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DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.10 20:45:00 - [1] This is Proton Power, this is my only active account right now. Ray for people like myself a bit slower, I understand that it looks like Mr H made 90bil in fake deposits, but how do you know they are fake. I just took some medicaiton and only slept about 3hrs last night, so maybe I just didn't understand this atm. Per the savings account deal. He also opened one for me after no more accounts were to be created, but this was pretty much done across the board for everyone that I know of. Anyone find it funny if this is true that he belonged to Kia who also got what a 250bil isk unsecured loan to rob and then also stole another titan from another honest member that was working with Ricdic to get himself a titan built? Sounds to me like kia made out well in this deal. ---- Per Anastasa (Wrong spelling sorry), This is one of the people I constantly asked whats going on with when I was on the BOD. Rarely present, seemed to just go with what everyone else was going with, and just absent. Did start a bpo project but I left soon after so can't say what happend with that. Now one thing I am not sure if I would hold against him is that he is just doing what your doing in a sense, holding up isk. No differant as pointed out above when a scammer bought my shares from cos, and cos never sent the shares. He is just protecting his assets, can't blame him.
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.10 20:53:00 - [2] Edited by: DeathGrip on 10/10/2009 20:54:17 Comment that leads into Question - As you know I have been on the forums saying that Ebank has lost a lot more isk than just the deficit. It has lost all profits Ebank has ever made as well. Did Mr H have anything to do with selling off assets for liquidaiton purposes when Ebank had it's run or did he have access to those assets. I ask this because I know TXD had a lot more isk value in assets than what I see to have been accounted for, and it seems to me that they went missing, maybe some on banned ric accounts, but maybe some were liquidated just the isk not given to Ebank maybe a personal account? Did anyone account for everything in TXD before all the assets were sold off by LOW? Edit: Not saying LOW did this, saying maybe Mr H or somone else took some of the assets and kept them for themselfs and LOW didn't get a chance to sell them.
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.10 21:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 10/10/2009 20:54:17 Comment that leads into Question - As you know I have been on the forums saying that Ebank has lost a lot more isk than just the deficit. It has lost all profits Ebank has ever made as well. Did Mr H have anything to do with selling off assets for liquidaiton purposes when Ebank had it's run or did he have access to those assets. I ask this because I know TXD had a lot more isk value in assets than what I see to have been accounted for, and it seems to me that they went missing, maybe some on banned ric accounts, but maybe some were liquidated just the isk not given to Ebank maybe a personal account? Did anyone account for everything in TXD before all the assets were sold off by LOW? Edit: Not saying LOW did this, saying maybe Mr H or somone else took some of the assets and kept them for themselfs and LOW didn't get a chance to sell them. I'll field this one as I have the most knowledge in regards to TXD. LoW was never in charge of liquidating TXD assets nor was LoW ever in possession of TXD assets. LoW was helping with the liquidation of Anastasia's venture. I am in charge of the TXD liquidation and have been since the Ricdic incident. I was the director in TXD in charge of keeping an eye on the operations much like other BoD alts were in other ventures as a "just in case" option. When Ricdic pulled his runner I grabbed all the TXD assets as well as the Titan BPO's to prevent Ricdic from getting his hands on any of them. (The Titan's were locked down but he initiated a vote to unlock them and even though we all voted no they still unlocked due to a bug, which is why i grabbed them). In regards to the TXD valuation, that process isn't complete yet due to the location of some of the assets. As you know, since we've talked about it before, a large quantity and unknown value of assets were lost due to the Ricdic banning. Hope that answers some of your questions. So Mr H had no access to any of the TXD stuff prior to it being accounted? This is really the main question I was asking above.
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.11 10:28:00 - [4] Originally by: Athre Originally by: DeathGrip Per the savings account deal. He also opened one for me after no more accounts were to be created, but this was pretty much done across the board for everyone that I know of. Excuse me? I did not hear of this being given to anyone post of the cut off date. I mean I know the button was there but I never gave someone nor did I hear of anyone ask or receiving such. This is quite news to me. WTF. Quote: He(Anastasia) is just protecting his assets, can't blame him. It is in poor form to not hold ones self to the same constraints that one would hold others. I disagree with your stance on this. I am pretty sure you knew about the first part, but I can't prove it atm, but still looking. -- I agree to your second part, but it's also in poor form to hold up trillions of isk that belong to other people because you as the BOD had zero clue of what was going on with isk for over a year now. Why was nobody else in TXD watching what ricdic was doing? Why was nobody watching the deposits that were coming through? I thought Lavista's job was to ensure that those type of frauds didn't happen, atleast from memory that was someone's job. You can attack me and said I did the same thing, but I can atleast say I was watching what ricidc was doing, and at the same time making reports on problem area's I saw consistantly until I left. Just like the bad loans Ebank was giving out, I think I was the only person to work any of those for 3 months maybe longer? This was not so much on you Athre since I don't think you were BOD at the time, but soon after you were, why was the Bad loans still not taken care of? Nobody including myself and including you was clean in this entire dealing, we could have all done more to prevent some of the things that had happend. The only 2 exceptions may be Shar as he tried to tell people and left Ebank prior to many issue's, and Ray since he just joined in on this mess. I do disagree with how he is trying to oust Anastasia though since many people would have done the same. I am surprised more of your people that owe you in loans don't do the same tbh, your not paying your investors why should they pay you.
