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Logit Probit
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Posted - 2009.10.21 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye MkII Edited by: MatrixSkye MkII on 21/10/2009 01:06:59
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer You'd be naive to think that everyone who runs for the CSM is a selfless bastion of justice who doesn't have their own individual agendas or issues they wanted pushed through on behalf of their corp/alliance. Just look at every individual's campaign thread for God's sake.
Realistically speaking I know you're right. That's just how things are. But still, I'm a bit of a dreamer. So lesson learned, I suppose.
Quote: You'd be foolish to think that the CSM will devolve into some 'Cash for issues' get rich scheme where genuine, valid and pressing issues are ignored.
I don't know what the CSM will evolve or devolve into. What I do know is that the potential is not only there, but it comes into fruition when **** like this happens and it is going unchecked.
It's all good. Hey, more power to her. I think it's a shame though. But as someone said a few posts above (Tippia?), that's politics for ya.
Wow, is that opinion evolution? I think hell just froze over.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.10.21 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
Originally by: Dirty Wizard Can it still be called a democracy when a small handful of players with large sums of money decide which issues get raised and which are shot down?
Substitute players for real people and you are describing just about every western democracy.
Also, y'all know it's a troll right?
/thread
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.21 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
So what you're saying is: as long as it's funny, there's no repercussions?
Nice.
I take it back what I said earlier. You are a ****tard (And yes, I'm a first class *****).
See, it's so easy to troll you. Even I can't help it.
I can't answer why it hasn't been locked, I'm sure it's got a lot of interested parties looking in on it though.
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Stargazer Monk
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.10.21 03:17:00 -
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CSM? oh the free holiday to Iceland thing where you can sit in a boardroom and pretend to be important lol? The CSM is overkill and really serves no purpose outside having its specific discussion forum. Nice competition for the winners though, not that I would vote for any of you *******s
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Ryhss
Caldari Sarum A Fortiori Sanctimony of Bellum
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Posted - 2009.10.21 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Suas It's you. You're the worst poster on all of EVE-O.
Is EVE-O like Steve-O from jackass? This 5 minutes between posts crap needs to stop, NOW.
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.21 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Stargazer Monk CSM? oh the free holiday to Iceland thing where you can sit in a boardroom and pretend to be important lol? The CSM is overkill and really serves no purpose outside having its specific discussion forum. Nice competition for the winners though, not that I would vote for any of you *******s
I hit quote just so I could see what was censored. Was somewhat surprised that it's covered by the wordfilter (yet another thing that is being changed thanks to the CSM btw).
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Lotus Sutra
Caldari Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.10.21 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 21/10/2009 04:08:46
Originally by: Stargazer Monk CSM? oh the free holiday to Iceland thing where you can sit in a boardroom and pretend to be important lol? The CSM is overkill and really serves no purpose outside having its specific discussion forum. Nice competition for the winners though, not that I would vote for any of you *******s
ROTFLMGDFAO!!!!!!!
You gotta be kidding me!
They Censored THAT out????
*edit* Ah ha, the YIDDISH meaning for that word is why. Seriously CCP, grow a set huh? Your game is all about a dark and gritty world, the vast majority of your player base is 18+, with most being in their late 20's early 30's and your going to CENSOR things? Code an option for us to turn off the word filter. Really. I DO NOT NEED YOU TO PROTECT ME FROM WORDS.
ROFLMAO Jezus Criminy talk about being overly anal with the censorship! ------------------------------------------------
I got married Oct. 18th. I'm on my honeymoon. Yes I brought the laptop. Yes I am playing EVE. What? |
Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2009.10.21 05:02:00 -
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Quote: CCP: Is the CSM a joke on us?
Yes.
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Vrikshaka
Yawn Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.21 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Suas It's you. You're the worst poster on all of EVE-O.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2009.10.21 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista And even then, CCP can just say "No" if a stupid reason is raised.
So, what good is the CSM actually? If all they can do is raise an issue which can be denied by CCP anyway ("stupid" being subjective), and the CSM itself can't be trusted to raise issues the majority is interested in - what do we need them for?
