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Hairy RingPiece
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Posted - 2009.10.08 14:57:00 -
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My PC evidentally has the right to have dust on it. It's dusty as ****, perpetually.
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kongking wang
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:01:00 -
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ccp wants new blood and releasing it on pc doesnt add many. its right up there with their profit. they say it all the time. they want to increase there fan base and populations. pc doesnt do that.
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Gehnster
Gallente Boundless Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia I see many people moaning complaining about, they pay for EVE and CCP using their money to develope a game they wont be able to use etc etc
First off wake up, its not your money once CCP has it so you have no right to say what they do with it..
Second, CCP have a right to spend their profits on whatever they want, even god forbid developing a version of hello kitty online, its their money, not yours
Finally, I find it really disturbing the amount of people who feel they have a right to dictate what CCP can do outside of EVE, although DUST is connnected to EVE it is a seperate game, and an attempt to open up a new audience, bring in more cash, which will help CCP fund more projects, and perhaps upgrade EVE further.
CCP is just expanding, like any business should, would you really complain about your favourite brand of soft drink developing a new drink that you wont be able to drink due to an allergy? JUst complaining because you have paid for the other drink and therefore think you are paying for the developement of this new one?
Generally I think we all should sit tight and shut the hell up, and see what happens, if DUST works, it will be good for EVE, if it doesnt, CCP can easily fix it, or even remove it and survive
/end rant
Your rant doesn't even address your topic, lol.
I've not heard anyone say the first second and third things you said but I definitely haven't said that and never would. They are developing a game we can use, we just might not be able to use it on a PC, get it right.
Finally, you NEVER address WHY we don't have a right to have Dust on the PC. That IS your topic, that is NOT what you address in it. In your post you should have addressed reasons why we don't have a right to a PC version of Dust because that IS what your topic states it is about. Your topic doesn't state that we don't have a right to dictate to CCP how they run their business.
fail thread. and fail posters before me for not realizing this HUGE difference.
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:16:00 -
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While I agree in principle with the OP, the consolization of first person shooters is history's greatest monster.
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Winters Chill
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Governor LePetomane While I agree in principle with the OP, the consolization of first person shooters is history's greatest monster.
In your opinion; Bungies bank account says otherwise.
The console FPS is gamings biggest success story, sorry its not indie and underground enough for you.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Winters Chill
Originally by: Governor LePetomane While I agree in principle with the OP, the consolization of first person shooters is history's greatest monster.
In your opinion; Bungies bank account says otherwise.
The console FPS is gamings biggest success story, sorry its not indie and underground enough for you.
Being successful doesn't stop it from being a monster. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Winters Chill
Originally by: Governor LePetomane While I agree in principle with the OP, the consolization of first person shooters is history's greatest monster.
In your opinion; Bungies bank account says otherwise.
The console FPS is gamings biggest success story, sorry its not indie and underground enough for you.
Ghengis Khan was also highly successful.
And it's not whether it's "indie or underground" that bothers me. Q3 wasn't either of those things. It's quite simply that the console FPS is a wildly inferior product.
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thesonarnet
Gallente Awesomeness Factor 5
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia
... First off wake up, its not your money once CCP has it so you have no right to say what they do with it..
Second, CCP have a right to spend their profits on whatever they want, even god forbid developing a version of hello kitty online, its their money, not yours ...
That's just an amazingly stupid argument sorry.
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Persephone Asphodel
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Persephone Asphodel on 08/10/2009 15:39:06
Originally by: Gehnster fail thread. and fail posters before me for not realizing this HUGE difference.
NO U FAIL FOR NOT SEEING I SAID THE SAME THING ON PAGE ONE hurrrrrrrrrrrrr
edit:caps
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Matthew97
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:43:00 -
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After asking a GM on mIRC i got along the lines of the following:
CCP have released it on console as consoles are harder to hack They want to have a division between EVE and DUST They are NOT ruling out the possibility of it coming to the PC, if they can find a way to make it hard to hack it proberly will.
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brutoid
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Governor LePetomane the consolization of first person shooters is history's greatest monster.
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Gehnster
Gallente Boundless Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Winters Chill
Originally by: Governor LePetomane While I agree in principle with the OP, the consolization of first person shooters is history's greatest monster.
In your opinion; Bungies bank account says otherwise.
The console FPS is gamings biggest success story, sorry its not indie and underground enough for you.
Halo was originally being made for the PC only chief. The Microsoft bought Bungie and they said it was going to be XBOX only.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx Dust will come to PC after CCP has extracted all the profit they can from the console player base. They said it at fanfest; its not rocket science. They are reaching out to another crowd, expanding their market, diversifying. Once they start not making as big of profits as they'd like with the console, Dust will come to PC, its only logical. They will tap that market; but first they are going to exhaust all possible profits from the console community and see how they do with that.
