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Elsa Nietzsche	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:18:00 - [151] inc wall-o-text The test server is for testing and that is it. The benefit of allowing everyone access is that it gives you a larger sample set and raises your chances to find issues early. But many of the 900+ people on were not testing. Yes, some were, and those people will still be interested in logging onto the server after CCP removes the all skills at lvl 5 silliness. The rest of us will go back to TQ and play our game. The test server does not have the capacity to handle jita traffic in one system and there's no sense in them spending money on that kind of hardware for a test server. Further, CCP should not have to babysit the test server; especially on the weekend. This is their work, and some people like to be able to go home and do other things with their free time. For the most part, the system has worked well. Even if some people were logging in to play around, they generally didn't cause problems for the dedicated testers. During this event however, the entire system became more trouble than it was worth. Shutting down Sisi was not an act of punishment, it was a solution to a problem. Maybe CCP will open Sisi up to the public again in the future, but maybe they won't. The reality is, this is more of a headache to CCP than it is to us because now they have to decide what they're going to do about the test server and if they're going to implement some policy to allow access and who's job will it be to handle that BS task. For the players, it doesn't really change anything. We're not paying to test on Sisi, we're paying to play on TQ. TL;DR HTFU
Nikita Prime	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:21:00 - [152] Hi i like to comment on the the test server this week end ,,, i aggree with most ppl who are regular player of it it was ruined byt idiots,, who for one didnt know what the hell they was doing as it was there first time on there ,, i been going on the test server since i joined eve about 2 years ago and for it to be ruined like that for one week end just shows this week end should of only been for the regular player of it who know the rules and have been using the test server for what it was for testing the ships out like there ment to be i manage to get on this week end for like 30mins i know some ppl didnt even get past number 104th on the que and it was a waste of my time ,,was a shame coz if it was like it norm is the test server is much fun as the TQ would be good of ccp to let the old players of Sisi have a second go at it once they sorted it out so we can try it out and not some 2 day old noob ****ing about in a titan thanks NP ,, vet sisi tester
foogacity	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:26:00 - [153] I have a brilliant idea. How about not doing events like this on the weekend? Doing it during the week would reduce the teenage butt pirates who want to do nothing more than break the rules. There is obviously no problem getting numbers on the test server. Do this Monday through Friday so those who would like to actually test can.
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:27:00 - [154] Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche inc wall-o-text The test server is for testing and that is it. The benefit of allowing everyone access is that it gives you a larger sample set and raises your chances to find issues early. But many of the 900+ people on were not testing. Yes, some were, and those people will still be interested in logging onto the server after CCP removes the all skills at lvl 5 silliness. The rest of us will go back to TQ and play our game. The test server does not have the capacity to handle jita traffic in one system and there's no sense in them spending money on that kind of hardware for a test server. Further, CCP should not have to babysit the test server; especially on the weekend. This is their work, and some people like to be able to go home and do other things with their free time. For the most part, the system has worked well. Even if some people were logging in to play around, they generally didn't cause problems for the dedicated testers. During this event however, the entire system became more trouble than it was worth. Shutting down Sisi was not an act of punishment, it was a solution to a problem. Maybe CCP will open Sisi up to the public again in the future, but maybe they won't. The reality is, this is more of a headache to CCP than it is to us because now they have to decide what they're going to do about the test server and if they're going to implement some policy to allow access and who's job will it be to handle that BS task. For the players, it doesn't really change anything. We're not paying to test on Sisi, we're paying to play on TQ. TL;DR HTFU This man speaks the truth. I managed to log on and test out a Ragnarok and a Hel though. And i'm happy with that. I'm very very tired of all of the idiots on sisi who just gives a damn about anything that have with rules to do. I don't know how many rules breakers i have been reporting and how many i have got banned the last year. But it's not few. So in my eyes, CCP did the right thing. It's not CCP's fault that someone can't read some rules and just follow them. So i just want to thank all of the rules breakers / idiots on sisi to ruin the fun for everyone. I hope all of you feel proud of it. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Aoa Lux Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:28:00 - [155] Ban them. + temp-TQ bans People ONLY do this because they know there are NO consequences. Give them some consequences, CCP. Rules are clearly stated on forums AND in test systems. No excuses. No sympathy. Bans. P.S. Triage was not consuming stront. Lag or bug? P.P.S. seriously, tq bans. This monkey-flinging-poop behavior will stop immediately, I guarantee it.
Rhohan Minmatar Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:32:00 - [156] Hopefully this is the final nail in the coffin for giving everyone max skills. That was the source of most of the problems. There are enough people out there with Super Capital skills, or preqs who could easily train the skills. They just need the ships via the redeem system for a given test. If they had simply done that, there could have been far more effective testing. TBH, I think the Devs knew this would happen.
