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Jhodas
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Posted - 2004.10.30 03:56:00 -
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A little bird told me, that an osprey, combined with the right skills, can mine almost as much as an apoc, and MORE that a geddon/meg. All you n00bs out there (myself included) wanting to make some money FAST, take note. Ospreys give 20% bonus to mining laser yield per Caldari Cruiser Level, so l5 give 100% bonus. Couple this with mining L5 (25% bonus), astrogeology L5 (25% bonus) and you have a total of 150% mining yield bonus. This is the equivalent of having 7.5 mining lasers on one ship (ospreys support 3 mining lasers) putting it smack bang in the middle of an apoc and geddon/meg. all for 3.5m and 2 and a half weeks training.
Feel free to correct me if i am talking out of my ass.
I got siggy!!
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Jhodas
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Posted - 2004.10.30 03:56:00 -
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A little bird told me, that an osprey, combined with the right skills, can mine almost as much as an apoc, and MORE that a geddon/meg. All you n00bs out there (myself included) wanting to make some money FAST, take note. Ospreys give 20% bonus to mining laser yield per Caldari Cruiser Level, so l5 give 100% bonus. Couple this with mining L5 (25% bonus), astrogeology L5 (25% bonus) and you have a total of 150% mining yield bonus. This is the equivalent of having 7.5 mining lasers on one ship (ospreys support 3 mining lasers) putting it smack bang in the middle of an apoc and geddon/meg. all for 3.5m and 2 and a half weeks training.
Feel free to correct me if i am talking out of my ass.
I got siggy!!
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Gabriel BriGGs
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Posted - 2004.10.30 04:19:00 -
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heh heh.. i mine crokite out of my rear in my osprey.. :D. make a cool 25mil in a few days of casual mining. not bad! -------------------------------------------- I've had the same Gurista Imputor on my tail for the past 16 systems..
2004.08.16 21:38:37 - Combat: Your 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Blood Sage, wrecking for 324.9 damage.
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Gabriel BriGGs
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Posted - 2004.10.30 04:19:00 -
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heh heh.. i mine crokite out of my rear in my osprey.. :D. make a cool 25mil in a few days of casual mining. not bad! -------------------------------------------- I've had the same Gurista Imputor on my tail for the past 16 systems..
2004.08.16 21:38:37 - Combat: Your 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Blood Sage, wrecking for 324.9 damage.
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June li
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Posted - 2004.10.30 05:34:00 -
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You shouldn't count in the bonus's from astrogeology and the base mining skill, as those apply to any ship. Armageddon/Megathron would be mining with 7 lasers, and with both astrogeology and mining at level 5, they would be mining with the power of 10.5 lasers, so no, osprey isn't better, it's just a really cheap and very expendable alternative. ----------------- "It's funny the way most people love death. Once you're dead you're made for life. You have to die before they think you're worth anything." - Jimi Hendrix |
June li
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Posted - 2004.10.30 05:34:00 -
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You shouldn't count in the bonus's from astrogeology and the base mining skill, as those apply to any ship. Armageddon/Megathron would be mining with 7 lasers, and with both astrogeology and mining at level 5, they would be mining with the power of 10.5 lasers, so no, osprey isn't better, it's just a really cheap and very expendable alternative. ----------------- "It's funny the way most people love death. Once you're dead you're made for life. You have to die before they think you're worth anything." - Jimi Hendrix |
BioNeb
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Posted - 2004.10.30 11:39:00 -
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it's a low budget sollution for when your skills aren't maxed yet.
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BioNeb
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Posted - 2004.10.30 11:39:00 -
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it's a low budget sollution for when your skills aren't maxed yet.
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Stella Centauri
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Posted - 2004.10.30 14:17:00 -
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You should AT LEAST concider mining lvl4. Never seen a miner not having mining lvl4, since that's what you need for miner 2's --------------------------------------- Stella - If your boss gets to choose. |
Stella Centauri
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Posted - 2004.10.30 14:17:00 -
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You should AT LEAST concider mining lvl4. Never seen a miner not having mining lvl4, since that's what you need for miner 2's --------------------------------------- Stella - If your boss gets to choose. |
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Krulla
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Posted - 2004.10.30 14:38:00 -
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You should not figure the astrogeology and mining skill bonuses, as your apoc mega and arma get those as well.
That said, if you feel like spending a month and a half training caldari cruiser lvl 5, the osprey mines as fast as the Dominix, but the dom can protect itself well enough to mine in 0.0 (non ninja).
And dont give me that crap about how you can make as much money ninja mining in a osprey as you can mining in a Dom, becouse you cant.
