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Leneerra
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.11 07:38:00 -
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I am getting less and less impressed with the former organization of ebank.
Having a system included in their software to hack deposits, and apearantly using that system to administer deposits kept out of the normal accounting system (at best) or to outright create fake ones is worriesome.
Having no real internal affairs person thus not noting such irregular deposits by one of the people that as far as I understand wrote at least part of the software within any reasoneble timeframe is outright fail.
I am also not very impressed with the imformation that is coming out on how ventures were being run and administered.
It is sad to see people debate whether someone that ran a multi billion venture for ebank for many months and only returned the principal is a thief.
Even disregarding taking their own account balance this person has clearly shown their inabillity to run any kind of public venture.
That that person does not feel bound by the same rules that he or she helped impose on others is just another example to prove that they are unfit to be trusted with other peoples isk.
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Leneerra
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.11 13:57:00 -
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 Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: DeathGrip
Without knowing all details; I would have came up with a way to offer customers that want out a way out, and those that want to stay in, continue to do so.
So you are saying that you would have rushed a buy-out offer before a full audit was done, meaning that people who wanted out right away would have lost an extra 5-10%, which has now been uncovered and accounted for?
The watching of deposits and withdrawals you refer to is the work I did to try and analyze RMT on the fly. As you would also know, I had to step down fairly shortly after, because of issues with RL.
Had you offered us that option it would have been our choice too make. You do not have to protect us from our own stupid mistakes.
Investing with ebank has approxemately cost me 50 to 60% of the isk I deposited, that has by far been my worst investment in eve.
It would have been awesome to have had the option to bug out over a month ago at a 55 to 65% loss.
PS I chose the term investing on purpose because basically that is what you turned it into.
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Leneerra
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.11 22:31:00 -
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Lecherito,
To my knowledge Ray has only forbidden selling of ebank isk to repay outstanding loans.
They specifically allow speculation on ebank isk in accounts hoping to use that to liquidate those people's accounts that wish their isk returned as far as possible.
They are accepting suggestions/modifications on idears on using the isk locked in ebank commercially.
I am still impressed with the willingness of these people to dig trough the stuff we trow in their general direction as well as the dedication they show in trying to solve most of it.
Dear ebank,
What you seem to fail to accept is that you will never be able to return me all the isk you owe me. You have repeatedly stated that returning the open account balances fully will be considered full repayment.
Please understand that even if you manage to repay me that so called full balance in 10 months you would still have scammed me for the interest I should have gotten under your own terms of service. Besides that, you offer no further compensation for removing my opton to withdraw my isk. you basically turned my deposit into an x month 0% bond with a one-sided fixed term.
Accep that you cannot ever repay me fully untill you ask me what I would find accepteble as compensation for your tos change.
Arguing about what you think is full recovery serves no purpose untill you give us accountholders a say in what full recovery is.
I know you cannot repay me my full account balance now, but you will not be able to pay me what I see as my full account balance in a year anyway. I take a loss either way. why cant I choose what loss to accept and when to accept it.
Even if you can only offer me 20 cents to each isk just give us the option to choose what we want to do with our own isk.
PS Ray,
I am very happy you have ceased your sarcastic jokes.
While I understand you got hot dropped into a ****hole. Your remarks damaged ebank, your collegues and yourself much more than any of those deserved.
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Leneerra
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.12 18:04:00 -
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Hexx,
With the published numbers I am currently not tempted to sell at 20% maybe somewhere in the next 3 weeks this will change, who knows.
However I am not tempted to raise cosmoray's bid either, nor have I seen anyone else making a higher bid. Maybe that is food for thought to the people in ebank, It most certainly is for me.
I know I own no part of ebank, they just owe me some isk.
What gets me worked up to post time and time again is some of he statements that are issued by ebank and its employees.
And I am not even talking about the stupid jokes by Ray, but statements where they claim to have had no formal request to withdraw after making extremely clear that we are not going to get our isk returned untill they feel ready for it and trying to use that 'fact' to prove their customer loyalty.
Or claiming that they will have returned me all my isk if they keep it at 0% intrest for a period that is probably longer than a year before handing it back.
Or when they finally admit they actually had no idear where all the money was that we (stupidly) entrusted to them and needed roughly 2 months to dig trough al the records, as far as those exist, to discover how much they actually have and where it ended up.
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Leneerra
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:01:00 -
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Anastasia Heron,
Ray already stated pretty much what you have proclaimed here yourself.
While I understand your choice I do not think taking your isk under the circumstances was appropriate.
In addittion, If I read your admission correctly you state that you:
- are unable to turn a decent profit with over 10B in public moneys over a period of at least 6 months
- were Uninformed about what was going on in the organisation where you were a board member.
- Feel little or ignore the responsibility for the situation, the organisation you were a part of, is in.
And you still manage to see yourself as a "worker bee"...
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