Common sense.
Yeah, this pretty much. At least we'll get the multiply updated and less buggy version...
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Persephone Asphodel
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Persephone Asphodel on 08/10/2009 16:17:21
Originally by: Gehnster
Originally by: Winters Chill
Originally by: Governor LePetomane While I agree in principle with the OP, the consolization of first person shooters is history's greatest monster.
In your opinion; Bungies bank account says otherwise.
The console FPS is gamings biggest success story, sorry its not indie and underground enough for you.
Halo was originally being made for the PC only chief. The Microsoft bought Bungie and they said it was going to be XBOX only.
edit: stupid 5 minute thing ruined my post...
was just thinking it was orinigally for mac but could easily be wrong. not wanting to trample on some argumentative geeks toes
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero CCP wants to create a physical divide between Dust players and Eve players. Thats the reason they are focusing on Consoles.
The Physical divide being Dusties will be hormonal foulmouthed self entitled pre-teens, as opposed to the average EVE player; pick one from skeletal or obese then choose from alcoholism, wife aggro or mental disability.
Rite?
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
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DJ Geist
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Anslo 0/10
0/15 for Anslo
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:43:00 -
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I may not have the right to have DUST on my PC, but I still do. Good luck getting it off my PC, I've been trying for years. _________
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Tae'Lin Hynd
Golden Horse Trading Company Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:52:00 -
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FPS belongs on consoles anyway, all you broke *****es cryin bout having a console game, man up. Only thing that would make me mad, is if it is a microsoft release, only coming out on the xbox.. At that point I say man up the Pitchforks and lets burn these bastards!!!
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Katsuri Minamoto
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Posted - 2009.10.08 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Katsuri Minamoto on 08/10/2009 20:44:55 The good thing about the unreal engine and xbox is, if you're making the game for one platform, it's really really easy to ship it on the other.
I would expect a PC port to come out several months after the console version ships. Once the sell in for console is finished, it would make most sense to inject more revenue by launching on the PC for a second wave. People don't usually buy console games after a few months from their release window.
I have to admit, it will be very cool to play this on console, and I'm looking forward to it. But this product won't be able to reach its true potential until it launches on the PC. Pushing version updates through microsofts pipe is very costly, and has lots and lots of limitations and their model suggests that many updates and support will be required to achieve their ambitions.
Trust me, its not a matter of "IF" it comes out on PC, it really is just a matter of "WHEN". CCP knows this, and its not in their best interest to tell everyone this as it could impact initial sales on the console, and that is afterall, the primary goal of this project. They have investors to please, so they need to hit at least a million copies.
If you love this kind of thing, be prepared to buy this twice! Once on the console, to show the world this works... And once again on the PC, to show yourself it works ;)
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Nigel Sheldon
Caldari Skaro Mining Reborn
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Posted - 2009.10.08 20:48:00 -
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people will complain itŠs in their nature to whine whine and cry cry... I for one welcome the idea of dust being a console game only...it isnŠt going to come with a subscription fee so that is good. Only time will tell if it will come onto pc. But for all the people complaining that they want to jump out of their ship and indulge in some ground combat are out of their minds. It has been said time and time again that a capsuleer has no skills to be able to do this, it would be like being a grunt in the army being told, hey just pop into this f16 and ride fire....insta pawned. I wonŠt be playing dust as its not my thing, however I shall rule over some planets with a iron fist!!!!
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Katsuri Minamoto
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Posted - 2009.10.08 20:58:00 -
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Exactly...
What is most ironic is, the disposition the EVE community has already adopted as a whole is not to far from the normal elitist human notion expressed very often in communities with divisions of armed forces. Where that, educated, and enabled wings look down upon the grunt/ground and pound arm of the military.
That whole "Fleet flies, and M.I. Dies" thing from starship troopers is oh so true...
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Quinn Foute
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Posted - 2009.10.08 21:01:00 -
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the argument that they made it for consoles because then people could not hack it is hilarious. there allready tons of hacks on xbox360
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.08 21:05:00 -
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We can have dust on the pc at a later date. I think counterstrike players would make a great addition to our universe. --------------------------
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illford baker
Pilots of Damnation death from above..
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Posted - 2009.10.08 21:51:00 -
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i am not saying they don't have the right, i am saying its not right that they only release it on the suck box and the lame station. mostly because i dont like the controller, i prefer a mouse keyboard with my fatality headset. we know that there will be few non eve players getting dust, and not every eve player owns a game console, but we do know for sure that every eve player owns a computer, they are shooting themselves in the foot here by limiting their max playerbase for dust.
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Katsuri Minamoto
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Posted - 2009.10.08 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: illford baker e know that there will be few non eve players getting dust, and not every eve player owns a game console, but we do know for sure that every eve player owns a computer, they are shooting themselves in the foot here by limiting their max playerbase for dust.
