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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.10.21 14:06:00 -
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Due to the failure of the Minmatar Republic to adequately provide for its minorities and citizens, the Eleutherian Guard is offering priority recruitment for those disenfranchised Republic citizens, particularly those of Starkmanir and Nefantar descent. For a thirty day period, the EL-G has opened a center at the Sisters of EVE Bureau in orbit around Rens VII-20, where prospectful recruits can apply, to which they will then be transported to our main compound in Stacmon to recieve their training.
There are various, well-paid positions all across the organization up for grabs, especially in the areas of starship crew, where we offer competitive 'danger pay' rates (soft clone contracts come on a first come, first serve basis). Your work visas will be provided by the EL-G, and any commissions regarding accommodation and healthcare will be provided for, for as long as you remain under our employment. This offer extends to any immediate family you may have.
Think you got what it takes? Then apply at our recruitment center at the Sisters of EVE Bureau, Rens VII-20 for genetic screening and aptitude testing. Non-Matari applicants will be considered, but will not necessarily recieve priority in employment, depending on the current state of meeting ethnic quotas.
Seriphyn Inhonores EL-G Archigos FDU Vice Commander
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Carolyn Siward
Minmatar Amarres Eunt Domus
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Posted - 2009.10.21 14:21:00 -
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More cultural imperialism by the Gallente, saying we cannot do things by ourselves, and must suckle at the Federal teat for eternity.
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Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2009.10.21 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 21/10/2009 14:34:21 Seriphyn Inhonores, you claim [1] to be a organisation dedicated to repulsing the Caldari advance into Gallente space but your recruitment rhetoric here reads like an Amarrians'. Maybe you need to get some Gallente off of their fat bums rather than recruit vulnerable people as your new drones.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.21 14:34:00 -
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"FDU Vice Commander" is not a terribly convincing qualification or symbol of past success is it?
Perhaps you should pay the Matari people greater respect since they at least are still fighting for their freedoms and future.
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Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.10.21 14:53:00 -
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And what, Mr. Inhonores, of the Federation's failure to provide for its minorities and citizens?
I think the Starkmanir and Nefantar are better off to strike out on their own than make themselves beholden to the Federation. As the Intaki can tell them, the gilded chain is quite difficult to remove once it is clasped upon your wrists.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.10.21 14:54:00 -
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I like two things about this topic.
1) EL-G has apparently been unable to convince the Gallente to risk themselves fighting for their own empire, and must now take those within the Republic who have been treated poorly by a dissapointingly close-minded baseline populace.
2) Everyone has decided that because the Gallente are offering an opportunity to the Matari, they are acting to destroy the Matari culture. While there are instances of the Federation attempting to revamp foreign cultures, this is not one of them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Maelcom Grey
Evoluxa
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Posted - 2009.10.21 15:44:00 -
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Perhaps instead of trying to use the misfortune of others to swell your ranks, you could express true concern and offer relief aid to the systems that are housing the influx of our people recently freed.
However, I don't believe we'll see such efforts, for that would require sincerity. After being beaten back and conquered again and again by the Caldari State, you now must transgress into Matari space to attempt to find a smaller hill to pretend to be king of, since you were incapable of defending your own.
Your offer is poison and your presence unwelcome. Were you to truly labor for the betterment of our people it would not be so, but as it stands you appear as just another slaver with a silver tongue, and should be treated accordingly.
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Nullshadow
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2009.10.21 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Nullshadow on 21/10/2009 16:32:27 Sheathe your venom and let the man have his say - and let the individual Matari make the choice for themselves if his offer is worthy or not.
I have been relocating freed slaves to Gallente space for years now. There are more jobs, better housing, a better standard of living, and enough Matari communities that our people can live a better life without abandoning their past. Only twice have I been asked by a family to return them back to the Republic. I am not sure that dying as ship crew is the right answer for many, but at least pilot Inhonores is offering an option for those who our government has failed. The Sanmatar and the Parliament offer less to most of the needy.
