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Karo Tsakkatoa
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:34:00 -
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Go ask the miners who whined and wanted the same for stealing from jetcans how well that worked out for them.
That is all.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:37:00 -
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And on the left side of the thread, please note the dead horse.
Please refrain from beating the dead horse.
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Sloth Arnini
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:38:00 -
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Actually, that's precisely why I'd quite like to see salvage theft resulting in flagging.
More explosions = better game.
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Karo Tsakkatoa
Go ask the miners who whined and wanted the same for stealing from jetcans how well that worked out for them.
That is all.
What they are somehow worse off now than they were when people could take their crap with no potential risk?
Sure a miner won't always contest a can with a flipper hell lost half a can the other day to a flipper because my combat pilot was in a mission a couple systems away.
But we've also managed to get some cans back when flippers weren't quite as good at PVP as they thought they were.
Flagging salvagers will encourage more PVP in the end and more PVP is good sauce.
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Bababoee
Amarr
Relevent Technologies
DRACONIAN COVENANT
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sloth Arnini
Actually, that's precisely why I'd quite like to see salvage theft resulting in flagging.
More explosions = better game.
Never thought of it this way. Ninja salvaging will actually result in more mission runner deaths. I am suddenly for this.
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Strykitt
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sloth Arnini
Actually, that's precisely why I'd quite like to see salvage theft resulting in flagging.
More explosions = better game.
You know I have always supported the current non-ownership of salvage, after all it's just junk floating in space. Never looked at it like this though, I'm all for anything that promotes more PvP =)
Lets see how many mission runners are really willing to attack someone who salvages a wreck.
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Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.10.20 16:02:00 -
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You get the best loot from salvage if you NOS the wreck first
Originally by: Machine Delta
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Leather Jack
Kernite Commando
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Posted - 2009.10.20 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Leather Jack on 20/10/2009 16:17:50
Originally by: Spurty
You get the best loot from salvage if you NOS the wreck first
Stop trolling.
Everyone with their head screwed on right knows that you target paint the wrecks to get higher amount of salvage.
Bigger wreck = more salvage inside.
Edz: spellz
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.20 16:24:00 -
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This is only mentioned about 30 times by now.
(Which is also why i am happy in dominion you can remove it that people are flagged when they steal from you, it only happens when i am in a pve ship and only an idiot fires on another ship when they are in pve ship).
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Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.10.20 16:33:00 -
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how about you >>>>>>FIT<<<<<<< a stupid salvager on your stupid mission running ship during stupid missions.
if you don't salvage it once you made it then you obvisouly don't want it and so it belongs to anyone. If you wanted it that badly you would have a salvager on the ship ready to get it.
as they say
you snooze you loose
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Frug
Veyr
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Posted - 2009.10.20 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bababoee
Originally by: Sloth Arnini
Actually, that's precisely why I'd quite like to see salvage theft resulting in flagging.
More explosions = better game.
Never thought of it this way. Ninja salvaging will actually result in more mission runner deaths. I am suddenly for this.
I never thought I would support this change, but suddenly.. I do!
I cannot wait for these idiots to start shooting back.
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Erialor Godsent
Gallente
Federal Navy Support Divison
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Posted - 2009.10.20 16:39:00 -
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Being a dumb mission runner I fully support this - not that I'd shoot back though, but I suspect others might 
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.20 16:44:00 -
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Serious you guys didnt realise it yet? It has only been told in every topic (700 roughly) 3 times at least.
Sadly why it doesnt give you more kills: If you want them to shoot you you can allready just take their loot and they are flagged, so not much changes there.
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Stargazer Monk
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.10.20 17:05:00 -
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I'm surprised so many people are against salvage flagging...and it's not the carebears either which is even more puzzling. Lets face it the vocal forum dwellers are always on about how much carebears suck and are killing the game and need to DIE! (in game) ...this is another option for pew pew is it not? Any time this comes up they always pop out with the "you'll be sorry" and "be careful what you wish for" retort lol. I say flag em all and let god sort em out .
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Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.10.20 17:12:00 -
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im against it because look at the ninja salvagers, they are using the sandbox to the full advantage and using game mechanics.
if there is any game mechanic they need to look into it flagging for neutral remote reppers to stop stupid station games by people that would actually die. also increase the docking times to go with the HP boost that eve had a long time ago but kept the timers the same.
balance there is what needed not some idiot mission runners that are to lazy to bring a salvager and then complain when wrecks in space get taken
priority people
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.10.20 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Tardbar on 20/10/2009 17:14:20
Originally by: Stargazer Monk
I'm surprised so many people are against salvage flagging...and it's not the carebears either which is even more puzzling. Lets face it the vocal forum dwellers are always on about how much carebears suck and are killing the game and need to DIE! (in game) ...this is another option for pew pew is it not? Any time this comes up they always pop out with the "you'll be sorry" and "be careful what you wish for" retort lol. I say flag em all and let god sort em out.
I think the point that CCP tries to make is that salvaging has no inherit rights because its just that... Salvaging. It was never intended as a secondary income to mission running as the rights to the salvaging part of the wreck.
