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DeathGrip
Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.10 20:45:00 -
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This is Proton Power, this is my only active account right now.
Ray for people like myself a bit slower, I understand that it looks like Mr H made 90bil in fake deposits, but how do you know they are fake. I just took some medicaiton and only slept about 3hrs last night, so maybe I just didn't understand this atm.
Per the savings account deal. He also opened one for me after no more accounts were to be created, but this was pretty much done across the board for everyone that I know of.
Anyone find it funny if this is true that he belonged to Kia who also got what a 250bil isk unsecured loan to rob and then also stole another titan from another honest member that was working with Ricdic to get himself a titan built? Sounds to me like kia made out well in this deal. ---- Per Anastasa (Wrong spelling sorry), This is one of the people I constantly asked whats going on with when I was on the BOD. Rarely present, seemed to just go with what everyone else was going with, and just absent. Did start a bpo project but I left soon after so can't say what happend with that.
Now one thing I am not sure if I would hold against him is that he is just doing what your doing in a sense, holding up isk. No differant as pointed out above when a scammer bought my shares from cos, and cos never sent the shares. He is just protecting his assets, can't blame him.
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Xious
Caldari Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.10 20:53:00 -
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I can't honestly see a position for Ebank to become what it once was. In saying that, I do hope the EBank guys manage to set things straight and it is good to see them acting in a professional manner.
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DeathGrip
Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.10 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: DeathGrip on 10/10/2009 20:54:17 Comment that leads into Question -
As you know I have been on the forums saying that Ebank has lost a lot more isk than just the deficit. It has lost all profits Ebank has ever made as well.
Did Mr H have anything to do with selling off assets for liquidaiton purposes when Ebank had it's run or did he have access to those assets. I ask this because I know TXD had a lot more isk value in assets than what I see to have been accounted for, and it seems to me that they went missing, maybe some on banned ric accounts, but maybe some were liquidated just the isk not given to Ebank maybe a personal account?
Did anyone account for everything in TXD before all the assets were sold off by LOW?
Edit: Not saying LOW did this, saying maybe Mr H or somone else took some of the assets and kept them for themselfs and LOW didn't get a chance to sell them.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.10.10 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 10/10/2009 20:54:17 Comment that leads into Question -
As you know I have been on the forums saying that Ebank has lost a lot more isk than just the deficit. It has lost all profits Ebank has ever made as well.
Did Mr H have anything to do with selling off assets for liquidaiton purposes when Ebank had it's run or did he have access to those assets. I ask this because I know TXD had a lot more isk value in assets than what I see to have been accounted for, and it seems to me that they went missing, maybe some on banned ric accounts, but maybe some were liquidated just the isk not given to Ebank maybe a personal account?
Did anyone account for everything in TXD before all the assets were sold off by LOW?
Edit: Not saying LOW did this, saying maybe Mr H or somone else took some of the assets and kept them for themselfs and LOW didn't get a chance to sell them.
I'll field this one as I have the most knowledge in regards to TXD. LoW was never in charge of liquidating TXD assets nor was LoW ever in possession of TXD assets. LoW was helping with the liquidation of Anastasia's venture.
I am in charge of the TXD liquidation and have been since the Ricdic incident. I was the director in TXD in charge of keeping an eye on the operations much like other BoD alts were in other ventures as a "just in case" option. When Ricdic pulled his runner I grabbed all the TXD assets as well as the Titan BPO's to prevent Ricdic from getting his hands on any of them. (The Titan's were locked down but he initiated a vote to unlock them and even though we all voted no they still unlocked due to a bug, which is why i grabbed them).
In regards to the TXD valuation, that process isn't complete yet due to the location of some of the assets. As you know, since we've talked about it before, a large quantity and unknown value of assets were lost due to the Ricdic banning. Hope that answers some of your questions.
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Robbers Dog
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Posted - 2009.10.10 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson My understanding of what sandbox means is letting players do what they want and can within limits of the game. If you want CCP to add a bank to the game, then you're taking away the potential for players to come up with something like that on their own.
what, you mean you take away their potential to scam billions of internetz moneyz on the pretext of the earnest desire to play bank???
you already have a bank. its called your wallet. you buy stuff, you sell stuff and it all gets magically credited to it, and it even keeps detailed transaction records of everything you do with it, you can pay your bills with it, you can buy your stuff with it in shops all over Eve. its better than space mastercard and you dont even have to enter your pin.
