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LarcatOfRens
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Posted - 2009.10.07 19:26:00 -
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Been in FW for a while now. It is ok, but kinda blobby. MUCH more importantly, FW makes you just want to say **** sec status, I'm go pirate and go after all targets. FW is a tease. Targets everywhere but oh so few have the orange star.
How does RvB compare? Solo fights to be had? A place for frigs? Players willing to mentor more novice pvpers?
Thoughts?
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Panza Solaar
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Posted - 2009.10.07 19:28:00 -
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You'll never look back.
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LarcatOfRens
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Posted - 2009.10.07 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Panza Solaar You'll never look back.
Don't suprise sex me, seduce me.
Give me specifics.
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ROXGenghis
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Posted - 2009.10.07 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: ROXGenghis on 07/10/2009 20:15:37 I've been in RvB almost a week now. Every night there's fighting to be had. The FCs treat RvB like a single enterprise in which the goal is good PvP fights. This is very different from two corps out to cause maximum misery to each other while minimizing their own ISK and time loss.
As a result, you get a lot of small fleet action (3-10 ships). There's also some 1v1 guys running around with reasonable success because it can take a minute for a fleet to arrive. Most people are flying T1 frigs, destroyers, and cruisers, although there are exceptions. You can basically fly what you want, but if you're in a fleet the FC will expect you to follow his rules. So if you want to chance your HAC, you'll probably have to do it solo.
When one fleet outnumbers the other, either the smaller fleet will get in bigger ships, or (more commonly) the larger fleet will "ship down" and get into smaller ships. A couple of nights ago we flew a rookie ship fleet and it was fun.
The red and blue corps are located 2 systems apart and near Dodixie. So you can find action easily, and you can buy replacement gear easily. There are two routes between the systems, so bottlenecking is less of an issue.
Nothing is against the rules, although some things are discouraged. Specialized ECM boats are discouraged since they can have a disproportionate effect on small T1 gang PVP. ECM modules on non-bonused ships and use of ECM drones is OK. Also, podding is discouraged, since the idea is to have fun and not create undue hostile emotions. Finally, station camping is not only discouraged, it's a bad idea when 10 enemies might log in and undock any second. Some temporary station sitting is common, but extended blockades are frowned upon. So a lot of fighting happens on gates, where docking games don't ruin it. Just be sure to understand gate/aggro mechanics and plan accordingly.
When the war is slow or third party targets are available, red and blue will form purple fleet and play cooperatively. There have been a few successful roams into 0.0 space with some nice kills resulting.
Conclusion: RvB is a lot of fun; do it while it lasts because it may not be here forever.
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Onimar Synn
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.08 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: ROXGenghis Edited by: ROXGenghis on 07/10/2009 20:15:37 I've been in RvB almost a week now. Every night there's fighting to be had. The FCs treat RvB like a single enterprise in which the goal is good PvP fights. This is very different from two corps out to cause maximum misery to each other while minimizing their own ISK and time loss.
As a result, you get a lot of small fleet action (3-10 ships). There's also some 1v1 guys running around with reasonable success because it can take a minute for a fleet to arrive. Most people are flying T1 frigs, destroyers, and cruisers, although there are exceptions. You can basically fly what you want, but if you're in a fleet the FC will expect you to follow his rules. So if you want to chance your HAC, you'll probably have to do it solo.
When one fleet outnumbers the other, either the smaller fleet will get in bigger ships, or (more commonly) the larger fleet will "ship down" and get into smaller ships. A couple of nights ago we flew a rookie ship fleet and it was fun.
The red and blue corps are located 2 systems apart and near Dodixie. So you can find action easily, and you can buy replacement gear easily. There are two routes between the systems, so bottlenecking is less of an issue.
Nothing is against the rules, although some things are discouraged. Specialized ECM boats are discouraged since they can have a disproportionate effect on small T1 gang PVP. ECM modules on non-bonused ships and use of ECM drones is OK. Also, podding is discouraged, since the idea is to have fun and not create undue hostile emotions. Finally, station camping is not only discouraged, it's a bad idea when 10 enemies might log in and undock any second. Some temporary station sitting is common, but extended blockades are frowned upon. So a lot of fighting happens on gates, where docking games don't ruin it. Just be sure to understand gate/aggro mechanics and plan accordingly.
When the war is slow or third party targets are available, red and blue will form purple fleet and play cooperatively. There have been a few successful roams into 0.0 space with some nice kills resulting.
Conclusion: RvB is a lot of fun; do it while it lasts because it may not be here forever.
This.
