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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.10.12 22:18:00 -
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http://www.physorg.com/news174293159.html
Quote: The world's most powerful particle accelerator, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), could be used to test the principles behind hyperdrive, a possible future form of spacecraft propulsion that could drive spacecraft at a good fraction of the speed of light.
Interesting idea, but will it go anywhere, and will it go anywhere in our lifetimes?
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.13 00:01:00 -
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I'd like to preorder my Rifter-class vessel now, please.
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MooKids
Caldari Azure Twilight Engineering
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Posted - 2009.10.13 01:29:00 -
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Fraction of the speed of light isn't really that fast. It would be good for intrasystem travel, but would still be quite a long trip to reach the next system, requiring either cryogenics or generation ships.
Still, a good step. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.10.13 01:39:00 -
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Im still waiting for the black hole. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Arvald
Caldari Imperial Manufactorum Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.10.13 02:27:00 -
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particle physics gives me a hadron
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.13 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald particle physics gives me a hadron
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Neckbeard Griefmonger
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Posted - 2009.10.13 03:44:00 -
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Well, my little '86 camery moves at a fraction of the speed of light too.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.13 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Interesting idea, but will it go anywhere, and will it go anywhere in our lifetimes?
It depends on how old you are, but most likaly yes. I'd read up on the singularity if you are unaware of Raymond Kurzweil. Basically, the rate of technological advances is speeding up and goes faster and faster. As in the last 100 year we have advanced more than we did in the previous 1000 year. And for the past 10 years we have advanced more than we have done in the past 100 years. And it will just continue to accelerate.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2009.10.13 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Barakkus
Interesting idea, but will it go anywhere, and will it go anywhere in our lifetimes?
It depends on how old you are, but most likaly yes. I'd read up on the singularity if you are unaware of Raymond Kurzweil. Basically, the rate of technological advances is speeding up and goes faster and faster. As in the last 100 year we have advanced more than we did in the previous 1000 year. And for the past 10 years we have advanced more than we have done in the past 100 years. And it will just continue to accelerate.
in other words...in 1 year we have advanced further than during the 100 before that? and in 10 years we will have advanced about 10000 years in tech level?
sweet! i want my meachadrites and hovercar in chrome please. my robotic servant shall be in dark blue and i want my symbiote AI nanites to be named jarvis. ________________________________________________ Tau - Yeah we suck in close combat. To bad you will never get there. For the greater good!!
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.10.13 15:51:00 -
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I didn't realise FTL travel was such a big deal. I already invented it during a quiet spell but couldn't be bothered to make it public. Sadly, I've since thrown the designs away with old phone bills and bank statements. Maybe when I'm done with cold fusion I'll find the time to redo it. -------------
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.13 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 13/10/2009 16:05:29 It's pretty damn amazing
The Law of Accelerating Returns by Ray Kurzweil
An analysis of the history of technology shows that technological change is exponential, contrary to the common-sense "intuitive linear" view. So we won't experience 100 years of progress in the 21st century -- it will be more like 20,000 years of progress (at today's rate). The "returns," such as chip speed and cost-effectiveness, also increase exponentially. There's even exponential growth in the rate of exponential growth. Within a few decades, machine intelligence will surpass human intelligence, leading to The Singularity -- technological change so rapid and profound it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history. The implications include the merger of biological and nonbiological intelligence, immortal software-based humans, and ultra-high levels of intelligence that expand outward in the universe at the speed of light.
The first technological steps-sharp edges, fire, the wheel--took tens of thousands of years. For people living in this era, there was little noticeable technological change in even a thousand years. By 1000 A.D., progress was much faster and a paradigm shift required only a century or two. In the nineteenth century, we saw more technological change than in the nine centuries preceding it. Then in the first twenty years of the twentieth century, we saw more advancement than in all of the nineteenth century. Now, paradigm shifts occur in only a few years time. The World Wide Web did not exist in anything like its present form just a few years ago; it didn't exist at all a decade ago.
http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0134.html?printable=1 Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.13 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus http://www.physorg.com/news174293159.html
Quote: The world's most powerful particle accelerator, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), could be used to test the principles behind hyperdrive, a possible future form of spacecraft propulsion that could drive spacecraft at a good fraction of the speed of light.
Interesting idea, but will it go anywhere, and will it go anywhere in our lifetimes?
i hope not, rather not have a area of europe zoom off into space, might be a bit messy
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Sys Root
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Posted - 2009.10.13 20:27:00 -
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So what happens when your spaceship hits a rock at a few million km/h? Even a tiny piece of space debris would omgwtfpwn your ship at those speeds, we need shields and/or some other means protection before we can propulse ships at "a good fraction of the speed of light"
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.10.13 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sys Root So what happens when your spaceship hits a rock at a few million km/h? Even a tiny piece of space debris would omgwtfpwn your ship at those speeds, we need shields and/or some other means protection before we can propulse ships at "a good fraction of the speed of light"
More likely the rock would be vaporised i would think. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.13 21:30:00 -
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Quote: In the hypervelocity propulsion drive a relativistic particle would repel a stationary mass at a speed greater than its own.
Bad article. Naughty. Wrong. It's not speed, it's momentum which is a whole different kettle of fish. Unless I'm interpreting the article incorrectly of course. ____________________
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.10.13 22:53:00 -
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I personally would just like to be able to take a trip across the solar system before I die, don't care too much about leaving it, I doubt it's very exciting, just the same old stuff :P
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Rin Chan
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Posted - 2009.10.14 23:40:00 -
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Anyone else get images of switzerland suddenly taking off and flying away in their head?
