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Veshta Yoshida
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.19 10:27:00 -
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A freeze on all VP gain with immediate effect until CCP gets their thumbs out and fixes the complex mechanics. Reset all systems to uncontested if necessary.
NOTE: This has nothing to do with ISK, LP or anything other than pure mechanics of the plexing side of the war.
Minimum requirements for any kind of evenness/fairness/fun:
- Check for presence of NPC's to be conducted befor timer can count down (ie. kill rats for capture).
- Bugged timers that show captured even after remaining in range for LONGER than the original timers duration.
- Timers running on its own after player has warped out. Being heavily exploited by some people but all GM's are not even aware of the bug.
- Equalization of NPC ability to affect players. Remove eWar if need be, mix weapon ranges and stop NPC's from engaging anything more than 100km from timer, even rookie ship commanders are not that stupid.
- NPC's to fire on anyone regardless of standings if not in allied militia. Will minimize neutral RR use and remove the standings abuse.
- An upper limit on number of plexes that can be present in any one system.
Probably even more things that are broken, but there are so many shards that they are blocking the view.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:17:00 -
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Sounds good to me, as long as CCP sort things out quickly.
I'd also either add webber batteries to the complexes, or disable MWDs within them, the same as with proper deadspace.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.10.20 20:54:00 -
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The filthy doucebags that abuse(d) the timer exploit should be banned to hell and back.
I made a reproducable defect for CCP when I was in Iceland so QA is aware of it and they'll fix it. Now they need to BAN the people that exploited this. Ever wondered how certain people could decontest everything while you were sleeping for an hour? Now you know.
I agree with all other points too. ---
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Erik Finnegan
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2009.10.21 07:17:00 -
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As Ankhe said, we showed to CCP the most prominent exploit during fanfest. Being a defect and in QA, adding to this the FW balancing issue, I am not sure if we need another FW motion in the CSM pipeline : I can already re-raise the issue and request for feedback, and I will do so during the next and (for this term) concluding CSM-CCP meeting mid-November.
Until then, I will use the CSM contacts at CCP to inquire about the progress.
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Veshta Yoshida
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.23 10:38:00 -
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As much as I would love to think that poking CCP repeatedly gets the job done, they don't exactly have a pristine track record in regards to FW.
- The bug that they marvelled at in Iceland was reported and presumably reproduced/fixed internally back in July which is obviously not the case. - They have stated that they have no idea what causes timers to behave as they do, which gave rise to the defunct cloaking exploit and the timers refusing capture. - They removed MWD from vanilla missions back in the day specifically to prevent people from speed-tanking/kiting NPCs due to limited AI, yet they turn a blind eye to the exact same thing in FW. - To top it off they have not had a single employee utter the words Factional Warfare (if you disregard the round table on it that is).
By instantly freezing VP/Standings gain from plexes but leaving them for PvP purposes, CCP can have the time they need to make it fair to all parties and squash the bugs either by changing the mechanics or finding the offending code.
I just do not have a lot of faith left in CCP's ability to fix the mish-mash of code that FW mechanics is comprised of.
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Veshta Yoshida
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:53:00 -
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Back to the top due to extreme relevance in the aftermath of Caldari forces foray into Metropolis.
Factional Warfare has become Exploit Warfare.
Whomever has the largest number of "legitimate" game-mechanic abuses/loop-holes available to them, wins. It has to stop.
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No Mauk'Ob
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.18 20:52:00 -
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agreed and supported 100% ------------------------------------------------ Captain No Mauk'Ob Murientor Tribe Navy 1st MCW MURIE is Recruiting! |
Andreus LeHane
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:12:00 -
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I'd go further: CCP needs to return all systems to their original control, freeze them and completely disable the militias until FW is fixed. The alt-spamming, the timer bug, the standings issues, NPC aggro on friendly targets, intra-militia wardecs, extra-militia wardecs, occupancy mechanics in general... you know, heck, while we're on the subject, the pathetically transparent imbalance in the Scope News reporting, http://fwstats.eve-ic.net/, the schizophrenic prime fiction - it's all got to go, and FW's got to go too, until it's fixed. -----
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Veshta Yoshida
- To top it off they have not had a single employee utter the words Factional Warfare (if you disregard the round table on it that is).
This.
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Vlad Konstantinov
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.19 13:39:00 -
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BloodBird
V I R I I Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.12.19 16:15:00 -
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Supporting this. Frankly, in a game that get's less and less interesting for me the longer I keep playing the promise of FW is one of the few things that keeps me paying for my accounts. Frankly, if FW was fixed and implemented as it was supposed to be (eternal war of fun and games between all involved) then I honestly would have more fun and I'm sure others would too. This in turn would surely gain CCP more costumers as more an more find out how great FW can be.
Veshta's proposal is supported.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.12.19 19:47:00 -
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Nephilim Xeno
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.12.20 08:49:00 -
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/support
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Laerise
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.20 09:57:00 -
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Yes.
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2009.12.20 10:56:00 -
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Long time overdue, should have happened a year ago
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Merdaneth
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.20 13:43:00 -
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Daraasi
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.20 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Daraasi on 20/12/2009 15:46:07 Very much this, and if I could I'd give a second thumbs up for Ankhs proposal, I'd like to start to see some bannings and some people burnt at the stake.
Tis the season.
Per Aspera Ad Astra Ceterum Censeo Jovenem Esse Delendam |
Ahab Keat
Vault - Tek
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Posted - 2009.12.20 17:43:00 -
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Supporting this!
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TYR3L
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Posted - 2009.12.21 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: TYR3L on 21/12/2009 20:58:33 Supported.
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2009.12.21 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Mister Xerox on 21/12/2009 21:28:10
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 20/10/2009 21:21:22
The filthy doucebags that abuse(d) the timer exploit should be banned to hell and back. CCP is aware of this happening and will hopefully BBQ some people soon, I just sent ANOTHER email to CCP to hopefully speed things up, and sent this thread to Erik so he can at least schedule it to go through the CSM. If you got names and screenshots and the GMs do nothing, email them to me (in my profile in case you don't have my email yet). I'll make some work of it.
I made a reproducable defect for CCP when I was in Iceland so QA is aware of it and they'll fix it. Now they need to BAN the people that exploited this. Ever wondered how certain people could decontest everything while you were sleeping for an hour? Now you know.
I agree with all other points too.
Walk everybody through the process the same way the guy did with the moon exploit and they'll be forced to react to it quickly.
Otherwise, while they know about it, they'll do nothing (just as they did nothing for years when fully aware of the issue with moon materials).
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.12.28 05:57:00 -
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I completely agree to a freezing of the FW map (reset, where sovereignty equals occupancy) either by CCP or by the players. If we wanted to hold a pilot's boycott on plexing, to make a point, I would be in favour of negotiating this on the Minmatar/Amarr front.
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