I must say that some camping and blobbing can happen. It's natural.
But, if it's not part of an overall "campaign for blood" where both sides have decent-sized fleets going, and we don't dissolve or down-ship on their own, the cmdrs from the corps are always more than willing to remind everyone of their misguided ways. And the method of reminding can vary.
Kind of like a game of Ice Hockey where they let them get in some good punches before the refs break up the fight :)
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Smokin Gunn
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:10:00 -
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RvB is fw+9000 |
Arwen Tyler
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Posted - 2009.10.08 06:04:00 -
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Yet all i see in the R-v-B channel is people moaning about one side or other blobbing the others station or people comming out to engage others in much bigger ships.
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Raimo
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.08 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 08/10/2009 06:22:27
Originally by: LarcatOfRens Been in FW for a while now. It is ok, but kinda blobby. MUCH more importantly, FW makes you just want to say **** sec status, I'm go pirate and go after all targets. FW is a tease. Targets everywhere but oh so few have the orange star.
How does RvB compare? Solo fights to be had? A place for frigs? Players willing to mentor more novice pvpers?
Thoughts?
RvB is for you m8. Others gave you a decent overview, I'll add that there are a lot of solo fights to be had, by roaming as well as arranged 1v1's, those are also very common (even between corpmates) and always honoured. It's really log in, undock, kill/die, dock straight up for repairs/reship and get back out. For once ship spinning is totally voluntary... Also the general attitude between the corps could be called "bloodthirsty comraderie", generally everyone treats each other with respect with the idea that RvB is one corp, there are just 2 corps to facilitate the permadec mechanic.
(FWIW I was with with WOLFY, all time top FW killing corp and was one of the top killers of Gallente militia for about a year and right now RvB is where it's at IMHO)
Originally by: Arwen Tyler Yet all i see in the R-v-B channel is people moaning about one side or other blobbing the others station or people comming out to engage others in much bigger ships.
Well, a lot of the banter is actually in local, and quite a bit of it is friendly or at least humorous in nature. Sure, balance is not always perfect and if you run solo you do risk running in to a gang that won't hesitate to engage but that's everyday EVE for you, ainnit? TBH the whines are mostly from some vocal individuals who might not quite "get" the concept...
Also, if the other side is foolish enough to camp the opposing HQ for longer(new and unskilled FCs might do it once in a while) the camped in side *will* try to gank them with the biggest **** they have, just due to the aggro/ dock mechanics and the fact that station camping is considered lame and is generally frowned upon. This is an instance where the "balanced fights" concept will be thrown out temporarily as asshats need lessons to mend their ways. ;)
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.10.08 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Arwen Tyler Yet all i see in the R-v-B channel is people moaning about one side or other blobbing the others station or people comming out to engage others in much bigger ships.
I guess the difference is that in FW, you'll get a pat on the back for blobbing the other side well, while with R-v-B chances are someone reminds you that the idea is to have a good fight.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.08 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 08/10/2009 07:58:46
Originally by: Arwen Tyler Yet all i see in the R-v-B channel is people moaning about one side or other blobbing the others station or people comming out to engage others in much bigger ships.
That's because all the fleet discussion happens in the corps or fleet channels for obvious reasons. Also you are grossly exaggerating.
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Kelshall
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:14:00 -
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To put it this way: I'm a three month old char. Been missioning for cash whilst training pvp related skills. Did the usual Eve Uni stint to get the basics of the game. Am now pretty happy with my understanding of how things work and how you fit ships. Decided to look for some pvp.
Joined Faction warfare for a week.
Was involved in a couple of fleets, but most of the fights were either us ganking small groups of ships or getting jumped by even larger groups of ships. Ship sizes varied from frigs all the way up to command ships and battleships. Despite the value of my mighty Vexor, I did kinda feel that I wasn't making much difference to the outcome, especially against 10+ battleship fleets with dual Guardian support. I think I totalled up about 5 or 6 kills in the week, which I was pretty happy with. Had to really look for them tho, soloing in a tech 1 frig/cruiser was a pretty hairy experience and I suspect that you have to be fairly experienced at Pvp to get to the best out of that.
Joined RvB three days ago.
Found that the RvB 'constellation' is a mad, target rich area where you can just hop around in a tech 1 fitted cruiser/frigate and pewpew. As previous posters mentioned, the idea is not to win, but to have good fights. In a Red fleet, I've shipped down to a noobship to encourage the opposition to fight but later shipped up to a battlecruser when their fleet started to get larger.
