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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.17 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lay'la Seraphim Ahh, I see the rationale now. It still appears to me that your organization is still partaking in the idea of nationalism or 'corporationism'. While your claims of industrial prowess may be true and your motives derived from capsuleer's perceived immortality, your interests in setting the Tribal Liberation Force to neutral seem to be conjoined with the old nationalist idea of nation building. To reiterate: You provide ships and materiel to all sides. You fight all factions save one, the Minmatar.
Your reply left me wondering if you actually read the statement Jade linked to. But regardless, the core of your argument is that Star Fraction supports war effort of one militia against another and deals with the entities it seeks to destroy; therefore Star Fraction supports nation building.
This attack is so weak that it hardly deserves a response, but I am in a good mood and will humor you.
By your statement you imply that there are certain rules that an anarchist organization such as Star Fraction has to abide by in order to stay true to its ideals. Well, there aren't.
The day when we stop dealing with enclosurist entities is the day Star Fraction will cease to exist because our mission will be complete. The simple truth of the matter is that we use all tools at our disposal if we believe that they might bring us closer to our goal. The 24th Crusade is the greater evil and backing TLF is the most efficient way to fight it. It's that simple.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.18 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lay'la Seraphim Ahh, I see the rationale now. It still appears to me that your organization is still partaking in the idea of nationalism or 'corporationism'.
Perhaps you'd like to explain what you mean precisely?
Quote: While your claims of industrial prowess may be true and your motives derived from capsuleer's perceived immortality, your interests in setting the Tribal Liberation Force to neutral seem to be conjoined with the old nationalist idea of nation building.
Well if your have read the articles linked and considered our philosophical positions elsewhere you'll see what we really want to encourage is a culture of self-sufficient individuals breaking free from nationalist dogma and finally taking responsibility for their own happiness, self-defense and personal worth.
Quote: To reiterate: You provide ships and materiel to all sides. You fight all factions save one, the Minmatar.
For the reasons expressed in the article I linked too. Do you have more questions about these things?
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Theophilas
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.19 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Theophilas on 19/10/2009 14:45:28
Originally by: Tecam Hund Your reply left me wondering if you actually read the statement Jade linked to.
I'll be honest with you... Tee-Kam? Am I saying that correctly? It doesn't matter.
Anyways, I almost never read what Jade writes. It's ego driven philosophical psycho babble unworthy of even five minutes of my time. If I wanted to read about why some terrorist organization wants to decimate galactic empires, I'd hunt down a Sansha and ask him, at least it wouldn't take as long.
Honestly, you Star Fraction are the most long winded little terrorists in all of New Eden, and that, is a feat I think everyone can agree Star Fraction have "achieved".
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 19/10/2009 16:22:49
Originally by: Theophilas Edited by: Theophilas on 19/10/2009 14:45:28
Originally by: Tecam Hund Your reply left me wondering if you actually read the statement Jade linked to.
I'll be honest with you... Tee-Kam? Am I saying that correctly? It doesn't matter.
Anyways, I almost never read what Jade writes. It's ego driven philosophical psycho babble unworthy of even five minutes of my time. If I wanted to read about why some terrorist organization wants to decimate galactic empires, I'd hunt down a Sansha and ask him, at least it wouldn't take as long.
Honestly, you Star Fraction are the most long winded little terrorists in all of New Eden, and that, is a feat I think everyone can agree Star Fraction have "achieved".
Well is looks like InveliousÆ low brow communication skills have started to spread to other members of his corporationà
I would suggest that you take either one of two courses (because this course is just adding to the idiocy of your reputation and that is unfair to your pilots).
The first course is one taken by most of new EdenÆs pilots. That would be the path of Silence. If you donÆt know or donÆt care what is being said then shut your flapping vomit hole and the cluster will continue on in ignorance of your poor conversational skills and idiot mantras.
The Second course is a bit more difficult and requires effort beyond the lazy ôtl:drö culls that you willing admit you are. Read what is spoken, research the topic, formulate opinions and then express them in a clear manner. If you bother to learn what is being said, if you look up references, I believe nothing is absolute and there is legitimate room for debate on every issue.
Also donÆt mock TecamÆs pilot call sign, you have numerous pilots with quizzical names and there are several ancient Ammarian loyalist corps named after such things as ôSpoonsö. If you think before you banter petty insult then less of them will blow up in your puerile face.