Since when has employment been slavery? Are we slaves if we choose to take on a contract? Are we suddenly slaves when we agree to acquire goods for a business partner, or clear out a pirate haven, or promise a friend that we will deliver skillbooks to them out in 0.0? No. So don't overuse the word. This offer of employment may be a bit in poor taste, but assuming that the paperwork is in order it is nothing more than that.
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Viibo Niertzvi
Lonetrek Trusted Sources
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Posted - 2009.10.21 16:46:00 -
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-L.LTS Information Request-
Saisa Mr Inhonores,
I am Viibo Niertzvi, working of Lonetrek Trusted Sources. For records, we would like ask for quantitative figures concerning quote "highly paid positions" you describe in communication broadcast.
Regards,
Viibo Niertzvi, Observer
-End of request-
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.21 17:16:00 -
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"Offended!", say the obscenely rich capsuleers. "Outrageous!", say the those in the Republic with a place provided. "A JOB with benefits for my family and a visa!" say the Republic's forgotten and destitute.
Somehow I have a hunch that this advertisement will resonate with it's intended audience.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.21 17:21:00 -
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I guess scraping the bottom of an empty barrel in the Federation for long enough drives you to look for easier sources of recruitment.
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Leopold Caine
Amarr Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.21 18:10:00 -
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I don't see how is eating from a Federation bin better than eating from a Republican one. Unless, as that Caldari observed, those high paying jobs are just a fake call meant to draw people in, and then hold them enslaved with gallentean bureaucratic procedures.
Oh yes, and amarrians are the evil slavers then. ________________________________________ .
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.21 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Havohej on 21/10/2009 22:49:39
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Think you got what it takes?
The Minmatar who "have what it takes" don't think you do. Further, they're pursuing avenues by which to fight their real enemy: the Amarr slaver.
Originally by: Saxon Hawke I think the Starkmanir and Nefantar are better off to strike out on their own than make themselves beholden to the Federation. As the Intaki can tell them, the gilded chain is quite difficult to remove once it is clasped upon your wrists.
No offense, Pilot Hawke, but I think the Starkmanir and Nefantar know all about the difficulty of removing chains.
"You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer |
Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.10.21 23:27:00 -
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Oh, honestly, please.
I have no love for Seriphyn Inhonores, and I hope he and his crews die repeatedly and violently as long as he supports the Federation, but this hue and call is completely unfounded.
He is offering them a job. Not citizenship, not permanent residence in Federation space, but merely employment. Work visas. A place where they can try to make some ISK and have something to return to Matar with.
If you have a problem with Mr. Inhonores, fine, but criticizing everything he does just makes you look like a fool. And if you have a problem with his assessment of the Republic, fine, but it has the small problem of being somewhat true. Yes, it's expressed with typical Gallente arrogance, but it's not his fault that it exists. And it isn't as though he's trying to change the Republic. He's just offering some of them a job.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion He is offering them a job. Not citizenship, not permanent residence in Federation space, but merely employment. Work visas. A place where they can try to make some ISK and have something to return to Matar with.
If this is intended for a non-capsuleer audience then it probably shouldn't be posted on a discussion board frequented by capsuleers.
if (on the other hand) it is intended for a capsuleer audience and the op wishes to recruit matari fighters to boost the failing fortunes of the Gallente Federation then it is an insult to the dedication the Matari have shown in confronting the regressive tyranny of the Amarr.
In any case its certainly rather ironic to listen to a military-ranked capsuleer who (one assumes) bares some responsibility for the utter collapse of the FDU in Black Rise speaking this way to an audience of Matari fighters who stubbornly stick to their principles and confront imperialist Crusaders every day in day out.
Ill judged, insulting and altogether rather innept.
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Oh, honestly, please.
I have no love for Seriphyn Inhonores, and I hope he and his crews die repeatedly and violently as long as he supports the Federation, but this hue and call is completely unfounded.
He is offering them a job. Not citizenship, not permanent residence in Federation space, but merely employment. Work visas. A place where they can try to make some ISK and have something to return to Matar with.
