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Emil Erlenmeyer
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Posted - 2009.10.12 20:52:00 -
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Was ordering some other books and noticed it was quite cheap so I threw it in there as well.
Anyone here read it?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.12 21:16:00 -
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Yeah I read it when I was 12 or 13 or so, and a few times since. A fascinating read. These days, it's also aditionally interesting to read what Darwin actually said, as opposed to what he's presumed to have said.
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Jonny 101
Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.10.12 21:21:00 -
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He said different things in different editions, the first edition being the best to read if you want what he *actually* said as the other editions are tainted by the phenomenal pressure to make it more pallatable to the general public.
Mind you, as far as i'm aware the changes are very minor and generally political, so who really cares :P Signature needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist |
Spaztick
Terminal Impact Kairakau
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Posted - 2009.10.12 21:33:00 -
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I haven't read it, but I postulate that parts would be outdated by now. Someone give me the cliff notes.
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Jonny 101
Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.10.12 22:00:00 -
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If you're interested in the subject, Dawkins new book is just out "The greatest show on earth" on the evidence for evolution, and God delusion drama aside, if you're interested in evolution it's a good book to read, speaks quite a bit about the origin of species and how biologists have evolved the theories originally put forth by darwin. Signature needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.12 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny 101 If you're interested in the subject, Dawkins new book is just out "The greatest show on earth" on the evidence for evolution, and God delusion drama aside, if you're interested in evolution it's a good book to read, speaks quite a bit about the origin of species and how biologists have evolved the theories originally put forth by darwin.
This, honestly. But you should read The God Delusion as well.
The problem with Darwin's own books is that they're really only useful in a historical context now. While Darwin's core idea was correct, his knowledge of genetics and inheritance was seriously wrong. Modern genetics has given us a far clearer understanding of the actual mechanics of evolution, and developed the theory far beyond Darwin's original work. -----------
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Spaztick
Terminal Impact Kairakau
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Posted - 2009.10.12 23:08:00 -
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My understanding is that Dawkins is a rather fervent athiest, which is all fine and good because who isn't pushing an agenda? The problem I have is that he hides behind his work to do it, and I'm all too concerned that he would be a bit biased.
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Jonny 101
Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.10.12 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Spaztick My understanding is that Dawkins is a rather fervent athiest, which is all fine and good because who isn't pushing an agenda? The problem I have is that he hides behind his work to do it, and I'm all too concerned that he would be a bit biased.
Dawkins is also an evolutionary biologists, and his books on science are very good, the god delusion makes for entertaining reading, i'm a rather fervent atheist myself but if you start tooting that book title on a forum you'll just get flaming and arguing :)
The reason I mention him is that he is his passion for atheisme is really only rivaled by his admiration and knowledge on darwin, which makes his books very usefull if you want to read up on darwin, as Dawkins puts darwin into context with recent science. Signature needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist |
MooKids
Caldari Azure Twilight Engineering
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Posted - 2009.10.12 23:41:00 -
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YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR READING THAT BLASPHEMY!
Sorry, couldn't resist . -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Jonny 101
Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.10.12 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR READING THAT BLASPHEMY!
Sorry, couldn't resist .
Robert Green Ingersoll for the atheists among you, these are legal downloads of his complete lectures, brilliant man and a brilliant reading.
Also recomended for the religious of you, of course :) Signature needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist |
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Caius Severus
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Posted - 2009.10.13 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Spaztick My understanding is that Dawkins is a rather fervent athiest, which is all fine and good because who isn't pushing an agenda? The problem I have is that he hides behind his work to do it, and I'm all too concerned that he would be a bit biased.
On the contrary, he is quite open about it. His books about biology (Climbing Mount Improbable, The Selfish Gene etc) don't really have an atheist agenda, however The God Delusion certainly does, but that is the whole purpose of the book.
He also did a couple of documentaries along the same sort of lines - 'The Root of All Evil?' and 'The Enemies of Reason', both of which are interesting and worth a download.
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Emil Erlenmeyer
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Posted - 2009.10.13 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny 101 He said different things in different editions, the first edition being the best to read if you want what he *actually* said as the other editions are tainted by the phenomenal pressure to make it more pallatable to the general public.
Mind you, as far as i'm aware the changes are very minor and generally political, so who really cares :P
That's what I thought, so I ordered the On the Origin of Species: A Facsimile of the First Edition.
I read Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond some time ago and thought I might as well give this one a go as well.
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Emil Erlenmeyer
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Posted - 2009.10.23 17:19:00 -
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Got it yesterday.
Here's a picture of it and one of the other books I ordered. And I've got to learn the one on the right before christmas.
Originally by: Foodpimp They use a coffee filter, that explains everything you need to know really
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Seriah Rezin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.23 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Yeah I read it when I was 12 or 13 or so, and a few times since. A fascinating read. These days, it's also aditionally interesting to read what Darwin actually said, as opposed to what he's presumed to have said.
For example, the fact that he only used the word 'evolution' - actually 'evolved' - once in the entire book at the very, very end. Recently got to go to a Darwin exhibit at a natural history museum and it was a really great experience.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2009.10.23 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Emil Erlenmeyer
I read Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond some time ago and thought I might as well give this one a go as well.
That is a very intersting reading, but I find that he does not give mans abilities as much recognition as he does mans environment. Then again I have not finished it but I do not see his ideas changing by the end of the book. That does not change the fact that I find much of what he says extremely plausible and still primary influences in mans development over time.
A few months ago I saw a documentary about some river in Africa I beleive. I wish I could remember which one. The scientists said that Darwin would have died and gone to heaven if he had gone there before the Galapagos islands. They are finding that in this river the currents travel so fast in cetain parts of it that fish species have been isolated and evolved differently while only being seperated by a few feet of extremely fast moving water that they could not break through.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.23 21:10:00 -
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The bible is the truth!!! You're all going to burn!!!!
*Runs away laughing maniacally*
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Emil Erlenmeyer
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Posted - 2009.10.24 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon That is a very intersting reading, but I find that he does not give mans abilities as much recognition as he does mans environment. Then again I have not finished it but I do not see his ideas changing by the end of the book. That does not change the fact that I find much of what he says extremely plausible and still primary influences in mans development over time.
Don't you think that's because early man was more at mercy with his environment and therefore Diamond must have put mans ability as a basic condition from the outset of the book? I don't think he stated that explicitly but I feel it might have been implied.
Originally by: Foodpimp They use a coffee filter, that explains everything you need to know really
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