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.19 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Theophilas
I'll be honest with you... Tee-Kam? Am I saying that correctly? It doesn't matter.
Anyways, I almost never read what Jade writes. It's ego driven philosophical psycho babble unworthy of even five minutes of my time. If I wanted to read about why some terrorist organization wants to decimate galactic empires, I'd hunt down a Sansha and ask him, at least it wouldn't take as long.
Honestly, you Star Fraction are the most long winded little terrorists in all of New Eden, and that, is a feat I think everyone can agree Star Fraction have "achieved".
Amusingly enough I wasn't addressing you, the linked message was written by Cosmo, and if you don't read what's being posted you shouldn't even be here
But thanks for being honest. I wish more Amarr loyalists would come out of the closets and confess that they don't actually care what Star Fraction pilots have to say and just try to attack our cause with random statements hoping for a lucky break. Ignoring majority of our IGS adversaries would save much time and effort and allow us to actually discuss something with the people who are interested in an intelligent debate.
It's Tek-um by the way. But yes, it doesn't really matter.
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Theophilas
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.19 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tecam Hund Amusingly enough I wasn't addressing you, the linked message was written by Cosmo, and if you don't read what's being posted you shouldn't even be here
But thanks for being honest. I wish more Amarr loyalists would come out of the closets and confess that they don't actually care what Star Fraction pilots have to say and just try to attack our cause with random statements hoping for a lucky break. Ignoring majority of our IGS adversaries would save much time and effort and allow us to actually discuss something with the people who are interested in an intelligent debate.
It's Tek-um by the way. But yes, it doesn't really matter.
By the Empress, Teecum, I can not believe I'm about to say this, but, I agree with you. It makes me shudder to do so, but I have no idea why so many of my Amarr brothers continue to debate with you terrorist windbags. The pain of having to endure one of Jade Constantine's terribly written Intergalactic Summit communiques is worse than being subjected to the Holy Star cranked up to full power.
I understand why Amarr corporations may have negotiated peace treaties with you, so they don't have to listen to your endless parade of nonsense any longer.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.19 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Theophilas
Originally by: Tecam Hund Amusingly enough I wasn't addressing you, the linked message was written by Cosmo, and if you don't read what's being posted you shouldn't even be here
But thanks for being honest. I wish more Amarr loyalists would come out of the closets and confess that they don't actually care what Star Fraction pilots have to say and just try to attack our cause with random statements hoping for a lucky break. Ignoring majority of our IGS adversaries would save much time and effort and allow us to actually discuss something with the people who are interested in an intelligent debate.
It's Tek-um by the way. But yes, it doesn't really matter.
By the Empress, Teecum, I can not believe I'm about to say this, but, I agree with you. It makes me shudder to do so, but I have no idea why so many of my Amarr brothers continue to debate with you terrorist windbags. The pain of having to endure one of Jade Constantine's terribly written Intergalactic Summit communiques is worse than being subjected to the Holy Star cranked up to full power.
I understand why Amarr corporations may have negotiated peace treaties with you, so they don't have to listen to your endless parade of nonsense any longer.
same immature name altering disrespect and the same jack-ninny self defeating smack, Invelious has really trained you well. You sound so very much like him it is uncanny. I guess stupid runs in the water over in Deus.
Which is confusing to me because you have one of the most eloquent and concise Amarrians in the cluster. how many obelisk loads of isk do you have to pay him so that keeps company with such a bilge rat like you?
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Theophilas
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.19 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Theophilas on 19/10/2009 21:48:38
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss same immature name altering disrespect and the same jack-ninny self defeating smack, Invelious has really trained you well. You sound so very much like him it is uncanny. I guess stupid runs in the water over in Deus.
Which is confusing to me because you have one of the most eloquent and concise Amarrians in the cluster. how many obelisk loads of isk do you have to pay him so that keeps company with such a bilge rat like you?
"Bilge rat"? Okay, the next time you write something, if, when proof reading it, you start to take on the voice of a 20th century planet side English gentlemen, well then, go ahead and step out of the nearest adjacent airlock because you're an ass.
I really don't see why you've taken so much offense to me stating my opinions. I've said nothing rude. You write create numerous threads, spanning paragraphs after paragraph, of your terrorist philosophical garbage, and when someone finally tells you the truth, that the vast majority of the IGS simply DOESN'T CARE, you start to react like a child who just had his candy taken from him.
