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Titan Diablo
Nemesis Inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.08 22:51:00 -
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figured they'd give a percentage to protect their investments by hiring corps for protection. or are they all that greedy that they'd rather eat the loss of a hulk? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1422
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Posted - 2012.06.08 22:55:00 -
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Goons are running one of those |
Moonasha
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
68
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Posted - 2012.06.08 22:56:00 -
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How do you protect against alpha? I think high sec ganking is awesome, but you can't really protect from alpha besides fitting a tank (which many are too stupid to do). I think low sec mining with a fleet guarding the operation would be cool as hell and stimulate pvp, but miners are too carebearish to venture there. |
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs New Eden Research.
153
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Posted - 2012.06.08 22:57:00 -
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With a picture like that, I assume you're trolling. I really hope you're trolling, and not actually that dumb. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
376
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:04:00 -
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Did, did she ... just ask that ??????
Tal |
Takamori Maruyama
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:04:00 -
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You can make a grease monkey and act as a repairer for the endangered hulk. Loud and clear... |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
122
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:40:00 -
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Titan Diablo wrote:figured they'd give a percentage to protect their investments by hiring corps for protection. or are they all that greedy that they'd rather eat the loss of a hulk?
Im able to use multiple logistic in my multile accounts. as hulk protector, well skiled all to lvl 5, but here is problem, im old player, i wont waste like 5 hour to protect one hulk who mining veldspar who can made 10mil profit per hour... while im able to earn 4x more on lvl 4 mission, to my point, you think miners can aford protectors? and even if they can, they cant survive multiple alpha even they got logistic support. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1600
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:44:00 -
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How exactly do you expect to protect someone from ships that pop their targets pretty much at the same time they lock? TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
49
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:45:00 -
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Hi.
You look like a night elf.
That is all. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
294
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:50:00 -
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In after clueless forum posters think suicide ganking hulks is still done by alpha. Have you guys logged in since 2010? |
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Generals4
825
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:55:00 -
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Titan Diablo wrote:figured they'd give a percentage to protect their investments by hiring corps for protection. or are they all that greedy that they'd rather eat the loss of a hulk?
Genius, please tell me you offer such useful services. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
650
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Posted - 2012.06.09 00:00:00 -
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From my experience of running small mercenary corporations, I can tell you that the majority of potential carebear clients back out of sealing contracts because after assuming that the services would be provided free/very cheaply, they balk at having to pay a few hundred million for a week of work.
To answer the second part of the question: your Hulk will have a lot of EHP with a buffer fit, and a max-skilled Tengu providing bonuses. On top of that, even a single Basilisk will usually be enough to deter gankers from going after you. Sure, they can still probably gank you, but it's not a guaranteed thing, and they can just as easily go kill someone a belt away who is unprotected.
Carebears simply refuse to give up a part of their income to ensure safety. I've offered RR services to them, but each time the response was "sry cant cuz then we maek less from mins :\". I've never had carebears accept protection offers, ever. Meanwhile, selling RR services to pvp corporations has been quite profitable.
Carebears simply expect maximum yield at all times, and when they can't get it, they whine for game changes. It's nothing new.
Edit: carebears have hired me for mercenary work that involved wars. The first paragraph still applies to most negotiations, however. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1241
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Posted - 2012.06.09 01:07:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:From my experience of running small mercenary corporations, I can tell you that the majority of potential carebear clients back out of sealing contracts because after assuming that the services would be provided free/very cheaply, they balk at having to pay a few hundred million for a week of work.
... expecially when those "few hundred millions for a week of work" are more than they earn even with the increased prices.
Destiny Corrupted wrote: I've never had carebears accept protection offers, ever. Meanwhile, selling RR services to pvp corporations has been quite profitable.
Too bad for you, sometimes I fleet up with protection mercs who get miners jobs all the time. They don't ask for hundred millions a week though. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1092
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Posted - 2012.06.09 01:09:00 -
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You can't protect Hulks from gankers.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
653
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Posted - 2012.06.09 01:20:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:From my experience of running small mercenary corporations, I can tell you that the majority of potential carebear clients back out of sealing contracts because after assuming that the services would be provided free/very cheaply, they balk at having to pay a few hundred million for a week of work.
... expecially when those "few hundred millions for a week of work" are more than they earn even with the increased prices. Destiny Corrupted wrote: I've never had carebears accept protection offers, ever. Meanwhile, selling RR services to pvp corporations has been quite profitable.
Too bad for you, sometimes I fleet up with protection mercs who get miners jobs all the time. They don't ask for hundred millions a week though. Let's see...Any single person I play with has the capacity to run some incursions, or go into a wormhole, and make at the minimum 100 million ISK per hour.
