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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 21/10/2009 10:16:30 Edited by: Tamahra on 21/10/2009 10:16:15
Originally by: Myra2007 Not the first time you raise this point in a thread of your own, is it? (My memory may betray me but I am pretty sure...)
What is your agenda if I may ask?
hai. No havent brought this up before. As for the question what the purpose of this thread is: im just looking to see what the general consensus is about that topic.
And so far, the general consensus seems to be, that theres nothing to be afraid of, and that it will only benefit us eve players, since ccp will take on any competition by developing eve even faster and better :p
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 21/10/2009 10:25:14 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 21/10/2009 10:20:09
Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo Cool. More SciFi games to get folks hooked on spaceships.
Then when those games fail many of those players will come here.
Looks like a win for CCP.
This.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Xetal Maelstrom
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:21:00 -
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As far as I know, all of these games possess no risk for failure, and thus will grow boring quickly.
I've played many MMORPGs over the last 14 years... and running from a respawn point to mash your face against an enemy, eventually die, respawn again, all with really no consequences... that gets boring.
The two most fun MMORPGs I've played are UO and EVE. In both of these games you lose stuff when you die, and that makes combat exciting. If you don't care if you live or not, then it gets boring.
Star Trek Online looked promising, until I read that death carries no real penalty. Boo.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:25:00 -
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Sorry I'm too busy playing the massively successful Pirates of the Burning sea, Conan: Hyborian adventures and Warhammer online.....
So yeah, keep on hyping new unproven space themed or pvp themed mmos. It is very hard to beat EVE-ONLINE with its 5 years of polish and content.
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra 1 MB banner!
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Myra2007
Shafrak Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tamahra
hai. No havent brought this up before.
Its true then I am getting old. Apologies I don't know what made me think this. --
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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khendro
Caldari Unholy Asylum
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Posted - 2009.10.21 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: khendro on 21/10/2009 11:03:56
Originally by: Tamahra i just had a look at mmorpg.com, and to my surprise its the first time ever that no single fantasy mmorpg is in the Top 6 of the highest anticipated mmmo¦s in development.
Guess what the Top 6 are: Six Scifi MMORPG¦s
Star Trek Online 8.43
Star Wars: The Old Republic 8.38
Earthrise 8.31
Jumpgate Evolution 8.27 Black Prophecy 8.26
Infinity: The Quest for Earth 8.26
Its like the industry and mmorpg playerbase has enough of fantasy rpgs. CCP has challenging times ahead.
Star Trek Online: might be cool, but not everyone likes the Star Trek setting. One of the big features this game does have is that it will feature both space and ground combat. Still they are also limited because of the franchise, so it will never be completely player-driven as EVE Online
Star Wars: The Old Republic: Woot! looks like a decent SW MMORPG! But as far as i know it does not feature space combat, so i don't really see how it can be a competitor for EVE Online.
Earthrise: Looks decent and implements a lot of similar features that EVE Online has, but as with SW:ToR, it does not feature space combat, so telling this game is direct competition for EVE Online just because it uses a sci-fi setting is a bit strange.
Jumpgate Evolution: You could say this is going to be it's major competitor, but it is not as deep or complex as EVE Online. While i do like the "freelancer" controls of JGE i wonder how many people will like it that much to pay a monthly subscription for it. It will also feature several instanced zones similar to battlegrounds for WoW, which hardly influence the world.
Black Prophecy: Looks sweet on the graphics part, but i heard it will also be heavily instanced so that is immediately a large downside for me.
Infinity: The Quest for Earth: This game has been in production for ages and it is made by an indie developer, whith ZERO funding. What it promises is frigging sweet and the graphics are quite decent. But if you don't got enough funding or a decent publisher to promote your game, you're as good as dead. Because who cares if your game rules, if you don't got any players.
Let's also not forget that when all these game would've launched, EVE Online will have evolved also. Players will be able to exit their spaceships and walk around on space stations, which immediately weakens JGE and STO, since JGE does not feature out-of-ship gameplay and STO no longer has it exclusively, although they still have ground combat and such.
Also the introduction of planetary exploration and probably other features are also then included or already on the horizon :)
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Neamus
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Posted - 2009.10.21 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Neamus on 21/10/2009 11:51:12 I've been playing EQ2 and EvE on and off since they were released and I'm considering dumping EQ2 for either Star Trek or Star Wars, not yet decided.. But none of them really register as competition for EvE, at least not for me they don't..
The single shard, uninstanced sandbox, ultra harsh universe of EvE makes it unique and very special even amongst the new pretenders. EvE just keeps on getting bigger and better every year, both in terms of content, technology and player base, which is more than I can say for most MMO's.