Agent Unknown Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:33:00 - [157] Originally by: Aoa Lux Ban them. + temp-TQ bans People ONLY do this because they know there are NO consequences. Give them some consequences, CCP. Rules are clearly stated on forums AND in test systems. No excuses. No sympathy. Bans. P.S. Triage was not consuming stront. Lag or bug? P.P.S. seriously, tq bans. This monkey-flinging-poop behavior will stop immediately, I guarantee it. QFT. And yes, triage wasn't consuming stront (since I had a carrier in triage longer than it would've had the stront for). It's so ****ed when I try to set up a POS to do testing with and someone warps in and starts pounding on it. What did I get from local? "Boo hoo, stop whining" and "let's all go blow up his POS!". What the hell is this? It seems like the immaturity in people comes out when there's no consequences... Originally by:** CCP Fallout And yelling is bad. It makes the baby Jesus cry and when the baby Jesus cries I'm forced to lock threads
Rhohan Minmatar Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:39:00 - [158] Originally by: Aoa Lux ...P.P.S. seriously, tq bans. This monkey-flinging-poop behavior will stop immediately, I guarantee it. Yep, that would solve many of the issues. Just a Sisi ban is no real threat to most of these tards. Note: Redeem system - Only give ships to those who have the skills to fly them, or maybe who could train the skills in less than 24 hrs.
Ivanna Nuke Daralux	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:58:00 - [159] Originally by: Rhohan Originally by: Aoa Lux ...P.P.S. seriously, tq bans. This monkey-flinging-poop behavior will stop immediately, I guarantee it. Yep, that would solve many of the issues. Just a Sisi ban is no real threat to most of these tards. Note: Redeem system - Only give ships to those who have the skills to fly them, or maybe who could train the skills in less than 24 hrs. To work on this, to those within 5M SP.
Norpa Perkone	Posted - 2009.10.11 21:21:00 - [160] Edited by: Norpa on 11/10/2009 21:22:06 fail.
HeliosGal	Posted - 2009.10.11 21:36:00 - [161] Originally by: Nikita Prime Hi i like to comment on the the test server this week end ,,, i aggree with most ppl who are regular player of it it was ruined byt idiots,, who for one didnt know what the hell they was doing as it was there first time on there ,, i been going on the test server since i joined eve about 2 years ago and for it to be ruined like that for one week end just shows this week end should of only been for the regular player of it who know the rules and have been using the test server for what it was for testing the ships out like there ment to be i manage to get on this week end for like 30mins i know some ppl didnt even get past number 104th on the que and it was a waste of my time ,,was a shame coz if it was like it norm is the test server is much fun as the TQ would be good of ccp to let the old players of Sisi have a second go at it once they sorted it out so we can try it out and not some 2 day old noob ****ing about in a titan thanks NP ,, vet sisi tester I do believe nikita u were one of the ones shooting peeps outside the station rather than at FFA a clear breach of the rules ofc
WAuter Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.11 21:46:00 - [162] I guess i saw this one coming like 2 months ago.. It surely gives us a good idea of how many idiots play Eve.
XICD7 Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.11 21:52:00 - [163] If they said the rest of the day does that mean it'll ocme back up at 00:00 or after DT?
db T M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.10.11 22:09:00 - [164] So CCP decided to go with capital punishment?
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.10.11 22:14:00 - [165] Originally by: XICD7 If they said the rest of the day does that mean it'll ocme back up at 00:00 or after DT? They'll probably spend the time until DT in the morning doing the testing they need to, run a mirror during DT and we'll be back to normal skill levels after that. They've obviously had enough of people acting like utter knobs and all the whining that's accompanied it, so I wouldn't hold out any further hope of having the max skills and caps ships they provided. Chances are they won't run any more events like this either, I know I wouldn't. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Cpt Branko The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.11 22:20:00 - [166] Originally by: Aoa Lux Ban them. + temp-TQ bans People ONLY do this because they know there are NO consequences. Give them some consequences, CCP. Rules are clearly stated on forums AND in test systems. No excuses. No sympathy. Bans. P.S. Triage was not consuming stront. Lag or bug? P.P.S. seriously, tq bans. This monkey-flinging-poop behavior will stop immediately, I guarantee it. This. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lynn de'Marco Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.10.11 22:27:00 - [167] so in response to people being asshats on SiSi and generally trying to make the test server unusable. CCP just go and make the test server unusabel for everyone...... cause that wasn't what the station camping multi sebo titans were trying to do?
