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Eulalinda
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.14 01:35:00 -
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WTB Wrath Cruise Missiles (T1) and Scourge Heavy Missiles (T1) in bulk in Jita 4-4, i.e. 2-5 million per week of each. Will accept smaller orders. Prices negotiable.
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.15 01:51:00 -
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Bumpski
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Halatosi
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Posted - 2009.10.15 06:17:00 -
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Quick math puts that at a whopping 2-3 ISK profit per missile for the wraths.
IF you dont count fuel costs (stupid)
and IF you dedicated roughly 15-20 slots of production to it, you could fill that order.
Assuming you eek out 3ISK profit per missile (even after fueling costs, your REAL good on the mineral market!)
thats:
18,000,000 a week!
72,000,000 a month!
And all it took was 15+/- slots, alot of hauling, and the inability to make a real profit on those 15 slots.
Unless of course you are a minerals are free and fuel is free ******, then you make big bucks :)
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.15 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Eulalinda on 15/10/2009 10:41:01
Your math and logic are a little questionable.
 Originally by: Halatosi
Assuming you eek out 3ISK profit per missile (even after fueling costs, your REAL good on the mineral market!)
Cost to produce each missile is as low as 21.44. So there's over 4.25 isk profit per missile to be made.
Originally by: Halatosi
thats:
18,000,000 a week!
72,000,000 a month!
And all it took was 15+/- slots, alot of hauling, and the inability to make a real profit on those 15 slots.
If by "alot of hauling" you mean less than 1 jump.... There are manufacturing slots open in Jita stations, and even the cheap ones' (333 isk/hour) queue < 1 hour.
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Halatosi
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Posted - 2009.10.16 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: Halatosi on 16/10/2009 01:35:38
Originally by: Eulalinda
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Even at 4isk per missile the payout is crap.
And your assuming people want to build in jita. <shrug> I was assuming POS for faster build times etc.
But whatever if this is the 'amazing moneymaking op' that you think it is, im sure you will find a taker. Cheers.
And your math for producing Wrath Cruises is very much off.
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.16 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Eulalinda on 16/10/2009 10:01:30
This offer is still valid.
Originally by: Halatosi
I was assuming POS for faster build times etc.
You seem to assume many things.
Originally by: Halatosi
But whatever if this is the 'amazing moneymaking op' that you think it is, im sure you will find a taker. Cheers.
I don't recall ever stating or implying that missiles are an 'amazing moneymaking op'.
Originally by: Halatosi
And your math for producing Wrath Cruises is very much off.
I don't see any math for Wrath Cruises in this thread.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.10.16 12:46:00 -
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Was looking at the market, why don't you just put up a buy order and avoid getting hassles from people like him?
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.17 10:00:00 -
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My corp mate did that. Still need more.
This offer still valid.
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.18 04:54:00 -
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Now paying 26.5 isk ea. for Scourge. That's about 5 isk profit per missile (gross), and I'll likely raise it again tomorrow. So contact me before your competitor does!
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.19 01:19:00 -
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Now paying 27 ISK ea.
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.20 12:50:00 -
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Now paying 27.5 ISK per Scourge Heavy Missile.
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:12:00 -
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Now paying 27.75 isk per Scourge Heavy Missile.
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.22 10:44:00 -
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Now paying 27.9 ISK / Scourge Heavy Missile.
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.23 08:53:00 -
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Now paying 28.1 ISK / Scourge Heavy Missile.
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.26 06:48:00 -
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Looking for a mission runner too.
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Jay Wins
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Posted - 2009.10.26 10:06:00 -
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What's t he advantage for the mission runner if he works with you? It appears to be much better to just run missions alone to get reward, bounty and loot, instead of half the bounty and no loot. |
steejans nix
Amarr
0beron Construct
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Posted - 2009.10.26 10:32:00 -
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Please let me know if my prices are too low, too high, etc
Way too low i'm afraid, there are people paying 1,100 isk per lp JUST for the lp's ie. they not share any of the mission rewards, ie bounties, loot, bonus or the payment for doing the mission.
Am afriad to got to do a hell of a lot better if think that you will get anyone to fall for this, as you getting all loot and approx half the bounties I wouldn't even entertain it for less than 2,500 isk per lp tbh, the way you are planning on doing it.