Its also better than 100% of all player run banks in that whilst you don't get a ponzi promise of 3 percent interest, you also don't get it all stolen and spent on phat lootz by a bunch of carebear charlatans trying to play lehman robbers. In that respect Eves own wallet bank has made you at least 100% return on your original investment, which is about 100% more than ray&theembezzlers have managed.
amazing! free banking courtesy of CCP.
what staggers me about this is if people either:
A: believe a word Ray&puppet vista vista XP has to say ever again B: is prepared to bravely "fight on for a eve banking system that works!" because 3% of your isk, well you could retire on it! and thats the whole point of Eve, securing your retirement. C: trusts anyone who RP's to this extent to cover up a bigger flagrant theft than all the jita scams + guiding hand shenanigans put together.
Face it eve'rs, you have been had, and for all their earnest talk and misdirection by Ray and his gang of earnest thieves, far from saving your internet moniez the perpetrators are busy scheming on how to perpetrate an even bigger scam to be the only "honest bank in eve and therefore get some way of rip off the entire playerbase" in order to sell nuff isk on ebay to buy a lamborghini and hookahs.
Ray, Vista McVista, i don't know which is sadder, that you dont just come clean and admit you are spending all the lolly on quafe and exotic dancers larfing at the gullible fools, or the people who are still so desperate to have a play bank "like wot we haz in rl" that they let this bunch of fraudstas hide behind the veil of legitimate bizness practices.
/Epic lolz for the fools who still follow your sordid little debauchery
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DeathGrip
Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.10 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 10/10/2009 20:54:17 Comment that leads into Question -
As you know I have been on the forums saying that Ebank has lost a lot more isk than just the deficit. It has lost all profits Ebank has ever made as well.
Did Mr H have anything to do with selling off assets for liquidaiton purposes when Ebank had it's run or did he have access to those assets. I ask this because I know TXD had a lot more isk value in assets than what I see to have been accounted for, and it seems to me that they went missing, maybe some on banned ric accounts, but maybe some were liquidated just the isk not given to Ebank maybe a personal account?
Did anyone account for everything in TXD before all the assets were sold off by LOW?
Edit: Not saying LOW did this, saying maybe Mr H or somone else took some of the assets and kept them for themselfs and LOW didn't get a chance to sell them.
I'll field this one as I have the most knowledge in regards to TXD. LoW was never in charge of liquidating TXD assets nor was LoW ever in possession of TXD assets. LoW was helping with the liquidation of Anastasia's venture.
I am in charge of the TXD liquidation and have been since the Ricdic incident. I was the director in TXD in charge of keeping an eye on the operations much like other BoD alts were in other ventures as a "just in case" option. When Ricdic pulled his runner I grabbed all the TXD assets as well as the Titan BPO's to prevent Ricdic from getting his hands on any of them. (The Titan's were locked down but he initiated a vote to unlock them and even though we all voted no they still unlocked due to a bug, which is why i grabbed them).
In regards to the TXD valuation, that process isn't complete yet due to the location of some of the assets. As you know, since we've talked about it before, a large quantity and unknown value of assets were lost due to the Ricdic banning. Hope that answers some of your questions.
So Mr H had no access to any of the TXD stuff prior to it being accounted? This is really the main question I was asking above.
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Ambo
I've Got Nothing
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Posted - 2009.10.10 21:54:00 -
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Yet more drama, and there was me thinking the ebank saga was all out of steam.
Anastasia:
I can see the sense of what Anastasia has done. Effectively, just withdrawing the isk from the account even though no one else can do so. Not sure I agree with it though, particularly after voting to impose the freeze.
Horizontal:
There is one thing that really confuses me here. When the account freeze was announced, it was said that staff members were told in advance and asked if they'd like to withdraw thier isk. If Mr Horizontal knew the freeze was coming then why on earth would he leave the 90 bil in these accounts?