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Krulla
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Posted - 2004.10.30 14:38:00 -
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You should not figure the astrogeology and mining skill bonuses, as your apoc mega and arma get those as well.
That said, if you feel like spending a month and a half training caldari cruiser lvl 5, the osprey mines as fast as the Dominix, but the dom can protect itself well enough to mine in 0.0 (non ninja).
And dont give me that crap about how you can make as much money ninja mining in a osprey as you can mining in a Dom, becouse you cant.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2004.10.30 17:42:00 -
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Still....
Lose a fully fitted Osprey and you lose what? 6 Million? I guess losing a fully fitted Dominix is like ten times that.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2004.10.30 17:42:00 -
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Still....
Lose a fully fitted Osprey and you lose what? 6 Million? I guess losing a fully fitted Dominix is like ten times that.
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Ayana
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Posted - 2004.10.30 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: June li You shouldn't count in the bonus's from astrogeology and the base mining skill, as those apply to any ship. Armageddon/Megathron would be mining with 7 lasers, and with both astrogeology and mining at level 5, they would be mining with the power of 10.5 lasers, so no, osprey isn't better, it's just a really cheap and very expendable alternative.
Osprey with level 5 caldari cruiser is equal to a ship with 6 mining turrets (3 turrets X 100% bonus to yield = 6). So yes, armageddon or megathron is SLIGHTLY better (by 1 turret), but at what cost?
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Ayana
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Posted - 2004.10.30 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: June li You shouldn't count in the bonus's from astrogeology and the base mining skill, as those apply to any ship. Armageddon/Megathron would be mining with 7 lasers, and with both astrogeology and mining at level 5, they would be mining with the power of 10.5 lasers, so no, osprey isn't better, it's just a really cheap and very expendable alternative.
Osprey with level 5 caldari cruiser is equal to a ship with 6 mining turrets (3 turrets X 100% bonus to yield = 6). So yes, armageddon or megathron is SLIGHTLY better (by 1 turret), but at what cost?
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Al'Htaed
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Posted - 2004.10.30 19:52:00 -
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You also shouldn't forget that for high end ores an Osprey has less wastage because the lasers have more capacity due to the bonus. So for high end ores Miner II's on an Osprey have less wastage than they would on an Armageddon for example. This brings Osprey very close to just as fast of a miner as an Armageddon.
It would be interesting if someone was to test this theory.
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Al'Htaed
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Posted - 2004.10.30 19:52:00 -
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You also shouldn't forget that for high end ores an Osprey has less wastage because the lasers have more capacity due to the bonus. So for high end ores Miner II's on an Osprey have less wastage than they would on an Armageddon for example. This brings Osprey very close to just as fast of a miner as an Armageddon.
It would be interesting if someone was to test this theory.
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shivan
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Krulla
That said, if you feel like spending a month and a half training caldari cruiser lvl 5, the osprey mines as fast as the Dominix, but the dom can protect itself well enough to mine in 0.0 (non ninja).
WTF ROFLMFAO, have u got will and precp at 6 or soemthing, its 25 days for me with no implants --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
shivan
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Krulla
That said, if you feel like spending a month and a half training caldari cruiser lvl 5, the osprey mines as fast as the Dominix, but the dom can protect itself well enough to mine in 0.0 (non ninja).
WTF ROFLMFAO, have u got will and precp at 6 or soemthing, its 25 days for me with no implants --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
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Bangkirai
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Posted - 2004.10.31 00:25:00 -
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Hmm, are the bonusses add as: 25 percent PLUS 25 percent or do they accumulate: 1.25*1.25?
I do know that some things in this game use added bonus and others use multiplied bonus calculations.
So in the first situation, he should not calculate the last 2 skills, but in the second calculation it would matter.
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Bangkirai
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Posted - 2004.10.31 00:25:00 -
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Hmm, are the bonusses add as: 25 percent PLUS 25 percent or do they accumulate: 1.25*1.25?
I do know that some things in this game use added bonus and others use multiplied bonus calculations.
So in the first situation, he should not calculate the last 2 skills, but in the second calculation it would matter.
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Krulla
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Posted - 2004.10.31 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ayana
Originally by: June li You shouldn't count in the bonus's from astrogeology and the base mining skill, as those apply to any ship. Armageddon/Megathron would be mining with 7 lasers, and with both astrogeology and mining at level 5, they would be mining with the power of 10.5 lasers, so no, osprey isn't better, it's just a really cheap and very expendable alternative.