If you have a problem with Mr. Inhonores, fine, but criticizing everything he does just makes you look like a fool. And if you have a problem with his assessment of the Republic, fine, but it has the small problem of being somewhat true. Yes, it's expressed with typical Gallente arrogance, but it's not his fault that it exists. And it isn't as though he's trying to change the Republic. He's just offering some of them a job.
*The Thukker-Sebiestor starts to reply, but instead just shakes his head and chuckles.
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine If this is intended for a non-capsuleer audience then it probably shouldn't be posted on a discussion board frequented by capsuleers.
if (on the other hand) it is intended for a capsuleer audience and the op wishes to recruit matari fighters to boost the failing fortunes of the Gallente Federation then it is an insult to the dedication the Matari have shown in confronting the regressive tyranny of the Amarr.
In any case its certainly rather ironic to listen to a military-ranked capsuleer who (one assumes) bares some responsibility for the utter collapse of the FDU in Black Rise speaking this way to an audience of Matari fighters who stubbornly stick to their principles and confront imperialist Crusaders every day in day out.
Ill judged, insulting and altogether rather innept.
That this particular board is public and open to non-capsuleers has been known for quite some time, and, in fact, there have been occasions when capsuleer statements have resulted in public outcry, as the sermon of a particular Amarrian did some time back. Of course, I'm sure you are aware of this.
Second, Mr. Inhonores was not involved in the conflict during the conquest of Gallente systems. Therefore, he can't be said to be responsible except through lack of action. Unless you are going to argue that one can never attempt to change a situation once it has happened, your argument is baseless.
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.22 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Second, Mr. Inhonores was not involved in the conflict during the conquest of Gallente systems. Therefore, he can't be said to be responsible except through lack of action.
Given that lack of action is how the Gallente Militia allowed the State Protectorate and friends to occupy their space to begin with, I think this is really splitting hairs.
"You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer |
Darius Antares
Fortune and Glory Unlimited
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Posted - 2009.10.22 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Due to the failure of the Minmatar Republic to adequately provide for its minorities and citizens,...
A diplomatic faux paus I'm sure, but it is usually not wise to lead off with a nasty aside.
Other than that persnickity verbiage, I believe the Eleutherian Guard is engaging in a noble cause. Good luck and Fly safe! |
Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 06:49:00 -
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Not too fond of Mr Inhonores here myself, but I must say he's putting down a nice deal here. His corporation gets the manpower it needs, and people get jobs with all the benefits that come with it, which they couldn't get back at home. A win-win situation.
Those of you who feel Mr Inhonores is wrong here in his offer, tell me, what would you suggest instead to improve the situation?
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Jianni Sotaku
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.10.22 07:04:00 -
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Its interesting to note that Seriphyn has worked with Re Awakened Technologies.
Which is, for those who are unawares, a Matari corporation apart of the Electus Matari alliance.
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Leopold Caine
Amarr Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath Not too fond of Mr Inhonores here myself, but I must say he's putting down a nice deal here. His corporation gets the manpower it needs, and people get jobs with all the benefits that come with it, which they couldn't get back at home. A win-win situation.
Those of you who feel Mr Inhonores is wrong here in his offer, tell me, what would you suggest instead to improve the situation?
I have no doubts in the lack of altruism of mr. Inhonores' decree, Anima. However, I'm not sure if he realized what is he dealing with, what is the minmatar capsuleer bloc like and how will that affect them. If he was just trying to mount a visage of a well-doing gallentean patron, he succeeded, more or less. If he was however trying to score points with the minmatar capsuleer populace, probably in the attempt to buy some support for the Federation's lost cause in Placid, he failed horribly. ________________________________________ .
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Robbi d'Avolon
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.10.22 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Leopold Caine If he was however trying to score points with the minmatar capsuleer populace, probably in the attempt to buy some support for the Federation's lost cause in Placid, he failed horribly.
I don't believe we have received a response from the Minmatar capsuleer populace in this particular thread.
We have responses from those who support our direct enemies, the State and Empire. These have been in the defense of the initiative as a concept, not in support of our corporation or cause.