Alternatively, for a standard high-sec war contract, the fee is usually 400-600 million weekly. In my experience, asking for more simply removes all chance of sealing a contract, unless you're being hired by a strong entity with specific goals. I mean, I've done contracts worth 2-3 billion a week, and I rarely bring more than 4-5 people on a job.
Let's assume four people actively take part in the contract. That's 150 million, at most, per person. Each of these people puts in at least double-digit hours every week chasing/camping/fighting war targets. How much is that per hour now? Now, let's add on the additional risk of losing ships in combat...
So, how much should we charge a carebear outfit per hour to guard a mining op that consists of, say, four Hulks and an Orca? Or are you also saying we should do this for free, because since we're pvpers, staring at the screen and doing nothing productive while guarding some whiny roid-suckers is its own reward?
Edit: keep in mind, we're not 2-month-old players in frigates learning the ropes. We actually ensure success for our employers. Sure, you might hire some local players to sit around in some cruisers, and fail miserably when they are unable to take out even one hostile destroyer before CONCORD does. I am talking about multiple T2 logistics, links, dedicated ECM burst Blackbirds, instant-lock 1400 Tornados, et cetera. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Grandpa Bill
Twin Lakes Retirement Home
105
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Posted - 2012.06.09 01:55:00 -
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Ya know, I used to take Grandma to the store to watch over her becasue there was this one time a guy ran up to her and he took her purse. It was some youngen kid who probably need the money fer drugs or ******. Ya know the hardest part about it all was the fact that we had to go to the tag agency to get her drivers licence replaced and low and behold she hadent got it renewed fer a couple of years. So we had to jump through a couple of hoops it get it all fixed. we probably wated in line for hours like we were at disneyland trying to get on a ride. Ya know I took my Grandson David to a theme park out where we live. Boy I tell ya that kid was all over them rides. When I was a kid we had a park near up called cow poke land. You got in fer free if you dressed like you were from the western ages. I would get all dressed up like a cowboy id seen on TV... When I was a kid I used to watch a lot of cowboy movies, still do actually. I like the funny westerns with James Garner the most. Westerns reminds me of this park that was called cow poke land. It was a small park that was near where I lived at the time. We used to get all dressed up on the count that it were free to get in if you did. Anywho, that just goes to show you why I like westerns so much. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
66
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Posted - 2012.06.09 02:29:00 -
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Thanks to Hulkageddon and raising mineral prices Hulks print money now thus protection isn't critical.
A couple more weeks of hulkageddon and mining will become most profitable activity in the game. |
Miss Yanumano
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.06.09 02:29:00 -
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Paging doctor Andski, paging doctor Andski... |
Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.06.09 02:45:00 -
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We offer comprehensive insurance coverage for a variety of mining vessels for smart pilots who value their ships enough to protect their investments. Mine space rocks of solid isk while your competition's Hulks are being salvaged. Contact an official Goonswarm Federation Insurance salesman today. |
Allyria Kylari
Blue asteroids
0
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Posted - 2012.06.09 02:49:00 -
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Grandpa Bill wrote:Ya know, I used to take Grandma to the store to watch over her becasue there was this one time a guy ran up to her and he took her purse. It was some youngen kid who probably need the money fer drugs or ******. Ya know the hardest part about it all was the fact that we had to go to the tag agency to get her drivers licence replaced and low and behold she hadent got it renewed fer a couple of years. So we had to jump through a couple of hoops it get it all fixed. we probably wated in line for hours like we were at disneyland trying to get on a ride. Ya know I took my Grandson David to a theme park out where we live. Boy I tell ya that kid was all over them rides. When I was a kid we had a park near up called cow poke land. You got in fer free if you dressed like you were from the western ages. I would get all dressed up like a cowboy id seen on TV... When I was a kid I used to watch a lot of cowboy movies, still do actually. I like the funny westerns with James Garner the most. Westerns reminds me of this park that was called cow poke land. It was a small park that was near where I lived at the time. We used to get all dressed up on the count that it were free to get in if you did. Anywho, that just goes to show you why I like westerns so much.
Granpa Bill! Oh is that you Grandpa? It's been ever so long. The last time I seen you must have been at lovely Grandma's funeral rest in peace. It was such a lovely day I remember. Just the kind of day Grandma May would've loved to go to the old cowboy park. Those damnyankees turned it into a Wal-Mart, but I daresay she done sit in the parking lot anyhow God bless her. |
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Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
29
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Posted - 2012.06.09 03:08:00 -
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Moonasha wrote:but you can't really protect from alpha besides fitting a tank
tanked hulk vs T2 gank fit cata even tanked hulk is dead |
Corebin Dallas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.06.09 04:33:00 -
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For along time while I enjoyed ganking I also thought that there really wasn't much a miner could do if I wanted to kill them. But recently I have started to see trends of miners keeping Instacanes and ECM ships with their miners. I like to use catalysts for this work and if you can pop or jam that catalyst after one or two vollies(very doable if you are paying attention) I just lost my gank ship and your hulk is free to warp away.