All 10 characters either are in or have been members of a very small corporation called 'Monkeytech', Mr Horizontal was also a member in the past.. It seems pretty likely that all these chars are his alts or at least, close friends.
So, there are two choices: 1) Mr Horizontal did genuinely deposit 9 bil isk through each of these characters. 2) The deposits are fakes.
Now clearly, if the deposits are real then the database entries have been doctored at some point. Why would anyone do this though? And if they did need to change something, why change all the data/times to be exactly the same? They'd also have to recalculate all the balance values after those entries to make it look like it never happened.
In other words, these are almost certainly either fake deposits or someone framing Mr H. IMO, the whole idea of someone framing someone else like this is ridiculous. That only leaves Mr H. purposely adding bogus entries...
Have to say he's done an astonishingly bad job of it though. Especially considering he wrote most of the software and should know how obvious this would look. --------------------------------------
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Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.10.10 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip
So Mr H had no access to any of the TXD stuff prior to it being accounted? This is really the main question I was asking above.
Not unless he had access to Ricdic's eve accounts before Ricdic did the runner. After Ricdic's theft, TXD and its assets were in my possession. (minus anything in Ricdic's banned character's personal hangers.
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2009.10.10 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Mahke on 10/10/2009 21:59:14 Calling Anastasia a thief/scammer for returning everything she borrowed minus her EVEbank assets is hypocritical as heck.
Since YOU are not treating your investors in good faith, and your predecessors were actively scamming them, what Anastasia did was not at all theft, but merely keeping what was rightfully his/hers.
Now, if Anastasia had returned nothing at all, THAT would be theft. This is not: in fact its more appropriate and upright than how you have acted.
fake edit: but seriously, keep posting. I'm loving the ponzi-scheme collapse trainwreck, just like I'll love the t2-bpo-price effective-ponzi-scheme collapse and all the tears when THAT comes.
real edit: what anastasia did was wrong if he/she voted to impose the freeze; but, I don't know the truth of that either way.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.10.10 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 10/10/2009 22:03:05
Originally by: Ambo
All 10 characters either are in or have been members of a very small corporation called 'Monkeytech', Mr Horizontal was also a member in the past.. It seems pretty likely that all these chars are his alts or at least, close friends.
We have been able to connect 3 different IP's to Mr. Horizontal. 2 in the UK and one German IP.
EDIT: I forgot to state that all IP's suggest that they are Mr. H's alts indeed.
Quote: Now clearly, if the deposits are real then the database entries have been doctored at some point. Why would anyone do this though? And if they did need to change something, why change all the data/times to be exactly the same? They'd also have to recalculate all the balance values after those entries to make it look like it never happened.
I believe we still have a stored procedure that will do these things. It was made for our '1337' give-away, where we gave 1337 ISK to all our 1337 customers.
Quote: In other words, these are almost certainly either fake deposits or someone framing Mr H. IMO, the whole idea of someone framing someone else like this is ridiculous. That only leaves Mr H. purposely adding bogus entries...
If someone was out to frame Mr. H, that person would have had to do it 5+ months ago. In fact, it would more likely have had to be done 10 months ago. Otherwise the database would have had to be taken offline in order to do something like this.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.10.10 22:20:00 -
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So it seems like EBANK really stood for Embezzle Bank.
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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Tesal
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Posted - 2009.10.10 23:11:00 -
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A few questions.
Is the balance sheet up to date?
What is going to happen with your restructuring plan?
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr
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Posted - 2009.10.10 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 10/10/2009 23:21:07 You villify Anastasia for taking her money after you tried to steal it from her? Are you serious? She voluntarily gave back the bulk of EBANK assets that she had and subtracted the money that you were trying to steal from her and you are villifying her? How DARE she do this! What a joke.
This gets funnier and funnier as the fail cascade continues. You are throwing up smoke and mirrors to justify your theft of nearly 1.2T isk. Most players do not play as long as the time you have proposed to make up the 1.2T isk deficit that you find yourselves in through incompetence and/or theft. End this ******ed drama and give ppl their devalued assets back before your incompetence makes THEM and not YOUR money dwindles. I cannot believe any of you still have any sort of reputation after this. (Ray is probably excluded although I dont know how much longer he can keep this **** from eventually getting on his face too.)