They're not shooting themselves in the foot. In fact, they're doing the opposite. They're going to not tell anyone its coming out on PC until after sales on the console subside, then they'll launch on PC and probably get a nice chunk who have it on console to buy in again!
If it is indeed the unreal engine, they can outsource it to a small team of programmers and have a working version on the PC a couple of months after it hits the console. The return on the cost of investing in porting it to PC is simply too HUGE to ignore.
The entire PC market is actually very small compared to console, however, CCP and EVE in general already has a strong built in core audience. This coupled with the fact that even outside its audience the product commands respect (people that don't play eve often "respect" it, they just find it to friggin boring), means it will be a number 1 release on the PC guaranteed that quarter (unless a WoW expansion comes out along side it). Trust me, non-eve players want in on all that drama they read about that the EVE community has, they just don't like the learning curve. A Shooter makes it super easy to attach!
Like I said, its not "IF", its "WHEN".
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Volir
Dot.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia I see many people moaning complaining about, they pay for EVE and CCP using their money to develope a game they wont be able to use etc etc
First off wake up, its not your money once CCP has it so you have no right to say what they do with it..
Second, CCP have a right to spend their profits on whatever they want, even god forbid developing a version of hello kitty online, its their money, not yours
Finally, I find it really disturbing the amount of people who feel they have a right to dictate what CCP can do outside of EVE, although DUST is connnected to EVE it is a seperate game, and an attempt to open up a new audience, bring in more cash, which will help CCP fund more projects, and perhaps upgrade EVE further.
CCP is just expanding, like any business should, would you really complain about your favourite brand of soft drink developing a new drink that you wont be able to drink due to an allergy? JUst complaining because you have paid for the other drink and therefore think you are paying for the developement of this new one?
Generally I think we all should sit tight and shut the hell up, and see what happens, if DUST works, it will be good for EVE, if it doesnt, CCP can easily fix it, or even remove it and survive
/end rant
I like turtles
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necrosia demora
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Posted - 2009.10.08 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: necrosia demora on 08/10/2009 23:33:21 eve is eve
dust is dust
2 seperate games
there is a difference being that dust is designed not for the eve fanbase but for the console fps fanbase. sure some eve players will play it but but not as much as people might think. just look at all the forums to see peoples views on eve currently. allot dont want any change at all, some play eve for its sit back and relax approach, some just like flying space ships. dust doesnt provide what they want.
through a few alliance talks i have gathered a rather negative view about dust from them. my corp for instance out of nearly 100 guys there are only about 2 or 3 that want to play it inc me. just because you are a fan of eve doesnt mean your a fan of fps games. if you were you would be playing cod:waw and various other. this is how i gather ccp feels about this too hence the console release.
the biggest fps fanbase is on console and they understand this and that is why it is on console that game is going to be produced. saying that they should do pc instead is just a waste of time and money as most who currently play eve have no interest in it. sure they will be interested in aspects which involve them but as for the fps part it has no appeal. just because you are a fan of a genre doesnt mean your going to want to be in every part of it.
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Angelice
Minmatar Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:22:00 -
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I don't think it is a good idea to have Dust 514 on PC alongside a console version. It sucks I know but there is one very good reason not to make a PC version:
The PC community cannot play with the console community, not because it is technically impossible, but because the PC players would be at a distinct advantage in terms of control over their character.
The only scenario where I can see Dust 514 on PC is if it can also be played on the consoles with a keyboard and mouse or if the PC players are separated from the console players.
"To see the right and not to do it is cowardice." - Confucius
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Max Torps
Gallente Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:44:00 -
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The thing is, the argument is not about rights. CCP have stated they want to break into a new market to gain an expanded playerbase who like the idea of the Eve setting but want to play on a console.
It's a very good business decision. Diversification is the key word here and it's what all good businesses do to expand when they have the solid infrastructure and capacity to do so.
Having the Dust players and Eve players interact on the same MMO is a very brave move and one that will likely be echoed by other game companies in the future where possible. At Fanfest the devs stated that the interaction with sovereignty will be minimal at first to avoid major disruption but will eventually progress as they learn how players are reacting and using the tools in both games.
When pressed, they did not deny that there would be a PC version, but again stated that the move was designed to bing in more revenue and expand the community as a whole. They also stated that Eve will receive a lot of love in the coming months to help expand our playerbase and I can't see anything wrong in that to be honest. @MaxTorps
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ShadowGod56
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: 0August0 If the OP is so up on business practices then he ought to know about businesses number one rule:
"The customer is always right"
that's food business, unless i missed something I'm rather sure CCP didn't start giving out happy meals.
also the number one rule of a business is to make more money.
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