Now yes if they want you dead they will get you, either by bringing Alpha or just more cheap ships then you can knock out. But this is more work and more expensive on my part. I'm pretty lazy and so I have started to avoid those groups for now until I run out of easy game.
So take this as a ganker who used to have sympathy for miners even thou I enjoyed killing them. I now realize many of you guys are just lazy and want your isk without effort. If you put even a little bit of effort into mining instead of doing it afk or a maxed isk/hr setup you might be safer. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
909
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Posted - 2012.06.09 04:52:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:You can't protect Hulks from gankers.
sure you can eh |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
82
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Posted - 2012.06.09 05:53:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:...minimum 100 million ISK per hour.
although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Aooz
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:01:00 -
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Think about it
The bodyguard would be making less than a miner and watching over a miner is even more boring than mining. |
ashley Eoner
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:02:00 -
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Titan Diablo wrote:figured they'd give a percentage to protect their investments by hiring corps for protection. or are they all that greedy that they'd rather eat the loss of a hulk? Yup I protect my miners by giving them a tank RR, Buffs, and ECM drones. Yield drops but solo gankers lose interest quickly. Probably should make another alt and set it up with a tackle so I could kill one if they try. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:13:00 -
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Corebin Dallas wrote:So take this as a ganker who used to have sympathy for miners even thou I enjoyed killing them. I now realize many of you guys are just lazy and want your isk without effort. If you put even a little bit of effort into mining instead of doing it afk or a maxed isk/hr setup you might be safer.
No effort... blah blah. Still can't find any mining Rokhs on killboards.
When you guys are running around I keep my Hulk in hangar or mine in mission space. Even though your Catalyst would have hard time destroying it. |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:13:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Titan Diablo wrote:figured they'd give a percentage to protect their investments by hiring corps for protection. or are they all that greedy that they'd rather eat the loss of a hulk? Yup I protect my miners by giving them a tank RR, Buffs, and ECM drones. Yield drops but solo gankers lose interest quickly. Probably should make another alt and set it up with a tackle so I could kill one if they try.
Yea, someone finally said it to the clueless "gun = answer" crew.
RR Shield Buff your ships = Merc = Neut Repper Corp = ISK for Buff, also fit up 1 orca with Shield Buff, since only one can buff mining, etc...or use a Cmd, BC, or such... sheesh... people, learn the game. it's all about the Frame Rate... |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
909
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:18:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:tanked hulk vs T2 gank fit cata even tanked hulk is dead
A small shield booster doesn't make a tank, hope this helps eh |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1241
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:18:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Let's see...Any single person I play with has the capacity to run some incursions, or go into a wormhole, and make at the minimum 100 million ISK per hour.
Alternatively, for a standard high-sec war contract, the fee is usually 400-600 million weekly. In my experience, asking for more simply removes all chance of sealing a contract, unless you're being hired by a strong entity with specific goals. I mean, I've done contracts worth 2-3 billion a week, and I rarely bring more than 4-5 people on a job.
Let's assume four people actively take part in the contract. That's 150 million, at most, per person. Each of these people puts in at least double-digit hours every week chasing/camping/fighting war targets. How much is that per hour now? Now, let's add on the additional risk of losing ships in combat...
So, how much should we charge a carebear outfit per hour to guard a mining op that consists of, say, four Hulks and an Orca? Or are you also saying we should do this for free, because since we're pvpers, staring at the screen and doing nothing productive while guarding some whiny roid-suckers is its own reward?
Edit: keep in mind, we're not 2-month-old players in frigates learning the ropes. We actually ensure success for our employers. Sure, you might hire some local players to sit around in some cruisers, and fail miserably when they are unable to take out even one hostile destroyer before CONCORD does. I am talking about multiple T2 logistics, links, dedicated ECM burst Blackbirds, instant-lock 1400 Tornados, et cetera.
Hey, in a PvP game, this is market PvP for you. There's always someone undercutting you. The guys I talk about use interceptors, HACs, Tornados, Logistics.
Also, exactly like some 0.0 alliance subsidizes suicide gankers, other organizations subsidize protection mercs.
Don't think Goons invented something new in this regard.
Ah, there are some players who give away T2 (tanked) mining ships as well. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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