-GV
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.10.10 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 10/10/2009 23:21:07 You villify Anastasia for taking her money after you tried to steal it from her? Are you serious? She voluntarily gave back the bulk of EBANK assets that she had and subtracted the money that you were trying to steal from her and you are villifying her? How DARE she do this! What a joke.
This gets funnier and funnier as the fail cascade continues. You are throwing up smoke and mirrors to justify your theft of nearly 1.2T isk. Most players do not play as long as the time you have proposed to make up the 1.2T isk deficit that you find yourselves in through incompetence and/or theft. End this ******ed drama and give ppl their devalued assets back before your incompetence makes THEM and not YOUR money dwindles. I cannot believe any of you still have any sort of reputation after this. (Ray is probably excluded although I dont know how much longer he can keep this **** from eventually getting on his face too.)
-GV
<--- agrees
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.11 00:24:00 -
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Lucky AC grabbed the Titan prints or EBANK would most liekly failed on the spot.
It seems that most of the directors were just trying to milk the system. With Anastasia I bet there are many people would have done the same, and taken what they think is theirs no matter what the consequences.
I am torn about Anastasia having a place on Thieves of Eve's list if the NET result is zero. EBANK owed Anastasia approximately 10B and so took equivalent assets. Not sure if this counts as a scam. Also if Anastasia's previous crime was just "being useless", it doesn't look like he was involved in any of the previous conspiracy so probably feels along with most investors and just wants his cash back.
My position was different I took money back from Evn7289 who was in league with Xabier. Both scammed together, I lost money from Xabier but got it back from Evn7289. I am not worried about my position on the list.
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Athre
Minmatar The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.10.11 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip
Per the savings account deal. He also opened one for me after no more accounts were to be created, but this was pretty much done across the board for everyone that I know of.
Excuse me? I did not hear of this being given to anyone post of the cut off date. I mean I know the button was there but I never gave someone nor did I hear of anyone ask or receiving such. This is quite news to me. WTF.
Quote: He(Anastasia) is just protecting his assets, can't blame him.
It is in poor form to not hold ones self to the same constraints that one would hold others. I disagree with your stance on this.
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr
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Posted - 2009.10.11 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray Lucky AC grabbed the Titan prints or EBANK would most liekly failed on the spot.
It seems that most of the directors were just trying to milk the system. With Anastasia I bet there are many people would have done the same, and taken what they think is theirs no matter what the consequences.
I am torn about Anastasia having a place on Thieves of Eve's list if the NET result is zero. EBANK owed Anastasia approximately 10B and so took equivalent assets. Not sure if this counts as a scam. Also if Anastasia's previous crime was just "being useless", it doesn't look like he was involved in any of the previous conspiracy so probably feels along with most investors and just wants his cash back.
My position was different I took money back from Evn7289 who was in league with Xabier. Both scammed together, I lost money from Xabier but got it back from Evn7289. I am not worried about my position on the list.
Are you really considering putting her on the list for that conduct? I am not advocating what she did, but to villify her is complete nonsense. Frankly, put her on the list and make it as completely subjective and useless as the Nobel Peace Prize is.
-GV
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SetrakDark
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Posted - 2009.10.11 01:09:00 -
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The "list of shame", or whatever it's called, does seem a bit excessive in this case. Although the actions are less than exemplary, it's far from straight-up theft.
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr
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Posted - 2009.10.11 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 11/10/2009 01:29:34
Originally by: Athre
Quote: He(Anastasia) is just protecting his assets, can't blame him.
It is in poor form to not hold ones self to the same constraints that one would hold others. I disagree with your stance on this.
This means a lot coming from you Athre, or any of the BoD frankly. rofl
-GV
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2009.10.11 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 11/10/2009 02:34:51
Originally by: Athre
Quote: He(Anastasia) is just protecting his assets, can't blame him.
It is in poor form to not hold ones self to the same constraints that one would hold others. I disagree with your stance on this.