Mioelnir Minmatar Meltdown Luftfahrttechnik	Posted - 2009.10.11 22:29:00 - [168] Originally by: Aoa Lux P.S. Triage was not consuming stront. Lag or bug? Neither. When the duration of Triage got halved to 5min, the fuel consumption got halved to 250 also. With an absolute -50 stront per level instead of a percentage reduction, this means Triage on 5 needs no fuel on Sisi.
Susy Assulu Caldari Atomic Mexicans	Posted - 2009.10.11 22:39:00 - [169] Originally by: Mioelnir Originally by: Aoa Lux P.S. Triage was not consuming stront. Lag or bug? Neither. When the duration of Triage got halved to 5min, the fuel consumption got halved to 250 also. With an absolute -50 stront per level instead of a percentage reduction, this means Triage on 5 needs no fuel on Sisi. That explains it then :D Also triage is awesome :)
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2009.10.11 23:53:00 - [170] So not trying to log on the testserver actually was agood idea. +1 for giving temp bans on TQ for rule breakers. Just have a popup with the rules and the punishment for failing to stick to them when logging in. Would solve a lot of problems. Or at least permabans on SiSi for first offence.
smokeydapot	Posted - 2009.10.12 00:08:00 - [171] Originally by: TerrorSquadMF u know what would be a good idea? have the test server for finding bugs! ahh big surprize! and ahve a offline mode where people can have their all lvl 5 skills and capitol ships to blow up, problem solved, well not really cause some1 is going to say i'm an idoit. I support this more after what has transpired over this weekend. Originally by: Ivanna Nuke Originally by: Comodore John Can you allow those of us who are on the test server regularly to be on? Those of us on regularly are obviously not breaking rules (or we would've been banned already) and are providing feedback and not just fooling around. Sounds good, and I like the idea, of approved trusted members being given access for important testing, however how would you "vet" new members onto SISI? I am fairly new to SISI and the testing sessions, so I doubt i'd fit into your new system Suported also regular people on SISI should be the ONLY people involved in such a test more so when it includes all lvl 5 skills.
Kyle7000	Posted - 2009.10.12 00:42:00 - [172] I am kinda glad they shut down the server. A bunch of people were not following the normal rules of SiSi, I don't see why they think that because it's All lvl V that they can do whatever they want. So, thank you CCP, maybe people will know not to be such ass holes and 4 year olds on the test server.
xastrosrulex890	Posted - 2009.10.12 02:46:00 - [173] too bad i could never log in. wanted to test fits for an archon whenever i actually got on on tq, but it looks like that got f***** up thanks to people that fail at ruining the experience for everyone else /rage
HeliosGal	Posted - 2009.10.12 03:02:00 - [174] good solution ccp even though it locks the rest of us out i think ccp can gather enough data to do balancing anyway
cyborg 009 Isk	Posted - 2009.10.12 03:49:00 - [175] why not reset skills to mirror tq but let people keep the Redeem super caps..
Andromecin	Posted - 2009.10.12 03:52:00 - [176] in reality it was a pretty stupid decision to have little or no moderating influence, when you schedule an event like this. there's nothing wrong with hosting this type of event,to all players as long as the resources are available to deal with idots. it wouldn't have required more than one GM, and if their scheduling on a weekend then a gm should designated to reinforce the server rules during the event regardless of the day. Thats what they get paid for. in a game where they are apparently apt to accept independant player feed back for bug testing, you don't give the players the keys to the kingdom and take off for a barbecue, chaos will naturally ensue in the absence of moderation. Thats basic logic and common sense.
HeliosGal	Posted - 2009.10.12 03:59:00 - [177] well either way there would have been data generated all the combat logs. And other data that ccp tends to use by compiling and then balancing. Specific battles apparently dont matter but collective data is important Still it was good that ccp at least put it up to help testing
Kaltooth Amarr	Posted - 2009.10.12 06:32:00 - [178] Originally by: Aoa Lux P.S. Triage was not consuming stront. Lag or bug? I noticed this as well, but I guess this was intentional or the skill needs to be looked at again. One of the recent things they changed was to have triage modules have half the duration than on tq. So down to 300 seconds from 600. However, they also halved the stront cost from 500 to 250. The kicker though is that the Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration skill gives a 50/level stront reduction. So at level 5 (like we all were), it costs no stront to run.
Darth Skorpius Crystalline INC Dead End Society	Posted - 2009.10.12 07:27:00 - [179] i trhink its time ccp set up a closed invite only test server for those of us who actually provide feedback and dont just sit there blowing people up with ships we couldnt normally fly. yes im guilty of using sisi to tryout stuff on, but then most of us are, the difference is that some of us are actually trying to help improve the game ______________________________________________
Cozmik R5 Minmatar Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.12 07:35:00 - [180] With the whole ISD thing, it was showing that there was less monitoring on Sisi, even before the Supercap test. ____________________ Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.

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