We have responses from those who fight against the Empire (or any of the "empires") decry it as ill advised at best and at worst say that we are in no position to offer employment to Minmatar wanting to work in the Federation.
How does one grow without offering employment? What successes are required that a new organization or its members be seen as supporting a cause worthwhile?
Yes, the Federation, a long time ally of the Republic, is in a tough position along its border with the State. Is there some reason that Minmatar capsuleers, whose nation the Federation has assisted for decades, should not aid the Federal cause?
I do not expect real answers from those decrying our offer. They want us to fail, they want the Federation to fail.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.10.22 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Viibo Niertzvi -L.LTS Information Request-
Greetings M. Niertzvi, thank you for your request. The pay is variable according to the positions willing recruits apply for. Frontline enlisted crewmembers onboard destroyers and cruisers can expect an annual pay of up to 15,000 local credits, whereas those onboard a highsec battleship have a smaller annual salary. Former members of the Ammatar Fleet or Republic Fleet, whether enlisted or officer, can expect various bonuses cumulative with their salary. Officers can expect salaries per annum of up to 40,000 local credits.
Originally by: Jade Constantine "FDU Vice Commander" is not a terribly convincing qualification or symbol of past success is it?
Greetings Mme. Constantine, thank you for your question. My public records indicate that you do not possess any formal rank with any government-recognized paramilitary organization. Thus, it is best not to decry a fellow pilot's formal qualification when one does not possess a formal qualification herself. It's especially not best to decry a fellow pilot that is receptive to such ideologies as 'freecaptainry'.
Originally by: Saxon Hawke And what, Mr. Inhonores, of the Federation's failure to provide for its minorities and citizens?
Namas Hawke-ji, thank you for your question. Though I am not a political scientist, the strength of the largest member states, notably the Jin-Mei, Intaki and Mannar, indicate that there have been no failings by the Federation at large, but rather these specific groups seizing the flame of empowerment and carving a name for themselves in the Union. However, minor member states such as the Jitai, who have faded from public view, tells me that they did not follow the example of their fellow countrymen, and instead opted for a quiet life as members of the Federation.
Seriphyn Inhonores EL-G Archigos FDU Vice Commander
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Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2009.10.22 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Robbi d'Avolon ...I do not expect real answers from those decrying our offer. They want us to fail, they want the Federation to fail.
I do not want the Federation to fail. Far from it, I've posted elsewhere in support of the Gallente's state.
Your CEO irked me with his stupid digs at the Republic: 'disenfranchised', 'failure' are not words you use with an ally and not expect a curt respose.
Yes, that our enemies support the OP shows that they see a rift that they might try to exploit. You would do well to attempt to heal it, rather than widen it. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity --------------------------------------- |
Mort Eveson
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.10.22 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Saxon Hawke I think the Starkmanir and Nefantar are better off to strike out on their own than make themselves beholden to the Federation. As the Intaki can tell them, the gilded chain is quite difficult to remove once it is clasped upon your wrists.
No offense, Pilot Hawke, but I think the Starkmanir and Nefantar know all about the difficulty of removing chains.
I'm sure Saxon meant no disrespect to the Starkmanir or Nefantar. I interpreted it as a warning to watch out they are not exchanging an obvious chain for a more subtle one, running from physical enslavement to economic slavery. However I do hope the offer is genuine and helps some people. ""
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Leopold Caine
Amarr Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Robbi d'Avolon
I don't believe we have received a response from the Minmatar capsuleer populace in this particular thread.
We have responses from those who support our direct enemies, the State and Empire. These have been in the defense of the initiative as a concept, not in support of our corporation or cause.
We have responses from those who fight against the Empire (or any of the "empires") decry it as ill advised at best and at worst say that we are in no position to offer employment to Minmatar wanting to work in the Federation.
Carolyn Siward, minmatar. Kade Jeekin, minmatar. And a recognized tribal militia officer, if I'm not mistaken? My intel might be a bit outdated, so... Let's see... Then we have the anarchists, oh nevermind them, and Maelcom Gey... minmatar. And Havohej, even though aligned under the SF banner, does so with the interests of his people at heart, I'm sure.
