titan
Originally by: Beltantis Torrence Edited by: Beltantis Torrence on 05/10/2009 17:56:28
Originally by: Suas Duuude. Electrons (lolrange) and no web?
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This. They'll get out of range, electrons absolutely require a web (and even then I can't stand them due to the limited range). Edited to add : this is talking from experience. Its actually really hard to keep people in electron range even *with* a web and a scram.
I generally use null in those situations... If its something bigger your inertial should bring you in close enough. Using Sooth sayer boosters can also help.
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/10/2009 17:56:17 Isn't the standard fit a shield Brutix with 3 damage mods and neutrons?
Anyway, meh, the Myrmidon does the rep thing better. Triple reps, with exile and heat 960 DPS tank and that's not even counting implants. And more DPS on it plus small ship defense (bonused drones + web).
I posted that setup months ago and it gets 1100 dps. The brutix has more Gun DPS and its for pirates, not 0.0 blob warfare. You lads can just use a titan
Haha, yes, just saw the other thread.
But anyway, the "more gun DPS" isn't going to help it much; it's going to die in a sentry engagement vs anyone competent very fast, since losing the drones murders its DPS, left relying on utterly short range electrons supported with 0 damage mods sucks.
Both are best used off sentries really.
Unless you're in a gang, where all the extra repping doesn't change the fact you contribute very little DPS when you consider you have to burn towards everyone and release drones which get shot up by sentries to contribute.
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kessah
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: kessah on 05/10/2009 18:08:44
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: kessah
Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/10/2009 17:56:17 Isn't the standard fit a shield Brutix with 3 damage mods and neutrons?
Anyway, meh, the Myrmidon does the rep thing better. Triple reps, with exile and heat 960 DPS tank and that's not even counting implants. And more DPS on it plus small ship defense (bonused drones + web).
I posted that setup months ago and it gets 1100 dps. The brutix has more Gun DPS and its for pirates, not 0.0 blob warfare. You lads can just use a titan
Haha, yes, just saw the other thread.
But anyway, the "more gun DPS" isn't going to help it much; it's going to die in a sentry engagement vs anyone competent very fast, since losing the drones murders its DPS, left relying on utterly short range electrons supported with 0 damage mods sucks.
Both are best used off sentries really.
Unless you're in a gang, where all the extra repping doesn't change the fact you contribute very little DPS when you consider you have to burn towards everyone and release drones which get shot up by sentries to contribute.
Solo defensive pvp waits for targets to come to him. A flashy red target is too tempting to some.
As with all my crazy fits, i always prove them on the field. tbh i didnt really ask for a debate i just wanted to share. I know this ship setups capable of. No disrespect there just stating my intentions and they have been done.
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Beltantis Torrence
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:14:00 -
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[Brutix, Gang Brutix] Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Ancillary Current Router I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5
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Nova Satar
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:31:00 -
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it's a nice setup.
Like he said, it's not for 0.0.
These shield buffer setups getting posted wouldn't last 2 seconds in lowsec.
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steveid
Helljumpers Alliance 12345
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:42:00 -
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did kessah sell his account?
I personally if i had to would fly:
[Brutix, New Setup 2] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Reactor Control Unit II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Hammerhead II x5
Altho its horribly outperformed by the caine which is outperformed by the harby.
Still they do say let the guns talk. Fancy a friendly 1 on 1 kessah? If you read this then you have to lick my balls. |
Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:42:00 -
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Just use a hype tbh. Armor rigs + short range scram and no web is not the easiest way to catch people.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.05 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Satar it's a nice setup.
Like he said, it's not for 0.0.
These shield buffer setups getting posted wouldn't last 2 seconds in lowsec.
Agreed, not worth at all in low sec and anybody that is foolish enught to use DPS to gank people instead of tanking them out with blasterships fails. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Eli Porter
Amarr Altruism.
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Posted - 2009.10.05 19:29:00 -
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Uh, I think you'll run out of boosters before you kill anything. not to mention catching stuff certainly won't be easy.
I think this would work better. ECM drones+Rep to fill in the gaps or help you get out of tough situations(like baits), and a good amount of gank. Downgrade to a rig-less fit with ion blasters for more cost effectiveness.
[Brutix, Solo Gank Brutix] Medium Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II
Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Vespa EC-600 x5
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2009.10.05 19:33:00 -
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I tried the nanobot accelerator thing on a Myrm, and was unable to make it work. It has a fantastic local tank (momentarily), but even with 2 cap boosters you cap out so freaking fast. Then again, I was tanking an absolution and astarte....
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.05 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/10/2009 20:04:12 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/10/2009 20:03:05
Originally by: Nova Satar it's a nice setup.
Like he said, it's not for 0.0.
These shield buffer setups getting posted wouldn't last 2 seconds in lowsec.
Ok, Kessah posted a fit which works for him. I personally don't like it because I think the Myrmidon is just better at this sort of thing, but w/e.
However, shield buffer setups won't last 2 seconds in low-sec is 100% bogus. Sentries? In gangs, shield buffer setups are great on sentries where overtanking with low DPS is bad, self-recharging buffer and high DPS is good.
Solo, you're either getting agressed first or you're going to die vs anything your own size, because that tank is going to *melt* when you add sentries to a damage output of a actual combat ship and consider the fact your drones are going to pop very rapidly depriving you of a good part of your DPS.
There is no magic wand which says you need a sentry-capable tank in low-sec.
That said, imo the problem with this specific Brutix fit is that the Myrmidon does everything it does much better, thanks to the extra slots and drones being effective anywhere in scram range. Sure, you can use the Brutix if you like, but, well... the question is essentially why bother?