As well as that, I've had some pretty reasonable successes soloing in my Vexor. Targets are everywhere and more will arrive as soon as you sit still, along with more friendlies. Most people fly cheap and hardy anyone pods so people are willing to fight against the odds. Often hilariously so. The combined Red and Blue fleets have done a few nullsec roams (first time into 0.0 for me), sually ending in total helldeath, but it has been fantastic fun and a good introduction to the dangers of 0.0 - we were hotdropped by a bunch of carriers on one occasion... *looks at Huzzah*
This is RvB. You lose of a lot of ships, so fly cheap (my Vexor fits are about 10mil). You kill a load of enemy ships, so you get lots of pretty killmails - which for a new player is an awesome feeling. You can do it alone, or in a group with friendly (if insane) FCs to show you how. Either work. And best of all, the leaders of the two sides strive to keep it fair, so that the empahsis is on having a good fight and a laugh, not dominating the other side.
I haven't looked back.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:49:00 -
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Anyone made this connection?
In FW Caldaris follow their natural PvE inclination and farm the FW PvE sites.
In the meanwhile Gallente always wanted to Pew Pew without a PvE umbrealla around.
Result: Caldaris end up soloing and farming FW plexes forever and Gallente basically "left".
Gallente left and by playing RvB they are playing _their_ pew pew FW they always wanted and that real FW never given.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.10.08 11:19:00 -
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RvB is an abomination! I will lobby the powers that be to have it purged from EvE.
Fighting for fun? Cheap ships? Rules of conduct and war?
Evil I tell you, EVIL!
This is serious business dammit, not a playground!!!!11
Short version: RvB is FW with less RP and tedium.
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Florio
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.10.08 12:23:00 -
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Well you know what FW is about.
RvB is constant solo and small group fighting, plus occassional but no less regular small fleet fights. It's about duels that are honoured. It's about respect and friendship with pilots of both sides.
The thing which stands out for me personally about RvB is that the PvP is more about FC skill and individual piloting (RL) skill than about having an uber ship or a bigger gang. This is completely different from 0.0 fleet fights, empire war decs and FW, where most kills seem to be blobs or ganks.
If you're tired of not getting fights, tired of being blobbed or ganked or blobbing or ganking, tired of being on a killmail but not having made a significant difference to the fight, try RvB. If you're a PvP noob, there's plenty of vets on both sides more than happy to advise you directly or through example.
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Zanco Ceal
Amarr Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.10.08 12:35:00 -
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so you just apply to red or blue to get going
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Syekuda
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.10.08 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Anyone made this connection?
In FW Caldaris follow their natural PvE inclination and farm the FW PvE sites.
In the meanwhile Gallente always wanted to Pew Pew without a PvE umbrealla around.
Result: Caldaris end up soloing and farming FW plexes forever and Gallente basically "left".
Gallente left and by playing RvB they are playing _their_ pew pew FW they always wanted and that real FW never given.
WTF are you talking about
Its already been a week for me (10-12 days ??) and lots of time like 80% of the time all I see his Gallente ships running away from fights. On very few occasions i've seen Gallente fight. To those specific pilots, I respect you and thank you for bringing a good fight...or at least good fun
Hell, we go in nenn for example (among many others) to fight you but most of the time you station hug like crazy or you go AFK
I don't wanna be paranoid but bring it on. come to Tama. It doesn't take a spy to know but Tama is dirty right now. its full of BYDI and pirates so were pretty busy dying and winning here LMAO.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.08 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 08/10/2009 13:27:16
lol the irony.
We came into Tama last night and the Squiddies legged it into Nourvo.
We chased a squid fleet on Monday night and they ran like whipped curs back to the Nourv gate (they were still utterly decimated though).
I guess that's the 20% of the time when you're running away from us. Or are you running away form us 90% of the time? it *seems* like 90% of the time... I can make silly and unfounded statistics up too
Both sides will run from an engagement they don't think they can win... so please don't create the impression that it's only the Gallente that try to exercise discretion as the better part of valour as you lot do it just as much. Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Plead
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Posted - 2009.10.08 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 08/10/2009 13:27:16
tl;dr
Are you my father?!?
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.10.08 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Droog 1 on 08/10/2009 13:34:21
Originally by: Syekuda
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Anyone made this connection?
In FW Caldaris follow their natural PvE inclination and farm the FW PvE sites.
In the meanwhile Gallente always wanted to Pew Pew without a PvE umbrealla around.
Result: Caldaris end up soloing and farming FW plexes forever and Gallente basically "left".
Gallente left and by playing RvB they are playing _their_ pew pew FW they always wanted and that real FW never given.