Does CCP actually invest money in the CSM? If so, they should instead hire someone to read the forum all day. Probably better spent that way.
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As to troll/non-troll - if it isn't, it's poor taste anyway and another reason to stop/disband the CSM. Eve has enough drama, no need for CCP to fund even more. |
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.10.21 08:26:00 -
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The CSM has always been a waste of money.
We were promised that T20 could never happen again after they grant us an independent council capable of auditting the ways that CCP interacts with the Eve universe.
What we actually got was a back patting exercise for Eve Veterans, paid for of course by the 50% hike in the price of Eve that came at the same time.
As it has actually achieved nothing tangible and resulted in obvious corruption, ironic as that was what it was supposed to prevent, it should be disbanded with immediate effect.
But I'm sure a fanboy will be along shortly to shout and cry until I see things incorrectly.
--- WTB: Unwritten Forum Rules and list of posters you're not allowed to Report. |
Serpents smile
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Posted - 2009.10.21 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove stuffz
You mad?
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Da Death
Minmatar Relentless Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:10:00 -
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I never saw CSM as substantial. I don't think its a joke but its not serious business either.
It's just a 'dampening field' for CCP. á Curse Absolution Prorator Impel T2 Mods/Drones/Ammo Manufacturer
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:14:00 -
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Wait, so are you fine lot trying to tell me that EVE has a CSM? And what is the purpose of this CSM, but more importantly, what have they acomplished? (lul) Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
We were promised that T20 could never happen again after they grant us an independent council capable of auditting the ways that CCP interacts with the Eve universe.
You need an EVE-History revision.
Back just after launch, the first CSM took place. It had nothing to do with T20, it had nothing to do with auditing.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:28:00 -
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The CSM changed from "awesome potential" into "a sad and pathetic joke" within the first term and went downward from then on. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Myra2007
Shafrak Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.21 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Tiny Tove
We were promised that T20 could never happen again after they grant us an independent council capable of auditting the ways that CCP interacts with the Eve universe.
You need an EVE-History revision.
Back just after launch, the first CSM took place. It had nothing to do with T20, it had nothing to do with auditing.
Someone care to dig up that times article again? No matter what you are refering to specifically I think the words of ccp employees count for more. The fact that in practice the csm has nothing to do with "auditing" just goes to show how ccps pr stunt has worked like a charm (thanks to people like you). --
Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Sappho Ajhannis
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.10.21 11:47:00 -
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I reckon that CCP always assumed the CSM would lead to player corruption once the novelty wore off.
Now when the next T20 type scandal breaks, ccp can just say to the whiners- 'We set up the CSM for you, and you turned out to be just as corrupt as us!'
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2009.10.21 11:56:00 -
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Who is CSM
It's quite interesting idea and really a person that posts something like that should be automatically kicked.
It is volunteering dumb nuts its not a real office and you get a free Fanfest out of it. Might as well posses the bit of integrity to actually bring up stuff that is useful to the game.
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MatrixSkye MkII
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.21 11:57:00 -
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Come on now, be fair. LaVista Vista served his terms with respect and honor. It's these new clowns that are ruining it for the rest. I actually thought the first CSM was decent. Didn't follow up with the rest although I did continue to vote.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
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Jed Dye
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia My IQ dropped 10 points reading this thread.
People have an IQ in this game ? I wouldnt have thought so in game most of the time
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Myra2007
SO, yeah absolutely no reference to the t20 scandal or the csm being an auditing tool from ccp themselves. Not in the slightest LOL.
The article doesn't contain the word "audit".
There's a large difference between being able to "inspect" and doing audits. Audits are done on a regular basis in order to uncover things. That's not the role of the CSM.
Both CSM1 and CSM2 were allowed to interact with Internal Affairs and lead GM's and discuss how CCP works and discuss specific "controversies". And it was quite productive if you ask me. But that's not to say that it translated very well into informing the public about what was discussed.