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fmercury
Club Bear HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.10.06 22:59:00 -
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Interesting setup. I'm trying out a mega fit that is pretty similar, hopefully it works out
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.10.07 05:30:00 -
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Heh, now I expected to see you fitting 2x Cap Injectors, 1x Scram and 1x Web for your idea of "low sec PvP".
I'd use either the Cyclone or the Myrm if active tanking is your thing. The cyclone has much more flexible weapon system (namely, range) and the Myrm tanks much better than the Brutix. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
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fmercury
Club Bear HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.10.07 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: fmercury Interesting setup. I'm trying out a mega fit that is pretty similar, hopefully it works out
update: dual rep/dual cap booster mega is a lot of fun. makes me wish i had a crane alt like garmon though. I should get on that....
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.10.07 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 07/10/2009 09:14:12
Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/10/2009 17:56:17 Isn't the standard fit a shield Brutix with 3 damage mods and neutrons?
Anyway, meh, the Myrmidon does the rep thing better. Triple reps, with exile and heat 960 DPS tank and that's not even counting implants. And more DPS on it plus small ship defense (bonused drones + web).
If you wanna go silly. Cycle time is 3.98s on them btw.
Remember ppls ... it's a battlecruiser so you can 'gain' a low by sacrificing a high. :)
LE: Here's something a tad more realistic. :) If you overload all lows, you tank about 1400dps. :) With the new introduction of medium rigs - saves you quite a lot of isk, you can put all that in faction scram/webb. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:04:00 -
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OP: Replace one of those cap boosters with a web, and then replace those accelerators with nano pumps. No point using that much cap.
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Angry Poster
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Angry Poster on 07/10/2009 12:24:01 imho your setup is only viable in an extremely low-damage engagement (1 vs 1). Otherwise you'll be way WAY better off with a buffer tank then an active tank. Active tanks are for PvE or for tiny engagements where the incomming damage is smaller then the amount you can rep. This is pretty much never the case in "real" PvP. You're also extremely cap dependant with an active tank and imo thats really bad.
I'd go for shield- or armor buffer gank fit and not try and force the ship into a role it's not very good at in the first place.
Play for your (ships) strengths or use a myrm.
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Erik Legant
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Renarla ... [Brutix, Brutix>Deimos] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reactor Control Unit II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5
Renarla, your setup is nice but I reach a slightly better tank with an invulnerability field II instead of your 2nd Large Shield Extender II and a anti-EM rig instead of the ACR. Unfortunately, it's more cap sensitive. -- Erik |
Kazang
Gallente Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.10.07 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kazang on 07/10/2009 13:08:23 I like the idea but really you cannot use electrons without a web.
For instance say you fighting a drake with a scram only tackle. The drake will just sit outside of your range popping off missles with both of you scramed unable to close the range, the same goes for fighting a cane. Even a rupture with a scram and web would be kill your brutix simply because of pathetic range of electrons.
Electrons really are terrible weapons unless used at point blank 1km. Here they excel with awesome tracking and solid damage but to do that you really a need a web.
Also you need a mag stab on than thing. Blaster boat without a magstab? Get a myrm if you want to go all tank its a much better boat for that. The extra damage is needed aswell as you the whole idea its to gank the other guy before he ganks you, the brutix cannot sustain the tank very long with the cap issues and in fairness its best role is face melting damage not tank.
If you want to go dual rep brutix something like this will do a better job.
[Brutix, t2 electrons + tank] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Hammerhead II x5
As a side note i think the brutix has gone from bottom of the pile to one of best BCs since the rig change.
Kazang
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The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kazang
As a side note i think the brutix has gone from bottom of the pile to one of best BCs since the rig change.
Not realy the lack of trimarks\nano pumps on many BCs\Cruisers helped the Brutix a lot to punch thrue. Also shield resist\damage rigs where not expensive at all before the rig changes. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Podrage
Silent N00bs
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Posted - 2009.10.07 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Podrage on 07/10/2009 17:34:50
Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/10/2009 17:56:17
Anyway, meh, the Myrmidon does the rep thing better. Triple reps, with exile and heat 960 DPS tank and that's not even counting implants. And more DPS on it plus small ship defense (bonused drones + web).
This is great advice..., but not applicable on low-sec gates. Furthermore, iirc, it was Kessah herself who posted that setup first :P
My 2 cents: Kessah, I've been flying a very similar setup for quite some while now in low-sec. Personally, I prefer dropping one cap booster and adding a web. For the rest, it's a viable setup and it can kill stuff :P |
Kazang
Gallente Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.10.07 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: Kazang
As a side note i think the brutix has gone from bottom of the pile to one of best BCs since the rig change.
Not realy the lack of trimarks\nano pumps on many BCs\Cruisers helped the Brutix a lot to punch thrue. Also shield resist\damage rigs where not expensive at all before the rig changes.
Shield tank was brutix was better before yeah but now you can fit extenders for cheap so its not all bad. But drakes and canes where often rigged before and it wasn't worth rigging a brutix. Giving a proportionate disadvantage. Brutix v drake is now a much more even fight. Drake/cane is still better of course but the brutix did "gain" more from the rigs.
Kazang
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TheRedemption
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Posted - 2009.10.07 23:23:00 -
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i know the OPs is really more geared towards out and out solo pvp, but ive had great success in small gangs with this one, or if youve got a tackler etc.
7x heavy ion 2s - caldari antimatter
2x invuln field 2s 1x large shield extender 2 10mn MWD
3x Mag stab 2 Dmg contl 2 reactor control (need to get a reactor 2 then you can swap out ions for neutrons)
3x shield extenders (these are cheap as hell)
5x hammerheads
for me pumps out just over 800dps with overload. ****s everything.
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