I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised at all. We Ammarians are used to being labeled as boogieman. So fine, rant and rave about me if you must, just please, for the love of all that is holy, limit it to a paragraph next time.
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Zarak1 Kenpach1
R.E.C.O.N. Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.10.19 21:59:00 -
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3000 kills by a corp in a year isnt that awesome btw
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.10.19 22:11:00 -
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When I was a youth, I would peruse the various sites which galnet provided to non-capsuleers. On the forums of these sites would be a certain class of individual who would say very inflammatory things, refuse to listen to reason, and generally do their best to cause a fuss. We called these people 'trolls'. A rule existed, and on those forums that followed it it worked quite well: Do not feed the troll.
The theory held (And more often than not, held true) that if you ignored these individuals then their topics would remain on the front page for a shorter time, and the individuals would eventually go bother someone else. Jade Constantine is in many ways similar to these people, and I suspect that if those who considered her and her so-called arguments completely invalid and hypocritical simply refused to reply to her opinion (Which is something I have discovered in my short time to be completely futile) then we would not currently be on the fifth page of replies at this point.
In short: If you don't think you can argue with her (Which you can't) then don't, and keep from bumping the topic.
This is going to be the last thing I say in this, or any other Jade Constantine thread. Hopefully it will reach at least one person. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.19 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Theophilas you start to take on the voice of a 20th century planet side English gentlemen,
I don't know what a 20th century English gentleman is but in this common trade language Bilge is the liquid build up of refuse and seepage from a ships internal systems and a rat is a generic term for vermin/rodents.
I suspect your trying to attack my terminology, for you have no rejoinder to the failure in conversation you just burped up on the summit. However, as we all are using the common trade language here I'm sure some historical or legendary or hoax-historical overlap will happen. I could look back over your commentary and make similar claims but in the end we just have to accept that sometimes the translation between our cultures into this common language comes with a few peculiar moments.
To dumb it down for you, donÆt be stupid and mock the language. Invelious must be so proud to have such a perfect lock-step fellow Deus employee.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.19 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin ... I suspect that if those who considered her and her so-called arguments completely invalid and hypocritical simply refused to reply to her opinion (Which is something I have discovered in my short time to be completely futile) then we would not currently be on the fifth page of replies at this point.
As far as I can see you have had your questions answered entirely appropriately. If you feel your engagement in the debate has been lacking then I'd suggest you come at the discussion with less preconception and a little more intellectual flexibility in the future.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.19 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 3000 kills by a corp in a year isnt that awesome btw
Given our highly selective rules of engagement and the extremely risk-averse nature of our chosen prey its actually quite impressive. 3000 enemies who deserve to die slain each year by heroic Free Captains while the rest of the neutral pilots of the cluster go about their business without impediment.
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Theophilas
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.19 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss I don't know what a 20th century English gentleman is but in this common trade language Bilge is the liquid build up of refuse and seepage from a ships internal systems and a rat is a generic term for vermin/rodents.
I suspect your trying to attack my terminology, for you have no rejoinder to the failure in conversation you just burped up on the summit. However, as we all are using the common trade language here I'm sure some historical or legendary or hoax-historical overlap will happen. I could look back over your commentary and make similar claims but in the end we just have to accept that sometimes the translation between our cultures into this common language comes with a few peculiar moments.
To dumb it down for you, donÆt be stupid and mock the language. Invelious must be so proud to have such a perfect lock-step fellow Deus employee.
Liquid build up of refuse and seepage from a ships internal systems... yes I forgot how you minners build your little garbage ships. Of course it makes sense now.
And in case you forgot hawk, I was answering your fellow corp mate who was wondering if one of the posters had read Jade's post, and I answered him that most people don't, and then I elaborated as to why. You were the ones who began the personal attacks.
If Jade can post the same drivel for "half a decade" and not be bored to tears (as the rest of us are) from it, wonderful, then let her thesaurus driven intellect shine in her self-aggrandizing threads, but don't jump down my throat, and drag people who have nothing to do with this into it, because you didn't like the healthy dose of reality I brought to the discussion.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.19 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Theophilas I was answering your fellow corp mate who was wondering if one of the posters had read Jade's post, and I answered him that most people don't, and then I elaborated as to why. You were the ones who began the personal attacks.