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.10.15 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
will it go anywhere in our lifetimes?
Originally by: Haraldhardrade
The Law of Accelerating Returns by Ray Kurzweil
Ignoring for a moment the images of interplanetary Swiss people bearing gifts of toblerone for any aliens they might meet, the concept of the technological singularity puts a huge question on what you mean by lifetime.
The average lifespan of a human is being extended in an exponential fashion that is linked to the rate of change of technology so 'our lifetimes' may mean very different things for a 15 yr old and a 50yr old.
Barring major accident or disease the 50 yr old will most likely have 30 or more years of active life left at todays technological level, and once their body does start to majorly deteriorate there's likely to be little we can do to help other than give them as much dignity as we can.
The 15 year old on the other hand has an extra 35 years till they reach the age of 50 by which time there may well be treatments available that slow the process of ageing. By the time they reach the age of 80 they may have the physical age of a 60 year old and during that 30 year time period the increased rate of technological change has created even more advanced treatments that can stop or even reverse the effects of ageing which means the 15 year old could potentially live for hundreds or thousands of years.
So yeah there's probably someone alive today who'll see a hyperdrive space ship but i'd still hold off on that order for a rifter class vessel for now
PS see the 2nd link in my sig for more info on how old age is being considered a treatable condition (aka transhumanity) and the technological singularity. _________________________________________________ Lifeboat ----> + Human |
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.10.15 13:34:00 -
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I personally think we won't be able to make it so humans live past ~120 years old...think that's the hard limit to our species.
Being 33, I figure I got another 40 years ahead of me, hopefully it'll happen before I'm old and decrepit, but prolly not.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2009.10.15 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Neckbeard Griefmonger Well, my little '86 camery moves at a fraction of the speed of light too.
Originally by: stationary mass to a sizeable proportion of the speed of light.
WTB '86 4-Banger Import that can go a few thousand miles per second . . . Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
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Eran Laude
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.10.15 16:41:00 -
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Cool :D
Hyperdrives would be **** for interstellar travel, but being able to hop between the planets would be a technological achievement close to a singularity. -----
Originally by: "CCP Whisper" Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.10.15 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 13/10/2009 16:05:29 There's even exponential growth in the rate of exponential growth. Within a few decades, machine intelligence will surpass human intelligence, leading to The Singularity
Stopped reading after that.
What a load of rubbish, "The singularity"
ugh, such a 'tarded deterministic non-scientific approach that anyone sucked in by it needs a slap in the downstairs.
Last I checked, idiots predicting the future and saying some PC-god will inject us in to cyberspace is not amazing at all. EVE Trivia EVE History
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.10.15 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
What a load of rubbish, "The singularity"
NASA would like to disagree with you _________________________________________________ Lifeboat ----> + Human |
BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.10.15 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: yani dumyat
Originally by: BiggestT
What a load of rubbish, "The singularity"
NASA would like to disagree with you
How about you read your damn sources, the only link NASA and that school have with the singularity is the name
The EVE test server is called Singularity, does that mean its already happeneing???!!!!111
If Merin were here he'd have a field day EVE Trivia EVE History
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Foodpimp
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Posted - 2009.10.15 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rin Chan Anyone else get images of switzerland suddenly taking off and flying away in their head?
Dude...that's crazy...
It's not that Switzerland would take off into space, but rather.....the rest of the universe would move around it.
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Dan O'Connor
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.10.17 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus http://www.physorg.com/news174293159.html
Quote: The world's most powerful particle accelerator, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), could be used to test the principles behind hyperdrive, a possible future form of spacecraft propulsion that could drive spacecraft at a good fraction of the speed of light.
Interesting idea, but will it go anywhere, and will it go anywhere in our lifetimes?
Okay so I'm not entirely an expert on these kinds of very special theories. So I need to be clear on something. The Theory Of Relativity states that the faster something with a mass goes, the heavier it gets, and ultimately would have infinite mass at full speed of light (which is why they can only get to 99.99% the speed in the Collider). So far so good.
This effect would probably come into play when used on larger scale objects, say, ships. They would have to compensate for the increasing amount of their own mass, no (even if not coming near the full speed of light) ?
Another issue I see on this is the Time Dilatation effect. Although getting pretty extreme and critical at velocities near the speed of light (according to the Special Theory Of Relativity), this would still play a role on this. Basically it means that for the pilots in a ship using this technique less time would have passed than for people outside, observing them.
I'm not an expert, and these are the issues I see. I might be wrong though. ---
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Wrong Indeed
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Posted - 2009.10.17 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dan O'Connor The Theory Of Relativity states that the faster something with a mass goes, the heavier it gets
But the heavier I get, the slower I move. It's called the Theory Of Fat Slobism...
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Dan O'Connor
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.10.17 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Dan O'Connor The Theory Of Relativity states that the faster something with a mass goes, the heavier it gets
But the heavier I get, the slower I move. It's called the Theory Of Fat Slobism...
Hmm... interesting factor indeed! ---
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2009.10.18 02:55:00 -
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I heard there were theories by scientists involved in the LHC that the first failure was due to a particle coming back through time from an experiment run in the future.
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Northern Fall
Minmatar British Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.18 10:56:00 -
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Cool
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