As in salvaging is WAD (Was As Designed) because CCP doesn't view the salvaging material rightfully the owner of the person who destroyed the wreck because that does not fall within the definition of salvaging.
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.10.20 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
im against it because look at the ninja salvagers, they are using the sandbox to the full advantage and using game mechanics.
Because they are even more carebear than the mission runner? And how exactly is a mission runner NOT using the sandbox and game mechanics to their full advantage?
I say flag 'em, it will cause more fighting, mission ship losses when they try to kill the salvager in a bad fit, more explosions overall. Fun stuff.
Might even get people to come up with PvE fits that can survive PvP too. Who knows.
Or even baiting of salvagers.
Or whatever else will make for more kaboom with the spaceships.
But most of all it will hopefully stop the carebears whining about ninja salvaging not flagging, and it will also stop the non-carebears from whining about the carebears whining.
Either way, too much darn whining is going on.
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Maddock Krug
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Posted - 2009.10.20 17:49:00 -
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Well, why not ... ? Let's do it.
Since most MR still get the hell out of the place someone else shows up; and since many ninja-salvager also loot and get the red flag as well in order to get some pew ...
No reason to find worthless arguments pro and con; they all are bull**** since all boil down to gamemechanics. And playing the game with all the mechanics available - regardless of the point from which you approach them - is just alright.
Enjoy. And fly reckless.
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Ukucia
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.20 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Tardbar
As in salvaging is WAD (Was As Designed) because CCP doesn't view the salvaging material rightfully the owner of the person who destroyed the wreck because that does not fall within the definition of salvaging.
No, CCP didn't think we'd all want rigs. That's why they were released in one-size-fits-all configuration. They believed we'd just put rigs on the really special ships (caps, and such) and would never bother rigging T1. Thus, salvage wasn't going to be all that valuable, but would provide a nice income stream for the folks that bothered to scan down all the wrecks in a 3-system radius.
However, this is an MMO. People will leap all over any advantage they can get, even if it's a small advantage. So salvage became much more valuable than loot, and being a ninja salvager ended up paying a lot better than the other no-risk activities.
They put in multi-sized rigs to fix one half of their oversight. Now they just need to fix the other half (flag 'em, and let the "pew pew lazors" sort it out).
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Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar
Kiroshi Group
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Posted - 2009.10.20 18:15:00 -
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I say we end the carebear salvage career where they have Concord protection and almost zero chance of drawing aggression from the mission rats. PVPers should be for this with all the carebear hate threads lately when the supposed "carebear" mission runners have been begging for red blinky targets for years already.
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Janie Suspect
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Posted - 2009.10.20 18:37:00 -
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I think it should flag ninja salvagers. They pretty much have a risk free way to generate ISK. Isn't EVE all about introducing risk where there is none? Salvaging is a risk free mini-profession, the ultimate in carebearing. You can do this with out any risk to your ship or sec rating, unless of course you steal some loot.
Why not have it flag them? Why should CONCORD get involved in a dispute over property (even if that propety doesn't belong to 'anyone')? I say force the ninjas to duke it out for what they want. It's time to end this risk free profession.
 *readies the bucket for ninja tears*
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Annika Klar
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Posted - 2009.10.20 20:10:00 -
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Flag it if you want.
Let me scan down just wrecks too then.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2009.10.20 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bababoee
Originally by: Sloth Arnini
Actually, that's precisely why I'd quite like to see salvage theft resulting in flagging.
More explosions = better game.
Never thought of it this way. Ninja salvaging will actually result in more mission runner deaths. I am suddenly for this.
That is the reason I've been for that idea every time it comes up.  Those juicy CNRs and Golems... and so I can **** over ninjas, too, if they use something silly like an interceptor.
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Dharh
Gallente
Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.20 22:23:00 -
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I now also support this. Also a delay on CONCORDSMASH. If both players hit eachother in the within the time (5 seconds?) CONCORD doesn't come to ruin the fun.
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Monkey Saturday
Asteroid Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.10.20 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Strykitt
Lets see how many mission runners are really willing to attack someone who salvages a wreck.
I've had mining cats attack my ishtar with their drone after flipping a can.
Never underestimate the mistaken appearance of a red on overview as being just another rat 
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.10.20 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 20/10/2009 23:21:02
I fully support (a) probing down wrecks, and (b) flagging salvagers to the owner of the wreck.
Originally by: De'Veldrin
And on the left side of the thread, please note the dead horse.
Please refrain from beating the dead horse.
But it's such a large immobile target!
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Dirty Wizard
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Posted - 2009.10.20 23:32:00 -
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Remember the old saying of "Be careful what you wish for because you may just get it."
Um yeah. This is one of those instances where what players are wishing for may turn around and bite them in the rear.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.10.21 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Wizard
Um yeah. This is one of those instances where what players are wishing for may turn around and bite them in the rear.
I think you'll find that people supporting the idea of flagging ninja-salvagers are split 50/50 between the mission runners and the ninja salvagers themselves. What's better than ninja salvaging a few dozen armour plates? Looting two Pithi A-type boosters, of course :)
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