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Buster Gonads
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:49:00 -
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So, how did this idiot get elected in the first place? IRL you get the representatives you deserve.
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.21 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/10/2009 14:41:37
Originally by: Dirty Wizard Can it still be called a democracy when a small handful of people with large sums of money decide which issues get raised and which are shot down?
Good question, although worth noting that we in fact do call it a democracy IRL.
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
Also, y'all know it's a troll right?
I repeat my previous questions:
If this is such a troll why has Mazz not been banned and the thread locked. That's what happened to other trolls right?
You must be new to EVE forums to make such a outrageously uninformed claim. Or you're trolling.
Originally by: Abrazzar The CSM changed from "awesome potential" into "a sad and pathetic joke" within the first term and went downward from then on.
Try "The CSM changed from a "stupid idea" into "stupid joke" within the first term and went downward from then on."
Informed developers which play the game and the assembly hall (which could use improvements, true) itself is a very good way to inform developers of issues with the game (which you have to filter through a fine mesh of creative misunderstanding, common sense, and sometimes outright ignoring, however)*.
Elected representatives are really not needed here, except for PR purposes.
*which the CSM so often fails at - pushing issues which are both only there as their own agenda and do not have popular support.
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MatrixSkye MkII
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.21 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: MatrixSkye MkII on 21/10/2009 14:59:29 Cpt Branko, it is your opinion that the CSM was a stupid idea. Personally, I think it was a genuine attempt from CCP to reach its playerbase and allow us to be part of the decision-making process, even if in a very limited way. But hell, I don't know of many companies out there that even allow its customers to part-take in such a direct role. And I think the first term (and even maybe 2nd term?) was a pretty damn good CSM, everything else considered. But the clowns being elected, in my opinion, are the ones that are making the whole CSM look like a bunch of rtards cashing in at the expense of the entire playerbase.
And if that's the direction the CSM is taking then might as well dissolve them so that their resources can be put to better use elsewhere.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.21 15:15:00 -
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maybe you guys should stop electing gimmick women like her and that dumb dutch chick.
anyways the CSM has been pretty valuable even if it didn't give you an 8th launcher slot on your drake or whatever other dumb pubbie ideas have been brought forth.
Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |
JuicyCakes
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Posted - 2009.10.21 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: JuicyCakes on 21/10/2009 15:25:39 @OP
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1200389 is an attempt at sarcasm with all the "HARD WORKING AMERICAN" stuff (what America politicians say to score ego points with the stereotypical blue-collar worker) .
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.10.23 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Myra2007
SO, yeah absolutely no reference to the t20 scandal or the csm being an auditing tool from ccp themselves. Not in the slightest LOL.
The article doesn't contain the word "audit".
That is the weakest arguement I have ever heard from anybody, anywhere. It's even worse than picking up on spelling errors when you no longer have leg to stand on.
We're no stranger to CSM fanboiz lying to project a positive image, they're just unfortunate that external sources are always on standby to prove you wrong time and time again.
No matter how many fanboiz project the same lie, no matter how many Devs pump drivel into your heads at Fanfest, the truth will never go away.
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Winters Chill
Amarr Sinister Purpose
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Posted - 2009.10.23 10:57:00 -
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10/10 for thread title.
I have no faith in the CSM other than to give forum personalities and large alliance members a free holiday to iceland, where they get to talk about thier hobby and legitimize ideas CCP already had in 2005.
/cynical
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.10.23 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
That is the weakest arguement I have ever heard from anybody, anywhere. It's even worse than picking up on spelling errors when you no longer have leg to stand on.
We're no stranger to CSM fanboiz lying to project a positive image, they're just unfortunate that external sources are always on standby to prove you wrong time and time again.
No matter how many fanboiz project the same lie, no matter how many Devs pump drivel into your heads at Fanfest, the truth will never go away.
That was probably the weakest comeback I have seen in a while.
You ignore my argument and take a statement out of context. Wow! I'm clearly defeated here.
You would have been better off by not even replying.
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