As already demonstrated in this thread - people who claim to speak for unspecified and unproven numbers of "other people" are generally idiots. This is not a personal attack Theophilas merely an observation from much data on 24th Crusade debating "tactics". I imagine most independent commentators would be aghast at the mere notion of you sharing a comms general with anybody else, let alone having the right to speak for them.
You speak for nobody Theophilas since you are undoubtedly a corporate peon in an unremarkable entity without power or courage of your own. I understand its difficult for you to accept your role in reality and you doubtless find the low esteem in which you are held somewhat uncomfortable but you do hold the remedy for your condition in your own hands.
Stop being a substance-free mouthpiece defining yourself by your (verbal only) opposition to more talented pilots and build a reputation of your own.
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Tempus Iskander
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.19 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin When I was a youth...
*Laughs aloud* what do you mean "when you were a youth" - according to your pilot registration details in the registry you are still a member of Hedion University and you've barely been in space for a month and a half! Honestly students today leaping with fully-formed opinions on what is and isn't going on across New Eden. I have to wonder if you too are some patsy voice for another older capsuleer too cowardly to express his or her own personal opinions.
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Theophilas
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.20 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Theophilas on 20/10/2009 00:12:17
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Theophilas I was answering your fellow corp mate who was wondering if one of the posters had read Jade's post, and I answered him that most people don't, and then I elaborated as to why. You were the ones who began the personal attacks.
As already demonstrated in this thread - people who claim to speak for unspecified and unproven numbers of "other people" are generally idiots. This is not a personal attack Theophilas merely an observation from much data on 24th Crusade debating "tactics". I imagine most independent commentators would be aghast at the mere notion of you sharing a comms general with anybody else, let alone having the right to speak for them.
You speak for nobody Theophilas since you are undoubtedly a corporate peon in an unremarkable entity without power or courage of your own. I understand its difficult for you to accept your role in reality and you doubtless find the low esteem in which you are held somewhat uncomfortable but you do hold the remedy for your condition in your own hands.
Stop being a substance-free mouthpiece defining yourself by your (verbal only) opposition to more talented pilots and build a reputation of your own.
You're right, the numbers are unspecified and unproven. I say we call a vote. Let's make a thread called "Do you care what Star Fraction is talking about?" and have people vote yes or no. I really hate to be called an idiot, especially in so passive aggressive a manner, so let's do this. We will of course need ground rules before we begin, but we can work those out if you agree. Dunno about you, but I am excited to think what New Eden has to say about all of this.
As to the rest of your post, I got bored and tuned most of it out, so just pretend this is a comeback of some kind.
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Lay'la Seraphim
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.20 01:57:00 -
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Since Theo speaks for 'nobody' but himself in your opinion, then he should be highly regarded by you. Yes?
I have asked questions and they have been answered to my satisfaction. But you all must realize that stating positions in the concrete sense limits your credibility as true 'anarchists' and so-called free-captains. Through the process of reading your posts in the IGS it has become clear to me that your attachment to your beliefs is just as strong and (I hate to say it) HOLY as our faith in God. In fact, our perceptions are very close ie, there is only one right way, and it is our way. The difference is that you are terrorists that threaten all of new eden with your heretical ideals, and we Amarr are the holy guardians of truth who foster the longest lived space-faring culture since the closing of the eve gate.
In answer to your accusations that we are merely 'mouthpieces' for Invelious, let me just say that; personally, I am first and foremost a speaker of truth. Truth that is granted to me by our most holy empress Jamyl. Secondly, I speak for myself and the will of God and Amarr. Invelious will respond to your ludicrous hypocritical diatribes if he sees fit.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.20 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Theophilas You're right, the numbers are unspecified and unproven. I say we call a vote.
Thats very Gallente of you. So much for the Amarrian "master race" ideology Theophilas. Interesting that when challenged you so quickly reach beyond your culture's area of spiritual competence - shouldn't you be asking "god" instead?
Quote: Let's make a thread called "Do you care what Star Fraction is talking about?" and have people vote yes or no. I really hate to be called an idiot, especially in so passive aggressive a manner, so let's do this.
You may make whatever threads you feel you need to make. I suspect the "votes" you might garner from Academy students and desperate failed war enemies of the Star Fraction will reach some figure you consider pertinent yet far below the average capsuleer population of a trade hub on a given evening.
Quote: We will of course need ground rules before we begin, but we can work those out if you agree.