WTF are you talking about
Its already been a week for me (10-12 days ??) and lots of time like 80% of the time all I see his Gallente ships running away from fights. On very few occasions i've seen Gallente fight. To those specific pilots, I respect you and thank you for bringing a good fight...or at least good fun
Hell, we go in nenn for example (among many others) to fight you but most of the time you station hug like crazy or you go AFK
I don't wanna be paranoid but bring it on. come to Tama. It doesn't take a spy to know but Tama is dirty right now. its full of BYDI and pirates so were pretty busy dying and winning here LMAO.
You only got 8 kills in 10-12 days? I got more than that in 1/2 hour with my Red alt.
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.10.08 13:36:00 -
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i have a secret Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
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Syekuda
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Droog 1 Edited by: Droog 1 on 08/10/2009 13:34:21
Originally by: Syekuda
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Anyone made this connection?
In FW Caldaris follow their natural PvE inclination and farm the FW PvE sites.
In the meanwhile Gallente always wanted to Pew Pew without a PvE umbrealla around.
Result: Caldaris end up soloing and farming FW plexes forever and Gallente basically "left".
Gallente left and by playing RvB they are playing _their_ pew pew FW they always wanted and that real FW never given.
WTF are you talking about
Its already been a week for me (10-12 days ??) and lots of time like 80% of the time all I see his Gallente ships running away from fights. On very few occasions i've seen Gallente fight. To those specific pilots, I respect you and thank you for bringing a good fight...or at least good fun
Hell, we go in nenn for example (among many others) to fight you but most of the time you station hug like crazy or you go AFK
I don't wanna be paranoid but bring it on. come to Tama. It doesn't take a spy to know but Tama is dirty right now. its full of BYDI and pirates so were pretty busy dying and winning here LMAO.
You only got 8 kills in 10-12 days? I got more than that in 1/2 hour with my Red alt.
1. I got a life so I cant stay logged over 6 hours. so less kills right there or less change of getting some 2. its not even 2 weeks that I joined FW. 3. Im new at pvp so im not the expert pvp'er 1337. besides, I've learned that fw is a bit different than 0.0.. but anyway. Im not the expert here 4. I do this for fun only...not statistics or bragging.
that aside we can go on with those stupid comments. all faction will retreat if they know they can't win...make complete sense so stop accusing Caldari that WE are only the ones that we flee. Believe me, I've seen gallente fly like theres no tomorrow. I've even tried to provoke some and they still didn't want to fight.
so again, **** off at your ranting cause its not working. Every faction or person will fly away if they know they will lose. besides, we got bydi and some other pirate corp that settle in so were pretty busy here.
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Kelshall
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Syekuda Every faction or person will fly away if they know they will lose.
There it is.
In FW, if you're gonna lose, you run away. FW stats are srs bzns.
In RvB, if you're gonna lose, you take down as many of the buggers as you can and come back in a noobship to loot the wrecks.
Guess which has more fights?
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Flashh Gorden
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Anyone made this connection?
In FW Caldaris follow their natural PvE inclination and farm the FW PvE sites.
In the meanwhile Gallente always wanted to Pew Pew without a PvE umbrealla around.
Result: Caldaris end up soloing and farming FW plexes forever and Gallente basically "left".
Gallente left and by playing RvB they are playing _their_ pew pew FW they always wanted and that real FW never given.
Learn your history.
The Gallante corp Foom pioneered plex fighting and capturing systems. They spanked the caldri hard and we were losing systems at an alarming rate. The Caldari FW corps were forced to work together. We learnt everything the Gallente taught us and we took it too a new level Once Foom departed nothing the Feds had too offer could match the caldari inside plexes. All the excuses that sprang up about plexing occured once the tide of war had shifted in our favour.
Despite it being said a thousand times it seems people have very short memories.
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Syekuda
1. I got a life so I cant stay logged over 6 hours. so less kills right there or less change of getting some 2. its not even 2 weeks that I joined FW. 3. Im new at pvp so im not the expert pvp'er 1337. besides, I've learned that fw is a bit different than 0.0.. but anyway. Im not the expert here 4. I do this for fun only...not statistics or bragging.
Then RvB is definitely for you.
Originally by: Syekuda
that aside we can go on with those stupid comments. all faction will retreat if they know they can't win...make complete sense so stop accusing Caldari that WE are only the ones that we flee. Believe me, I've seen gallente fly like theres no tomorrow. I've even tried to provoke some and they still didn't want to fight.
so again, **** off at your ranting cause its not working. Every faction or person will fly away if they know they will lose. besides, we got bydi and some other pirate corp that settle in so were pretty busy here.