Osprey with level 5 caldari cruiser is equal to a ship with 6 mining turrets (3 turrets X 100% bonus to yield = 6). So yes, armageddon or megathron is SLIGHTLY better (by 1 turret), but at what cost?
They dont mine a whole lot faster, but dont forget they can defend themselves from 0.0 npcs. To mine in 0.0 the osprey needs to ninja mine or rely on buddies for protection.
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Krulla
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Posted - 2004.10.31 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ayana
Originally by: June li You shouldn't count in the bonus's from astrogeology and the base mining skill, as those apply to any ship. Armageddon/Megathron would be mining with 7 lasers, and with both astrogeology and mining at level 5, they would be mining with the power of 10.5 lasers, so no, osprey isn't better, it's just a really cheap and very expendable alternative.
Osprey with level 5 caldari cruiser is equal to a ship with 6 mining turrets (3 turrets X 100% bonus to yield = 6). So yes, armageddon or megathron is SLIGHTLY better (by 1 turret), but at what cost?
They dont mine a whole lot faster, but dont forget they can defend themselves from 0.0 npcs. To mine in 0.0 the osprey needs to ninja mine or rely on buddies for protection.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2004.10.31 05:44:00 -
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above statements are right, at lvl 5 it is 6 lasers, mega is 7 and apoc is 8 not 7..... and all is ture, its great and expendable, but cant defend itself, its ur choice i guess
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2004.10.31 05:44:00 -
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above statements are right, at lvl 5 it is 6 lasers, mega is 7 and apoc is 8 not 7..... and all is ture, its great and expendable, but cant defend itself, its ur choice i guess
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Nepereta
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Posted - 2004.10.31 13:33:00 -
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one thing that is worth mentioning is the loss due to rounding down on piece size. You won't notice it much on low ends but the high ends have large piece sizes The two mining cruisers have greatly increased yield per laser and not not greatly increased yield by a number of lasers ( I forget the exact sums but I ran some spreadsheets based on ark/bistot mining and the benefits are good. The large yield per laser plays to this well.) Also as mentioned before this ship is expendable especially in terms of mining the good stuff.
It means any 0.0 corp can ship newbs in to do mining efficiently and quickly and make some serious wedge for a tiny outlay (3-4m). Also solo players use these ships for ninja mining since the risks are lower than using apoc (especially with all the safespot ship heists in 0.0 these days). Apparently though boarding one of these at a safespot does not pick up the mining bonus(patches may have fixed this) Which kinda slows an intensive operation( ie multiple bmed roids belts with safespotted cache with hauler) since you would haul ass back to station on occasions you wished to change back/get back into the mining ship.
In any case get rich as quick as you can.. I wasted alot of time as a newb just sitting in thorax mining omber hiding in empire waiting for a wedge before venturing out. By the time I went out I was rich anyway and I felt I lost out slightly on the enjoyment of 0.0 mining(done it a bit but largerly as a favour to others, did a lot more omber mining). Get to 0.0 and get mining in one of those little mining ships you will be rich in no time once you have decent wedge you don't have to commit so many wasted hours to staring at rubbish roids whilst nothing good happens.
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Nepereta
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Posted - 2004.10.31 13:33:00 -
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one thing that is worth mentioning is the loss due to rounding down on piece size. You won't notice it much on low ends but the high ends have large piece sizes The two mining cruisers have greatly increased yield per laser and not not greatly increased yield by a number of lasers ( I forget the exact sums but I ran some spreadsheets based on ark/bistot mining and the benefits are good. The large yield per laser plays to this well.) Also as mentioned before this ship is expendable especially in terms of mining the good stuff.
It means any 0.0 corp can ship newbs in to do mining efficiently and quickly and make some serious wedge for a tiny outlay (3-4m). Also solo players use these ships for ninja mining since the risks are lower than using apoc (especially with all the safespot ship heists in 0.0 these days). Apparently though boarding one of these at a safespot does not pick up the mining bonus(patches may have fixed this) Which kinda slows an intensive operation( ie multiple bmed roids belts with safespotted cache with hauler) since you would haul ass back to station on occasions you wished to change back/get back into the mining ship.
In any case get rich as quick as you can.. I wasted alot of time as a newb just sitting in thorax mining omber hiding in empire waiting for a wedge before venturing out. By the time I went out I was rich anyway and I felt I lost out slightly on the enjoyment of 0.0 mining(done it a bit but largerly as a favour to others, did a lot more omber mining). Get to 0.0 and get mining in one of those little mining ships you will be rich in no time once you have decent wedge you don't have to commit so many wasted hours to staring at rubbish roids whilst nothing good happens.
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