I agree with you. Why did you gave yourselves the chance to retire your own money from EBank before freezing it then? And why did you take the money from people without their consent? He did something wrong, but so you did even worst because the money wasn't yours in the first place. The theft he has commited is the diference between the money he had and the money you have lost. You on the contrary are holding all money that isn't yours.
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Pasha Cracken
Caldari Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2009.10.11 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson EBank is dead
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Dzil
Caldari Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2009.10.11 04:44:00 -
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Quote: So I'm taking of EBank's what belongs to me out of what is mine that actually belongs to EBank. I hope that makes sense.
Made sense to me. Ebank robbed you, you robbed ebank. Ebank has a pretty clear double standard between money owed to them, and money they owe to other people, as exemplified when they threatened to wipe accounts where a depositor might attempt to sell their account to a debtor.
Overall, a great win for justice. Mr. H exposed, and at least one depositor got their isk back from ebank.
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Xetal Maelstrom
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Posted - 2009.10.11 05:09:00 -
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So it is ethical for EBank to steal a players ISK and hold it without that players input...
but it is unethical for a player to steal back their own ISK and hold it without EBanks input?
This was a hypocritical move by Anastasia Heron. You claimed it was theft. Please explain why you think that it is not theft for you to hold this individual's ISK without their consent, but that it IS theft for them to hold your ISK without your consent.
Also please explain why your reputation should not be tarnished for falsely calling someone a thief, and why someone should put any trust in you after making such a false claim.
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Tau Dades
Caldari Even End of the Universe
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Posted - 2009.10.11 05:26:00 -
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well... the only thing left to do is to call Barry. He alone can save, another, bank.
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Evan14
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Posted - 2009.10.11 06:40:00 -
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confirming we need a bailout
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Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.10.11 06:58:00 -
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As if it matters at this point since most of you fail at reading but one last comment.
The issue IS NOT that a depositor found a way to get their isk back therefore we are calling them a thief, the issue is that a director who voted to freeze accounts and keep people from their isk does not feel as though they too should be included in this. He thought it was a fair move, and the only move to make at the time but did not feel like he should be included in the move. I have trouble understanding how some of you aren't getting that but then again a lot of you fail at reading so I guess it makes sense that you would miss the point.
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Leneerra
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.11 07:38:00 -
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I am getting less and less impressed with the former organization of ebank.
Having a system included in their software to hack deposits, and apearantly using that system to administer deposits kept out of the normal accounting system (at best) or to outright create fake ones is worriesome. Having no real internal affairs person thus not noting such irregular deposits by one of the people that as far as I understand wrote at least part of the software within any reasoneble timeframe is outright fail.
I am also not very impressed with the imformation that is coming out on how ventures were being run and administered. It is sad to see people debate whether someone that ran a multi billion venture for ebank for many months and only returned the principal is a thief. Even disregarding taking their own account balance this person has clearly shown their inabillity to run any kind of public venture. That that person does not feel bound by the same rules that he or she helped impose on others is just another example to prove that they are unfit to be trusted with other peoples isk.
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Yelu Olympias
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Posted - 2009.10.11 08:17:00 -
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Edited by: Yelu Olympias on 11/10/2009 08:18:35 Edited by: Yelu Olympias on 11/10/2009 08:18:05
Lol the scam that just keeps giving!
Originally by: Athre
Originally by: DeathGrip
Per the savings account deal. He also opened one for me after no more accounts were to be created, but this was pretty much done across the board for everyone that I know of.
Excuse me? I did not hear of this being given to anyone post of the cut off date. I mean I know the button was there but I never gave someone nor did I hear of anyone ask or receiving such. This is quite news to me. WTF.
Surprised no one else had jumped on this. I thought Proton was a pretty stand up guy. In my language we have a word for this kind of deal..its called 'Corruption' and was apparently so rife in EBank it was done 'across the board' for the "MD Elite" (now that's the biggest joke).
Quote: He(Anastasia) is just protecting his assets, can't blame him.
Originally by: Athre
It is in poor form to not hold ones self to the same constraints that one would hold others. I disagree with your stance on this.