Haven't you already declared your position on the IGS that any Amarrian must betray any and all agreements with the Star Fraction as a matter of faith? Yet now you want "ground rules" - why do you think I would believe anything you had to say? (or expect you to keep your word for a moment?) You are very foolish to imagine that the pleasure you took in Battlestar Crusader betraying his word to us does not impact your own credibility in the most negative way possible.
Quote: Dunno about you, but I am excited to think what New Eden has to say about all of this.
I imagine capsuleers will pay you even less mind than they did your master Invelious when he begged for Goon aid on CAOD a couple of months ago... yet if you feel you need to make more threads about the Star Fraction to demonstrate how unimportant we are to you be my guest.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.20 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lay'la Seraphim Since Theo speaks for 'nobody' but himself in your opinion, then he should be highly regarded by you. Yes?
Actually since I hold him entirely responsible for his own ignorance and lack of courage then my regard for him is vanishingly small.
Quote: I have asked questions and they have been answered to my satisfaction. But you all must realize that stating positions in the concrete sense limits your credibility as true 'anarchists' and so-called free-captains.
There is nothing concrete about the "True Knowledge", infinitely protean and flexible as the human mind that hosts it. What matters is what matters to us.
Quote: Through the process of reading your posts in the IGS it has become clear to me that your attachment to your beliefs is just as strong and (I hate to say it) HOLY as our faith in God. In fact, our perceptions are very close ie, there is only one right way, and it is our way.
Again I think you have misunderstood, well, everything really. Perhaps we should start over?
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Theophilas
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.20 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine You may make whatever threads you feel you need to make. I suspect the "votes" you might garner from Academy students and desperate failed war enemies of the Star Fraction will reach some figure you consider pertinent yet far below the average capsuleer population of a trade hub on a given evening.
Quote: We will of course need ground rules before we begin, but we can work those out if you agree.
Haven't you already declared your position on the IGS that any Amarrian must betray any and all agreements with the Star Fraction as a matter of faith? Yet now you want "ground rules" - why do you think I would believe anything you had to say? (or expect you to keep your word for a moment?) You are very foolish to imagine that the pleasure you took in Battlestar Crusader betraying his word to us does not impact your own credibility in the most negative way possible.
Quote: Dunno about you, but I am excited to think what New Eden has to say about all of this.
I imagine capsuleers will pay you even less mind than they did your master Invelious when he begged for Goon aid on CAOD a couple of months ago... yet if you feel you need to make more threads about the Star Fraction to demonstrate how unimportant we are to you be my guest.
I think the "point by point" response style you love so very much should be banned. If you are doing it for your benefit, then perhaps you need more intelligence implants. And I know you aren't doing it for my benefit... I don't need you to quote me to remember what I frigging said, I do have enough memory implants for that.
Now, I tried to be equitable about this, and put the matter to a vote and settle it once and for all, and of course you went and attacked me, as if Amarrians never voted on anything. Of course we do, it's just typically, only our votes matter...
I think the true matter rests with the fact that you're scared. Scared to find out that the EVE universe is tired of your schtick. You don't have enough war enemies, and new capsuleers won't even know about the vote so those are both moot points. Just admit your ego couldn't take the pounding it would receive.
The ground rules were just to ensure that the wording of the post didn't skew anyones vote one way or another, I wanted the vote to stand as testimate, so that when I say "no one cares", it's actually been proven. There was no treaty, you called me an idiot, and I didn't think it was very fair, or correct, so I wanted to show you. We Ammar like to do that... show others the errors in themselves.
How can you not be excited? Don't you want to prove me wrong? Wouldn't you like to have your words validated by the masses you fight for?
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Trenchi
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Posted - 2009.10.20 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Trenchi on 20/10/2009 13:32:33
Originally by: Merdaneth 4. I am immortal. You are immortal. We are all immortal.
was wondering about this. what is the "self" or "me". does it get destroid when the clone gets destroid.
I think you dismiss faith to easily.
sorry if this has been discused, im a new podpilot.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.20 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Theophilas I think the "point by point" response style you love so very much should be banned.
Luckily your preference is scarcely relevant.
Quote: ... If you are doing it for your benefit, then perhaps you need more intelligence implants. And I know you aren't doing it for my benefit... I don't need you to quote me to remember what I frigging said, I do have enough memory implants for that.
Right now I'm doing it because it annoys you.
Quote: I think the true matter rests with the fact that you're scared. Scared to find out that the EVE universe is tired of your schtick.
