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Kara Sharalien
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Posted - 2009.10.19 05:32:00 -
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one of the big problems i have with the assembly hall system is that there is a support button, but not an unsupported button.
why is this a problem?
it means you cannot be neutral. in order to gauge how well an idea is liked, you have to compare the number of supports to the total number of posts.
this creates an atmosphere of "if you arnt with us, you are against us" because it means if you dont post with an explicit support, you are reducing the apparent support level.
i propose a "not supported" tick box. if you tick "not supported" it deducts a point from the "supported" tally.
this means an item can have negative or positive support, but more importantly allows people to post constructive but not explicitly supportive posts, without seeming to cast a "not supported" vote. the Luminare titan: lets pop that *****! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1175042&page=1 |
Kara Sharalien
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Posted - 2009.10.19 05:39:00 -
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obviously supported. the Luminare titan: lets pop that *****! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1175042&page=1 |
Gone'Postal
Naviworks Inc
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Posted - 2009.10.19 06:22:00 -
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Supported.
Originally by: Rells
Without the carebears, the economy would be dead.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.10.19 06:42:00 -
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I'd almost prefer that the thread summary have explicit thumbs-up/thumbs-down counts, not a total, but that's really secondary.
Yes, this has been asked for since day one, and with good reason. It'd sort out the mess immensely. Supporting it, again.
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Alizandro Goderaski
Minmatar Broski Enterprises No Fun Allowed
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Posted - 2009.10.19 09:40:00 -
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Not Supported.
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.19 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 19/10/2009 09:49:39
Originally by: Alizandro Goderaski Not Supported.
But how can we tell?
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Kara Sharalien
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Posted - 2009.10.19 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alizandro Goderaski Not Supported.
/me strikes one up for "neutral" the Luminare titan: lets pop that *****! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1175042&page=1 |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.10.19 10:41:00 -
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I think CCP is worried, with justification, about attracting trolls, griefers and troublemakers to this forum. Since you can't just give thumbs down, people are more likely to actually bother typing reasons why the idea is bad. Certainly this is not always going to happen, especially on the 101st thread about salvage "thieves", but I doubt devs bother with those threads either. I'm guessing that from the perspective of developers, the current system is much more fruitful.
I do agree, that there is no way of immediately show you are neutral, but I doubt this is an actual issue. It will make some ideas look to have less support than they actually have, since the OP had a lacking solution or understanding, but I think it is pretty foolish to think that any changes are made on the basis of the number of thumbs up compared to the total number of posts. It only shows there is interest on the matter and how the playerbase is feeling about the issue/solution proposed, but the actual arguments in the posts are propably much more influential.
I'm not sure why there is any real need to fix problems of appearances, since popularity isn't going to get your idea passed anyway. It is the good reasons and ideas you have to provide and usually can provide on popular matters, that will decide the issue.
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Ariane VoxDei
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Posted - 2009.10.19 10:45:00 -
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Supported.
Not because i think it is good to thus open the door to "vote no because i dont like you". Supporting because it allows you to show "i have seen it and want to vote against it" as opposed to now where a lack of support vote may mean anything from: you have not even seen the thread, over you have seen it but have not decided yet, to you are adamantly against the idea/motive.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.19 11:05:00 -
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Fix Destroyers |
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De'Veldrin
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.10.19 11:19:00 -
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Yes please. --Vel
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Lunewraith
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.10.19 15:52:00 -
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Thumbs up to thumbs down.
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Dagrin RDM
The Leather Knights Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.10.19 17:54:00 -
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Sounds like a reasonable idea.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.10.19 18:03:00 -
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Not supported, as this is based off the flawed idea that the number of thumbs up posts (as compared to the total number of posts) is what indicates whether the idea will be brought to CCP by the CSMs. This is incorrect.
The thumbs up feature on the Assembly Hall posts can allow the CSMs to easily eyeball the threads. They can see by the number which topics have caught the eye of many people and then go into the threads themselves to see what kind of support (or lack thereof) there actually is for the idea.