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.11 11:12:00 - [5] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: DeathGrip I agree to your second part, but it's also in poor form to hold up trillions of isk that belong to other people because you as the BOD had zero clue of what was going on with isk for over a year now. So what would you have done? Let a run on the bank take place, meaning that 50% of the customers would lose all their ISK? Quote: I thought Lavista's job was to ensure that those type of frauds didn't happen No. I only dealt with RMT "fraud". Without knowing all details; I would have came up with a way to offer customers that want out a way out, and those that want to stay in, continue to do so. Now I am sure your new plan a few months later will be just this, if not I will be even more surprised. But it should not have taken a few months to come up with this plan. --- Who was in charge of watching the deposits/withdraws/ and tellers then? I know somone was in charge just don't recall who specificaly.
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.11 11:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: Nobody including myself and including you was clean in this entire dealing, Well, the meme was: "we are a private institution..." About Anastasia and those defending the "theft". When you are a broker (EBANK played many effective - yet not named - roles including this) of some sort you get to know insider information. Those taking advantage of insider information (if catched ofc) are incriminated. Description Basically, you screwed up along with other people. You take it like a man and go down like them. Not flee like a scared lizard, leveraging on information and powers no outsider had. I have always disagree'd with the "Private" thing. I have argued against it on these forums, while being flamed by the same people that are now saying they want there isk back. What is Ebanks policy on the Private business now?
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.11 14:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Leneerra Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: DeathGrip Without knowing all details; I would have came up with a way to offer customers that want out a way out, and those that want to stay in, continue to do so. So you are saying that you would have rushed a buy-out offer before a full audit was done, meaning that people who wanted out right away would have lost an extra 5-10%, which has now been uncovered and accounted for? The watching of deposits and withdrawals you refer to is the work I did to try and analyze RMT on the fly. As you would also know, I had to step down fairly shortly after, because of issues with RL. Had you offered us that option it would have been our choice too make. You do not have to protect us from our own stupid mistakes. Investing with ebank has approxemately cost me 50 to 60% of the isk I deposited, that has by far been my worst investment in eve. It would have been awesome to have had the option to bug out over a month ago at a 55 to 65% loss. PS I chose the term investing on purpose because basically that is what you turned it into. Agre with the above 150%. Also you mention I may gain 5-10% do to a 3 month audit, lets see, if I had a savings account that is 3% per month = 9% loss. So I wait 3mths to get 1% at best more isk? I understand you may actually find 20% or even 100%, but that is a chance investors make not the bank. Well atleast should be.
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.11 15:17:00 - [8] Want to make another point, Customer A) wants his isk now and soon as you offer it say at 40%, he accepts, he already lost 3mths of interst so really he is only getting 31%. Customer B) waits a year to get full return, but that is interest free, meaning he loses 36% interest + compound. So he actually only gets about 60%. In the end everyone is losing a major chunk of isk no matter what you do.
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.11 15:41:00 - [9] So Ebank says it will listen to other idea's, I get into an MSN convo wiht Ray today after taling with LV for some time, we disagreed some but had a reasonable discussion. I first asked why it is taking so long and the answer i get is because it does. I then ask how I or anyone else can help, get told I am not a customer and to STFU. Glad they are listning and open for suggestions and help.
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.11 16:01:00 - [10] Originally by: SentryRaven Originally by: DeathGrip So Ebank says it will listen to other idea's, I get into an MSN convo wiht Ray today after taling with LV for some time, we disagreed some but had a reasonable discussion. I first asked why it is taking so long and the answer i get is because it does. I then ask how I or anyone else can help, get told I am not a customer and to STFU. Glad they are listning and open for suggestions and help. Hehehe Proton. Made me laugh quite some. I have the discussion saved if you like to see it. YOu have me on MSN just ask. At first I was attacking Ebank to LV, then LV made a good point its easy to point fingers so then I started asking why and how others could help. He said to ask Ray, I did so and well was told to STFU. So that leaves me to only pointing fingers.
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.11 16:46:00 - [11] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Skarii TuThess The point that many people are trying to make is that they are not being told anything and they are not being given any choice. If people want to wothdraw early and risk losing any extra ISK found in an audit then it is there choice to do so surely? In my opinion, the success of the recovery comes down to how close to 100% we give back to the customers. Of course, people might be able to make the ISK back faster themself. But we are cheating customers by giving them a buy-back offer that's not representative of the value of EBANK at present. And before a full overview is had over EBANK, we can't make a fair offer. Is it you cant or your worried to many people will take ebank up on it and then you may have to liquidate further than you like hurting your chances to recover the lost isk of the people that want to stick it out?
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.11 17:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Ray McCormack I was watching the President's Cup today, and the commentator was critizing a player's choice of putting line. He then said something quite pertinent, he admitted he was up in the booth whilst the player was down on the green and things might be quite different for him. So it may be easy to shout your opinion from the sideline, crying out about the idiots in charge, but realise things are quite different when you're in the position that requires the decisions to be made. You could always man up and make the differences you're so vehemently crying for, we're recruiting. I asked a quesiton to see if I could help, and was told to STFU. So maybe you should go look at the convo again.
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.12 15:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Laruant Wiggins This scam is still running? Is there a single list of current and former directors and employees?(alts too) Don't want to do business with any of them. Myself, Proton Power, Evalf, Aandaan, Chris Smith. Please add these to your list, I won't bother adding you to mine ;)
DeathGrip Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.12 23:25:00 - [14] Originally by: SentryRaven Originally by: Tesal If no else one knows, I assume KIA leadership does because they would need to know that before they let them in the alliance. Yup. :) Why would Kia leadership care, they stole 250bil isk from Ebank as well, or did you all forget that part?

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