Actually the true matter rests with the True Knowledge. Of course you didn't read it so you woulnd't know - but IF you did, you'd have learned precisely why I have absolutely no fear of gutless windbags with voices but no backbone. Action is everything.
Quote: You don't have enough war enemies, and new capsuleers won't even know about the vote so those are both moot points.
On the contrary, I said failed and broken ex war enemies. Of those we have plenty (yourself included). And our enemies are quite cowardly and often pay new academy students to post on the IGS for them through fear of being linked to their words. Hence neither point is moot.
Quote: Just admit your ego couldn't take the pounding it would receive.
Surely you jest. My ego is made of weapons-grade vanadium alloy. I eat detractors for breakfast and use their bones to whittle mementos for freespacer children.
Quote: The ground rules were just to ensure that the wording of the post didn't skew anyones vote one way or another, I wanted the vote to stand as testimate ...
Hardly matters what you want. Reality is your have praised a liar for lying to us and breaking a surrender treaty. That means your word cannot be trusted and no accord can be reached with you whatsoever.
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Theophilas
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Actually the true matter rests with the True Knowledge. Of course you didn't read it so you don't know - but IF you did, you'd have learned precisely why I have absolutely no fear of gutless windbags with mewling voices but no backbone. Action is everything. Weakling condemnation from substance-free galnet poseurs just means free bumps for the PR message in question. Its very pragamatic.
Yes! A man of action. I believe you, so then, call a vote! Test your mettle and put your "true knowledge" to the test! Or don't.
Everyone thinks you're a hypocrite anyways, so it doesn't matter.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Trenchi Edited by: Trenchi on 20/10/2009 13:32:33
Originally by: Merdaneth 4. I am immortal. You are immortal. We are all immortal.
was wondering about this. what is the "self" or "me". does it get destroid when the clone gets destroid. I think you dismiss faith to easily. sorry if this has been discused, im a new podpilot.
Good question with an all too brutal answer I'm afraid. With baseline cloning technology you are immortal from my perspective. I am immortal from yours. There is seamless continuity for the observer but not from the subject. The individual dies but the identity continues.
I'm sure you are aware with the workings of the burning scanner and poison-barb? At the point of death your mindset is scanned and transmitted to a waiting recepticle while the point of origin is destroyed with nerve poison at around the time the pod is breached. This is cut and paste not copy, and the reason (amongst other things) was to prevent illicit memory doubles being created and running rampant through the star cluster as the private military forces of unstable infinitely-replicating individuals.
But technology has moved on. Currently we have the capability to pass our mindstate between active viable physical clones at will. Rather than destroying the flesh as we move consciousness, we simply revert the origin mind to deep sleep and storage - while writing knowledge, memory and experience to the neurons of the destination recepticle. There have been experiments with multiple parallel consciousness, and while there are problems to be faced there are many possibilities to be explored here through the medium of the genuine copy/paste transferal.
Still, the reality is that the active individual element of the identity is mortal from their own perspective while the continuing meta-identity is immortal from all others. I am immortal to you. You are immortal to me. This doesn't mean you cannot choose to die of course. But it has to be your choice, nobody else can make it for you.
On the matter of faith though, why do you believe it is important?
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Kei Masuda
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Theophilas
Everyone thinks you're a hypocrite anyways, so it doesn't matter.
Actually I have it on good authority that Everyone thinks that you don't understand the meaning of the words you type.
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Melisandre DeVance
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kei Masuda
Originally by: Theophilas
Everyone thinks you're a hypocrite anyways, so it doesn't matter.
Actually I have it on good authority that Everyone thinks that you don't understand the meaning of the words you type.
True that /signed.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:30:00 -
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Hey stop messing around with my jester!
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Theophilas
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:34:00 -
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So Jade claims he's a man of action, but won't call a vote.
I call him a hypocrite for it, and I'm the one who doesn't understand my own words?
That's, hyp+o+crite... Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\ Function: noun
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
This would be the one I am looking at. See how it makes sense? If I say I am a man of action, then do nothing, I am in fact a hyp+o+crite.
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Melisandre DeVance
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Posted - 2009.10.20 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Melisandre DeVance on 20/10/2009 16:06:50
Originally by: Theophilas wriggling bleating and whining
All it proves is that you can't beat Jade in space and are desperately trolling for attention all the while she's mocking at you and using your posting for free bumps for her topic while EVERYONE laughs at you from the cheap seats.
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