TL;DR - There is no # of Thumbs Up per # of unique posters formula that makes the idea presented to CCP. It just allows CSM to notice threads to look at.
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2009.10.19 19:37:00 -
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Not having it makes you sound like you're against the topic unless you click the support. I've sometimes not involved myself in discussions where I couldn't quite decide, and I've supported topics without being sure what the suggested topic actually means.
This button would be helpful.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.19 22:11:00 -
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Supported, not just because it makes sense, but because the ability for users to Vote For and Against Proposals ANONYMOUSLY was promised in the original Draft for how this Forum was supposed to Work.
There was never meant to be a requirement to post to Support an Idea. Actually coding in the originally promised Functionality for this forum would get rid of a large amount of spam from the topics in the form of posts simply put in to bump up the support count without adding to any discussion to the idea being put forward.
It'd also get rid of Alt supports by tying the ability to vote in each Topic to the Account rather than the posting character.
Having said that, I seem to remember supporting this very issue a couple of other times in the past. ---------------
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Kara Sharalien
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Posted - 2009.10.19 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kara Sharalien on 19/10/2009 23:10:33
Originally by: Dretzle Omega Not supported, as this is based off the flawed idea that the number of thumbs up posts (as compared to the total number of posts) is what indicates whether the idea will be brought to CCP by the CSMs. This is incorrect.
The thumbs up feature on the Assembly Hall posts can allow the CSMs to easily eyeball the threads. They can see by the number which topics have caught the eye of many people and then go into the threads themselves to see what kind of support (or lack thereof) there actually is for the idea.
and this is wasting the CSM's time.
let me show you why:
hypothetical thread:
2000 posts on thread, 500 supports.
looks pretty promising, eh?
except that in that thread, 500 posts are supportive, 500 are neutral and 1000 are negative.
if there were a "not supported" box, that tally would have shown -500 instead of 500, and the CSM would have known that it was an unpopular idea.
instead, they have to tunnel though the entire thread to get an overview o just how unpopular the idea is.
if you have a way to show your liking for an idea, but no way to show your disliking, it cannot help but create misrepresentation. the Luminare titan: lets pop that *****! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1175042&page=1 |
Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.10.19 23:19:00 -
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totally and utterly unsure of support or not. maybe ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.19 23:47:00 -
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Supporting... in spite of the idiot trolls. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
WheatGrass
Silent but Friendly
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Posted - 2009.10.20 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: WheatGrass on 20/10/2009 01:01:58
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 19/10/2009 09:49:39
Originally by: Alizandro Goderaski Not Supported.
But how can we tell?
I don't care WHO said it. That there's funny right there.
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Arengor
Glittering Dust Wild Hunt.
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Posted - 2009.10.20 04:38:00 -
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Supported. |
Dirty Wizard
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Posted - 2009.10.20 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dirty Wizard on 20/10/2009 05:35:01 I'll support this sure.
But I am concerned that some players may spam the thumbs up/down option to artificially impact the threads relevance.
It would be nice if each account was only allowed one support/unsupport per thread. __________________________________ Want to help fix the CSM process? Show your support here. |
Kara Sharalien
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Posted - 2009.10.20 23:22:00 -
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shameless bump
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY BOAT?!
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2009.10.24 16:20:00 -
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+1
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Amoranis
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Posted - 2009.10.24 20:58:00 -
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x
i support this msg.
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Mr Spot
I Blame Chum
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Posted - 2009.10.25 15:22:00 -
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Supporting not supporting.
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Song Li
MinmaTire Corporation LTD
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Posted - 2009.10.25 17:16:00 -
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Excellent idea which seems like a no brainer
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Kara Sharalien
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Posted - 2009.10.26 05:53:00 -
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thanks for the support people
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY BOAT?!
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Mynxee
Hellcats The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.10.27 12:26:00 -
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Would like to see an Unsupported flag (and don't forget to add the column to the forum post summary, ccp!)
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aetherguy881
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 19/10/2009 09:49:39
Originally by: Alizandro Goderaski Not Supported.
But how can we tell?
Exactly! ------------------- Always remember this about EVE:
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