Quote: How does one grow without offering employment? What successes are required that a new organization or its members be seen as supporting a cause worthwhile?
Yes, the Federation, a long time ally of the Republic, is in a tough position along its border with the State. Is there some reason that Minmatar capsuleers, whose nation the Federation has assisted for decades, should not aid the Federal cause?
Because they have their own war to wage. Your failing is your own incompetence's fault. Get up and go fight the Caldari, instead of begging for Republic's support in a very subtle, yet demagogic fashion.
Quote: I do not expect real answers from those decrying our offer. They want us to fail, they want the Federation to fail.
Ah, yes, mr. Avolon. Those who will have something bad to say are doing so because they're evil at heart, trying to prevent you stalwart heroes of the Federation from saving the universe... such a wondeful logic, no? Certainly, I have to agree... your plan was perfect. It was just the reality that made it fail. ________________________________________ .
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Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sophie Starsparrow on 22/10/2009 20:31:55 I am glad this option exists for Minmatar who would prefer to live in Gallente society, or would just like to help the Gallente recover from their failure to hold onto even a single disputed system. We in our corp welcome Gallente that prefer Minmatar values and culture.
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Robbi d'Avolon
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.10.23 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Leopold Caine Because they have their own war to wage. Your failing is your own incompetence's fault. Get up and go fight the Caldari, instead of begging for Republic's support in a very subtle, yet demagogic fashion.
Oh, so we are incompetent because we are outnumbered at least 2 to 1 in terms of capsuleers and thus struggled to hold and now are struggling to retake systems?
We shouldn't invite individual Matari pilots to aid the cause of the Federation because they are needed on their own front. A front where they outnumber the Empire and at least appear to have the direct aid of interested outside entities and appear to actually be losing systems.
You have convinced me. Thank you.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:49:00 -
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I approve, so long as said "jobs" are not manning Gallente warships...
Originally by: Myhrial Arkenath Not too fond of Mr Inhonores here myself, but I must say he's putting down a nice deal here. His corporation gets the manpower it needs, and people get jobs with all the benefits that come with it, which they couldn't get back at home
I would agree but, like I said above, it is essential they are allowed to return home when they wish. If they are killed defending Gallente space that Gallenteans refuse to defend themselves then I am vehemently opposed to this proposition.
The only circumstance I would be okay with regarding Minmatar employed on Gallente craft is if they personally seek out that position. In other words, I hate recruiters...especially if you're asking others to fight your war.
But as Mister Inhonores has described front-line service, this would make me oppose this "offer".
What you are asking for are Minmatar meat-shields. Your own people cannot defend your Federation? The Minmatar have assisted the Gallente many times before, what makes you think we are not in need of troops and crew for our own home-land defense? The Republic Fleet is always recruiting, and so are the numerous Minmatar militia and loyalist corporations...there are plenty of fighting opportunities already for those wishing to dip their hands in blood...your offer to pull our people into your war is a detriment to our own safety.
The Federation and Republic are supposed to be allies, yes? Why not just ask for more assistance from the Minmatar capsuleers instead of robbing us of our youth? Of course some indigent Minmatar refugees and immigrants are sick of the way things are in the Republic, but taking advantage of that fact so that some Gallentean teenager can party in a club and not worry about his home being bombarded by lasers...
*Eran pauses and takes a breath as his face reddens.*
Well, you get my point. I do agree with Mort...
Originally by: Mort Eveson ...[a] warning to watch out they are not exchanging an obvious chain for a more subtle one, running from physical enslavement to economic slavery. However I do hope the offer is genuine and helps some people.
Oh...and Mr. d'Avolon, I think your point, albeit rude, is a good example as to why your "offer" is an insult to our people. We have enough on our hands as is. Lantorn and Sisiede are both under Amarr reign and we can't afford to lose another system. You, on the other hand, have nothing to lose.
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