I really cant see any of the listed games producing the kind of epic stories you read about in EvE.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: bitters much Hopefully these fine "State of the Art" games pull alot of NPC tax/salvage whiners from the crappy game called EVE.
This and
Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo Cool. More SciFi games to get folks hooked on spaceships.
Then when those games fail many of those players will come here.
Looks like a win for CCP.
this.
EVE willl win in the long run. And a little bit of competition for CCP is allways good for us, the players.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:05:00 -
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The new releases may be a double edged sword:
1. May pull some players away from EVE
2. May attract those that play those games and use them as a stepping stone to EVE.
Really no games cater for the hard core anymore. WOW did at end game but no longer (except for repeat content that's a boring rehash) So once players get to like the space theme over Orcs and Goblins they will go to EVE for their hard core play.
With dust and the new changes I think EVE is in a good position.
But if EVE do not sort out their UI they will lose a lot of potential players. Sorry I keep having to repeat this
A game that wants to compete today has to look polished and be user friendly.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:09:00 -
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STO is going to be so easy you will be an admiral inside of a month, pvp is an after thought as is the economy and the death penalty is among the most lax I have ever seen.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:12:00 -
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Eve has one thing that none of those games will have at release - history.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Panthera Lynx
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Neci Maren Ah, hype level. Odd, when showing the top 6 you fail to mention that EVE online is actually tied with #5 and #6. EVE online has a Hype level of 8.26 too.
I think this could be explained by the fact that this is a list of games that are in development. OP wrote "anticipated", mmorpg.com is more clear about it.
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Marguerite Antiki
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:22:00 -
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Jumpgate isa good game, i know, I played it from beta with staff like Scorch, G.bob etc al lthe way till I got tired. Tired of being owned due to where I live. JGE is a twitch based game and requires a good connection, along with a good joystick and short cut keys.
If you have a good setup but a bad connection (like AUS) then the game is not suited for you and thus you cut out some of the player base, so therefore, I dont think I am moving from EVE back to JGE anytime soon.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:27:00 -
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In a sense none these threaten EVE. Most players are here for the Sandbox.
SW Old Republic is a threat in the sense that it threatens all MMOs. Jut like WOW pulls players away from all games.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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McFly
C0LDFIRE
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:37:00 -
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well....two things I'd like to point out...
One: All those people posting in defense of EVE are a major asset to EVE. You can play other games, but for the most part it's rare anyone 'really' leaves eve. You can max out a character with fairly little effort in most MMOs and gameplay runs out, (ex-wife played everything trying to find what I have in Eve without playing Eve.)
Two: Eve slowly becomes an Investment, much more so than any other game I've played. I've been playing eve over 6 years now, I've lost interest a few times, or stepped away for a month or two, but I always begin to miss the people, or see an article about a new feature, and before long I'm back playing again. Assets earned, Time Invested and the Friends you make along the way are what makes eve on equal footing to other mmo's. While it's single shard, player economy and deep player history/storyline are what puts it over the top.
Again just my opinions, but I'm quite happy with eve and hopefully bar any complete F*Ups from CCP I will continue to be.
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kenpachi Viktor on 21/10/2009 12:55:48 The only one of these that has gotten my friends excited is
Infinity: The Quest for Earth
Due to the shiny graphics and the stack of procedural generators and a pile of donated artwork.
I just see this a standard for CCP to aim for, in terms of graphics; but not as a competing game. ===============
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Domoso
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Posted - 2009.10.21 13:19:00 -
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Anticipation for Terminator 4, extremely high. Satisfaction with T4, extremely low. And those that did like it are like crack addicts looking for their next action flick fix meaning the experience was easily forgetable.
Measuring anticipation is nothing more than measuring how well something is marketed. The true test is in a game's longevity. I can't speak for the other mmorpg's but, I never met a star trek game I liked. They usually fail at fulfilling the underlying anticipation created by the franchise. And they usually lack re-playability. And if the direction of the Star Trek franchise of late is any indication, Eve has nothing to worry about in the long term.
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2009.10.21 13:21:00 -
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All these games miss the thing that I found in Eve: A challenge. The 'oh no I died, well let's get back in exactly the same stuff I had when I got killed' thing that all the MMO's have is just so boring. The fact that a player who has been playing longer has better stuff and will always beat a young player just plainly sucks. In Eve you fly a big bad ass ship, have a bazillion SP and similar ISK, some guy in a way smaller ship but with better setup comes along and smacks the hell out of you, now that's a game.
Eve has risks, alot of options, it's complex and has a rich backstory. Most other MMO's lack this. I'm no hardcore gamer, only for Eve I am.
So no, I don't think the games stated are a threat to Eve, they are very much different games.