Would be better to accept the mission, warp them to it and you redock, that way you not slow the mission runner down and they get all the bounties, even then you should be offering 1,500 isk per lp to make it worth it.
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.26 12:37:00 -
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Thanks for the feedback.
Originally by: steejans nix
Would be better to accept the mission, warp them to it and you redock, that way you not slow the mission runner down and they get all the bounties, even then you should be offering 1,500 isk per lp to make it worth it.
If I do it this way, do I need to be docked to avoid taking the bounties? My concern is for missions that require me to get an item to complete the mission, e.g. Damsel in Distress. Then I'll have to undock and get the item. Would it be the same if I were already undocked at the station, or would it cut into the runner's bounties then?
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Prockey
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Posted - 2009.10.26 12:45:00 -
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Yes you need to be docked to aviod splitting the bounty.
As for the mission specific items, if the runner is doing all of the mission,
picking up the item is not that hard.
Please note that this solution makes your plan to slavage while the runner fights mute.
Basically, Pay 2500/lp + rewards. You take loot and salvage and 50 % bounty.
P/
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.26 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Eulalinda on 26/10/2009 13:24:50
Originally by: Prockey
Basically, Pay 2500/lp + rewards. You take loot and salvage and 50 % bounty.
What if I pay 1000 ISK per LP + rewards, I give up all loot and salvage and I reimburse all bounties that I receive to the mission runner? Is that going to attract the veteran mission runners I'm looking for?
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Prockey
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Posted - 2009.10.26 13:35:00 -
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I would think so.
I would take it. if i had the time.
P
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foxische
Caldari
Adeptus Mechanicus Departmento Manufacturum
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Posted - 2009.10.26 20:09:00 -
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I like people, suggesting prices for the service and not doing it :)
[Service]Personal standing increase (UNIQUE!) + Setting a corporation
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Tig
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Posted - 2009.10.26 23:41:00 -
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I looked over the offer and came up with more than a few things that I personally do not like much.
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I want to hire a veteran mission runner to blitz L4 kill missions with me in Caldari and Amarr high sec for standing increases with various NPC corps.
Eulalinda decides what corps and systems to hunt in. This may not be all that good for the mission runner. Poor quality agents or 1.0-0.7 security system means less pay per mission. What ever bonus you would get using her social skills would not make up for this. Also logistics may become a issue.
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I send you the mission specifics including the ISK reward, LP reward and the link. I warp our fleet to the mission and then dock. As soon as it's over I'm going to turn in the mission without splitting the reward so I get 100% of the standing increase. Then I'll pay you and get another mission.
I find this interesting, no disrespect to you but you have all the control without a way for the mission runner to look at the LP or reward gains for honesty.
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I pay you 100% of the mission ISK reward, 100% of the bonus ISK, and 1000 ISK per LP for all LPs rewarded. I have Negotiation at 5 and most connections skills at 4 or 5 (e.g. Political Connections, Labor Connections, etc.), so the rewards for both ISK and LPs will be above average.
Mine are similar and I think many veteran runners have these skills as well to max out mission rewards. You are looking for a mission runner that can blitz missions so the skills you have are needed by that type as well.
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All loot and salvage belong to you. I'd prefer minimal looting to maximize the number of missions we run. However, there will be times when you're waiting on me to turn in the mission, go get a mission-specific item (e.g. the Damsel), etc.
Take this out of the pay equation you want to blitz, runners will not have time to do much looting or salvaging. You can offer the moon but if you are not able to take advantage of the offer it is a moot point.
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Declining Missions
I only decline courier missions should they appear. The only courier mission I would run is Enemies Abound [2 of 5] since it's part of a chain.
Some may not care about faction standing loose I do, but tags from wrecks are the bounties in this type of mission. no looting equals no bounty.
When I looked at your offer the one thing that might appeal to me is not having to deal with LP, since you are willing to pay for it as it is gained. But your price is lower tha just dealing with it. Giving up my independence in a game by not being able to pick where and for whom I mission for the same pay would not work. I all ready have a wife at home I do not need one in game 
I would suggest training or buying a mission runner and a ship that can blitz missions any time or place you like. Then you have the freedom to do what you like when you want to do it.