So stop complaining about Gallente running away from you and join RvB.
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Nidhiesk
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Posted - 2009.10.08 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Droog 1
Originally by: Syekuda
1. I got a life so I cant stay logged over 6 hours. so less kills right there or less change of getting some 2. its not even 2 weeks that I joined FW. 3. Im new at pvp so im not the expert pvp'er 1337. besides, I've learned that fw is a bit different than 0.0.. but anyway. Im not the expert here 4. I do this for fun only...not statistics or bragging.
Then RvB is definitely for you.
Originally by: Syekuda
that aside we can go on with those stupid comments. all faction will retreat if they know they can't win...make complete sense so stop accusing Caldari that WE are only the ones that we flee. Believe me, I've seen gallente fly like theres no tomorrow. I've even tried to provoke some and they still didn't want to fight.
so again, **** off at your ranting cause its not working. Every faction or person will fly away if they know they will lose. besides, we got bydi and some other pirate corp that settle in so were pretty busy here.
So stop complaining about Gallente running away from you and join RvB.
mhh, I'll stay with Caldari. I'm perfectly fine where I am. I love killing gallente. I love the small fleet I do sometimes. Other times Im part of a large fleet and thats fine with me.
thanks for the invite but I don't want to go with RvB. I'm already busy as it is in Tama and the systems around
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.10.08 17:32:00 -
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RvB is definitely a huge step up from Caldari/Gallente FW. It doesn't involve huge massive blobs, and you can actually find fights 30s after undocking, instead of having to spend all evening patrolling black rise trying (vainly) to engage the fleeting gallente fleet that ends up jumping into Villore and logging off.
Since people are flying cheaper T1 ships, and both sides collaborate on getting good fights, I'm finding RVB much more enjoyable. Instead of both sides doing their utmost to avoid a fight unless they have a crushing advantage, as we see in FW, both sides are willing to jump in and fight even if it's remotely close.
I highly recommend it.
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Dr Lebroi
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Posted - 2009.10.08 17:45:00 -
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I think RvB is a great addition to Eve as it is providing something which has so far been lacking from the game i.e. a PVP playground and training area where new players can learn the skills needed to hang out with the big boys at a cost which will not be prohibitive.
FW is all very well but it was still introduced as a 'serious' feature which meant that the people taking part were always going to be mindful of their personal progress/stats etc. In this type of environment, new players were always going to be mercilessly destroyed by superior firepower/skills/rigging because destroying other player is the point.
RvB has an easy going atmosphere with what sometimes approaches a level playing field at least in terms of equipment. You still get the odd character hanging 300kms off a station asking for 1v1s in an innocent looking rifter that has been rigged and T2'd to the max. This guys just looking to murder newbs to pad his stats but luckily there are not too many of these.
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Syekuda
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.10.08 18:19:00 -
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Sure you get the massive blobs but in my case, I rather join a small fleet or create one and do some roaming in black rise or other neighbor regions and find people and kill them. I got good results at it too. It doesn't take hours and hours on end to find someone too.
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Raimo
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.08 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 08/10/2009 19:40:06
Originally by: Dr Lebroi
RvB has an easy going atmosphere with what sometimes approaches a level playing field at least in terms of equipment. You still get the odd character hanging 300kms off a station asking for 1v1s in an innocent looking rifter that has been rigged and T2'd to the max. This guys just looking to murder newbs to pad his stats but luckily there are not too many of these.
Just check character age before accepting if you're new. I don't know if I'm guilty of what you described, though actually one corpmate who has a quite new char wanted a 1v1 during a slow moment, we did it, I didn't even get to shields in my armor tanked T2 fit frigate of pwn! I saw the T1 loot, gave it back to him and gave some advice... He then wanted to do it again to test another fit! (Which indeed fared a bit better) My point is that I mainly 1v1 the other bitter vet with their mains or high SP alts and it's great fun.
Edit: Syekuda, sure it doesn't take hours and hours to find targets in Black Rise... But in Verge Vendor it doesn't take 5 minutes. :P Join the RvB carnage! |
Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.08 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Syekuda Sure you get the massive blobs but in my case, I rather join a small fleet or create one and do some roaming in black rise or other neighbor regions and find people and kill them. I got good results at it too. It doesn't take hours and hours on end to find someone too.
Well yes, everyone should be allowed to play the game they want to. I'm not sure comparing RvB and FW is that constructive as they have a totally different approach. I personally prefer RvB and its suits what I want but it wont suit everyone.
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