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Buster Gonads
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Posted - 2009.10.21 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Blasphemour
In Eve you fly a big bad ass ship, have a bazillion SP and similar ISK, some guy in a way smaller ship but with better setup comes along and smacks the hell out of you, now that's a game.
Come now Blasphemour, we've had that game for generations. It's called Paper, Scissor, Stone. How can you judge the above listed games now in any case, when they haven't even been release yet? Speculation!
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armas
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.21 14:17:00 -
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I've reduced my accounts from 5 to 4, with plans to go to 3 eventually in preparation of SWTOR in particular and possibly STO. I think 3 eve accounts is the bare minimum I can get by on.
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2009.10.21 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Buster Gonads
Originally by: Blasphemour
In Eve you fly a big bad ass ship, have a bazillion SP and similar ISK, some guy in a way smaller ship but with better setup comes along and smacks the hell out of you, now that's a game.
Come now Blasphemour, we've had that game for generations. It's called Paper, Scissor, Stone. How can you judge the above listed games now in any case, when they haven't even been release yet? Speculation!
There are stories about the games, what they are going to be etc. Based on that you can make a judgement.
And actually it is called 'rock, paper, scissors'
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Saint Lazarus
Tri-Mining Corp Rising Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.21 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw True competition for EVE requires:
Sandbox Player driven production and market Single shard Consequences for choices and actions.
Sci-fi theme is a bonus, not a neccesity.
This, seriously, utterly, completely
You could base EvE in Narnia for all I care, its the design and concept of the game that makes it unique not the dam setting.
Is any of those other games single shared player driven sandboxes with real risk/reward consequences?........no? didnt think so.... -----------------
My EvE Comic
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Black Marsh X
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Posted - 2009.10.21 15:36:00 -
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Black Prophecy will be the only one out of those I'll be checking out as a nice time burner alongside EVE.
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Seriah Rezin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.21 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Lazarus You could base EvE in Narnia for all I care, its the design and concept of the game that makes it unique not the dam setting.
Actually, the setting for EVE was vital to how it functions IMO.
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.21 15:45:00 -
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For me EVE Online is like playing a persistent game of RISK in space on the web over the period of years - until another MMO does that well, EVE will remain unrivalled for me. _____________________
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Wiley Peterson
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Posted - 2009.10.21 16:21:00 -
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I am a sci-fi fan, so it's good to see some more MMOs in the genre. But, MMO's are a tough business, heavily dependent on positive externalities. You can create an awesome game, but if the servers are thinly populated, people won't want to sign up. People who will play mmo's are a niche market, considering the popularity of casual games and consoles. I think there are some people who play eve because they are sci-fi fans, and would actually prefer a game that is less cutthroat, provided it offers something unique, instead of being another game based on Elite.
It will be interesting to see how BioWare does with an MMO. Most of their games play like a fantasy book, with excessive talking heads and the same epic, save the world arcs, with obligatory "twist" endings. Mass Effect had a very cool concept and story, but many of the gameplay features were sorely lacking. If they could make a decent combat system, I would signup for a Mass Effect MMO in a heartbeat.
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Wiley Peterson
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Posted - 2009.10.21 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: armas I've reduced my accounts from 5 to 4, with plans to go to 3 eventually in preparation of SWTOR in particular and possibly STO. I think 3 eve accounts is the bare minimum I can get by on.
This is what makes Eve one of the top ten most profitable MMOs. Not because it's more popular than others, but because multiple accounts are considered normal among eve addicts.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.10.21 16:37:00 -
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With the right funding and manpower, a game that has more complexity, better graphics, and is more streamlined and user friendly could come out after just a couple years of development. To say such a thing couldn't happen is just naive. What CCP has done is impressive, but it's not the be all end all of what a space based MMO can be.
There hasn't been much competition in the genre for CCP so far, and it's a safe bet some of the new games will use EVE as a starting point and build on what it's already done, so they do have reason to worry a little bit.
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brutoid
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.21 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kenpachi Viktor Edited by: Kenpachi Viktor on 21/10/2009 12:55:48 The only one of these that has gotten my friends excited is
Infinity: The Quest for Earth
Due to the shiny graphics and the stack of procedural generators and a pile of donated artwork.
I just see this a standard for CCP to aim for, in terms of graphics; but not as a competing game.
Werd. Every demo i've seen of this engine looks (as in visually) absolutely fantastic. It even manages to do alot of the things already that CCP has been promising for years. I'm even more impressed knowing how few are working on this, everyone has to start somewhere, right? Ask CCP.
Is it true that CCP have mentioned joystick flight inside asteroids etc as a future feature? I seem to remember hearing it on a fanfest video once? If true then they are looking at implementing things this engine already does. I say buy em up, give them cash and get them working on EVE. This game could use some of that graphical goodness imo.
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