GL Tig
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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2009.10.27 12:50:00 -
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Posting as the manager of the only legitimate business to provide this service :
No.
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.27 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Eulalinda on 27/10/2009 13:12:59
Originally by: Tig
I looked over the offer and came up with more than a few things that I personally do not like much.
ąEulalinda decides what corps and systems to hunt in. This may not be all that good for the mission runner.
ąno disrespect to you but you have all the controlą.
ąGiving up my independence in a game by not being able to pick where and for whom I mission for the same pay would not work. I all ready have a wife at home I do not need one in game
I would suggest training or buying a mission runner and a ship that can blitz missions any time or place you like. Then you have the freedom to do what you like when you want to do it.
"With freedom comes responsibility," such as the responsibility of training for months to be able to blitz any mission. That's not what this proposal is about.
Does your wife pay you? I do. It appears you are fundamentally opposed to the idea of mercenary for hire as it would take away your "freedom", your "independence", your "control", your ability to "decide". That's fine. This proposal isn't for everyone. Just not sure why you bothered to post, especially since you don't suggest any improvements.
Originally by: Tig
Poor quality agents or 1.0-0.7 security system means less pay per mission.
I wasn't aware that system security had anything to do with mission pay. I thought it was strictly based on agent level and quality, in which case the quality doesn't get much better than Toras Egassuo (CN Command: L4, Q18) in Motsu (the specific agent I alluded to in the OP Hypothetical Example). I'll list the other agents I mean also.
Originally by: Tig
I find this interesting, no disrespect to you but you have all the control without a way for the mission runner to look at the LP or reward gains for honesty.
Any suggestions would be appreciated. Besides, veteran mission runners will have a good idea when someone is lowballing them because they're quite accustomed to the numbers and know what to expect.
Still, I'm willing to use an escrow service if it would build trust.
Originally by: Tig
Take this out of the pay equation you want to blitz, runners will not have time to do much looting or salvaging. You can offer the moon but if you are not able to take advantage of the offer it is a moot point.
The goal is for the runner to salvage the most valuable stuff quickly and skip the rest. Is that possible? I don't know, but I've read that some mission runners only loot BS's as nothing else is worth their time. That would take much less time than looting all frigates, cruisers, battle cruisers, structures, etc.--and then salvaging them all too. Personally, I never loot or salvage L4 missions, but I'm willing to be flexible.
Originally by: Tig
Some may not care about faction standing loose I do, but tags from wrecks are the bounties in this type of mission. no looting equals no bounty.
Not sure what you mean by "faction standing loose". I'm guessing it's a typo for faction standing loss, so I have to guess you're worried that I might decline several missions in a row. I recently added a line to the OP noting that I won't decline more than 1 mission every 4 hours. Furthermore, no one here is concerned about faction standing more than I. After all, I'm the one that started this thread so I can find the best way to attract veteran mercenaries to raise my standings.
Originally by: Tig
When I looked at your offer the one thing that might appeal to me is not having to deal with LP, since you are willing to pay for it as it is gained. But your price is lower tha just dealing with it.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.27 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Imiarr Timshae
Posting as the manager of the only legitimate business to provide this service :
No.
You have mail.
Originally by: foxische
I like people, suggesting prices for the service and not doing it :)
Haha! Foxische's service would be ideal for me. However, as we discussed in game yesterday, he refuses to do missions for 3 of the corporations with which I need to increase my standing: Carthum Conglomerates, Caldari Navy and Amarr Navy. His reasons are fair and you can ask him if you'd like. So I'm looking for someone like him that's willing to work with these corporations. (I will start listing my preferred corporations in the OP.)
Now paying 1200 ISK per LP. Please keep the suggestions coming.
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Tig
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Posted - 2009.10.27 15:41:00 -
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I think you missed the point I was trying to make. You are not offering anything to a mission runner of the quality you are looking for that they can not do for themselves. Mission rewards pay/bonus + bounties and loot/salvage, they make this from their own missions. All you are offering is instant LP payout at a reduced rate. The runner would also miss the story line missions he/she would earn and the possible easy isk off implants like last week 90mil for a yeta BX2.
The point again you may think you are offering pay but you are not offering anything they can not do for themselves. My remark about having a wife was a bit tongue and cheek.