Agreed, funny to see people trying to defend this action, if Anastasia had done ANYTHING to warn or help small investors or actually done the job he was PAID to do then fair enough, but as it is he is as criminally culpable as Ricdic and the growing list MD elite known scammers.
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.10.11 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lecherito on 11/10/2009 08:31:59
Originally by: Yelu Olympias Edited by: Yelu Olympias on 11/10/2009 08:18:35 Edited by: Yelu Olympias on 11/10/2009 08:18:05
Lol the scam that just keeps giving!
Originally by: Athre
Originally by: DeathGrip
Per the savings account deal. He also opened one for me after no more accounts were to be created, but this was pretty much done across the board for everyone that I know of.
Excuse me? I did not hear of this being given to anyone post of the cut off date. I mean I know the button was there but I never gave someone nor did I hear of anyone ask or receiving such. This is quite news to me. WTF.
Surprised no one else had jumped on this. I thought Proton was a pretty stand up guy. In my language we have a word for this kind of deal..its called 'Corruption' and was apparently so rife in EBank it was done 'across the board' for the "MD Elite" (now that's the biggest joke).
Quote: He(Anastasia) is just protecting his assets, can't blame him.
Originally by: Athre
It is in poor form to not hold ones self to the same constraints that one would hold others. I disagree with your stance on this.
Agreed, funny to see people trying to defend this action, if Anastasia had done ANYTHING to warn or help small investors or actually done the job he was PAID to do then fair enough, but as it is he is as criminally culpable as Ricdic and the growing list MD elite known scammers.
The "MD-who's who" has utterly failed the community more magnificently then I ever could have imagined. Looking forward to getting some new talent in there as soon as possible. As far as I'm concerned (and this should go for just about everyone), *anyone* affiliated with Ebank now or in the past (with Selene being the only notable exception) should be treated as a YGR/Riethe/CT. AmouredC took the MD for 600 million isk and has been universally black listed by just about everyone here. Ebank and staff took MD for over a trillion, and people are still entertaining their "expertise". How the bajeezus does that add up?
-L
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Clementina
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.11 08:53:00 -
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Hello Everybody. Remember the [EBANK] Transparancy Efforts - Payroll thread? The one where we got to see what everyone was paid? I do. In that thread we saw these entries
Originally by: EBANK SencneS
Mr Horizontal 05/09 - 250,000K - P+DBA 04/09 - 250,000K - P+DBA 03/09 - 250,000K - P+DBA 02/09 - 3,375,000K - P+DBA+D 01/09 - 7,750,000K - P+DBA+D 12/08 - 250,000K - P+DBA 11/08 - 400,000K - FR+P (2 months) 09/08 - 150,000K - FR 08/08 - 150,000K - FR 07/08 - 1,200,000K - FRBP Total - 14,025,000K over 18 months (Average 780M per month)
Anastasia Heron 05/09 - 75,000K - P 04/09 - 15,000K - P 03/09 - 1,500,000K - P, {Over Paid, being corrected} 02/09 - 150,000K - P 01/09 - 150,000K - P 12/08 - 535,000K - P+PM PM- 460,000K 11/08 - 460,000K - PM {Was entered separately} 11/08 - 210,000K - FR+P (2 months) 09/08 - 150,000K - FR 08/08 - 150,000K - FR 07/08 - 1,500,000K - FRBP Total - 3,410,000K over 20 months (Average 171M per month) {After Correction}
Also recall that the relevent codes were
Originally by: EBANK SencneS
P = Participation FR = Flat Rate (Old payroll system) FRBP = Flat Rate Back Pay - EBANK didn't pay anyone until 10 months after it started. D = Development work (Coding EBANK) PM = Project/Venture Manager DBA = Database Admin/Lead Developer
So apparently Mr Horizontal was their DBA and developer for the bank, and Anastasia Heron was a project manager, and was also paid for 'participation' which judging by what is being said in this thread does not mean much. I'm sorry that the smack in me is too weak to elaborate on a woman who was paid for nothing and a man who was given the opportunity to steal isk, It's just amusing to me. I'm sure others can fill in with the requisite flame.
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