You seem to have a few misconceptions about mission running so let me help you.
1) Quality of agent and security of system both effect mission rewards. Motsu while having a good agent is not a great system to work in IMHO. It is a 0.9 system so the rewards and LP are reduced over a system like Irjunen 0.5 that also has a L4 q18 agent for CPF. Another example is I get better pay from a L4 Q18 0.6 system agent than L4 Q20 0.8 system agent.
2) When doing a faction mission the bounty is in the tags. No bounty for ship kills unless you loot.
3)When doing a faction mission the person killing the faction ships has the potential to lose standing with the race the ship belongs to. In cases like mine if I take to much loss of faction then I am unable to work for agents of that race until I do enough missions for SL missions to correct standing with a friend of the race. Enemies Abound will give a Gallente standing loss for killing ships in 1/5, 3/5, 4/5 and Minmatar loss for 5/5. In extreme cases it could mean not being able to enter space belonging to those factions without being attacked.
4) Drones the bounty is in the loot. No bounty for ship kills.
5) Declining a mission before the 4 hour timer is up only effects the person accepting/declining missions not any gang members.
6) If you are in gang unless you are in the room you do not get bounties so if someone wanted to use your ship for gang bonuses they could.
Suggestions
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It appears you are fundamentally opposed to the idea of mercenary for hire as it would take away your "freedom", your "independence", your "control", your ability to "decide". That's fine. This proposal isn't for everyone. Just not sure why you bothered to post, especially since you don't suggest any improvements.
No if you knew me you would know that I do gain standings for others for pay as well as gain corp standing for people so they can anchor POS. I am very much in favor of being paid for mission running I am very much opposed to a structure like yours. It offers nothing to a mission runner of the quality you are after.
I believe I did offer a suggestion that best fit in with your structure. Train or buy a mission runner and blitz your missions. Gain the standing you want and sell the mission runner.
My other suggestion is hire a service to do the standing for you and pay them the going rate. They accept, turn down missions that best suit them. They have control of who they are working for and make value judgments to achieve your goals. You are not involved, you go about your business of making isk or afk while they gain standing for you. This also reduces the need for both of you to be active at the same time. A lot of my work is done while a client is asleep or at work.
Tig
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:50:00 -
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Yes, I did miss your point that I should find a mission runner service to run me without me being so personally involved in the missions. Thank you for your patience. I was only seeing this plan won't work, and didn't know you knew so much about missions and Eve generally. It's never easy to swallow a random stranger's omen of doom without understanding why.
Originally by: Tig
All you are offering is instant LP payout at a reduced rate. The runner would also miss the story line missions he/she would earn and the possible easy isk off implants like last week 90mil for a yeta BX2.
I don't know how you acquired this BX-2, but if you spent LPs, here's something to consider. The Yeti BX-2 costs 31,750,000 ISK plus 79,375 LPs. You sold yours for "90mil" which means you earned 733.9 ISK per LP, if indeed you spent LP to acquire the implant. (I'm offering 1200 ISK per LP.)
Thank you for the info about the missions. I certainly have a lot to learn about them and they will come in handy for my own mission runner.
Yes, I have a L4 runner. It just takes so long to down a BS in my Drake (compared to a Raven or Golem). That's why I'm looking to subcontract.
Originally by: "Tig"
My other suggestion is hire a service to do the standing for you and pay them the going rate.
Perhaps that is the better solution since I don't want to wait to train all the pilot and missile skills. And thatĘs why I'm here: to find such a service. (I will also mod the OP to leave room for that possibility.) For now I will see what I can work out with Imiarr Timshae who posted above.
I don't know if you offer a similar service to Timshae's, or if you know of anyone that does, but I would like to see a competitor's bids just out of principle.
Thanks for the insight.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Beer and Smoke Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.27 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Eulalinda
I don't know how you acquired this BX-2, but if you spent LPs, here's something to consider. The Yeti BX-2 costs 31,750,000 ISK plus 79,375 LPs. You sold yours for "90mil" which means you earned 733.9 ISK per LP, if indeed you spent LP to acquire the implant. (I'm offering 1200 ISK per LP.)
He was talking about the item as a storyline reward.
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