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Arvald
Caldari Imperial Manufactorum Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.10.21 22:52:00 -
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So last july i was laied off from my job (dell computer tech) and i havent been able to find another one sence then, so i was thinking about going back to school and studying computer science. id end up paying for it with student loans most likely (as im onlyy 19 so i still live with my parents, and they make too much for me to get a grant).
my only problem is ive been hearing a lot about how when people get out of school, they end up working at a diner or some crap because of the lack of available jobs. im not sure if i should just go back to school now, or wait till i can find some crappy part time job, so that i know ill be able to pay off my loans. what does oope think?
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Another Liberthas
Caldari Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.10.21 23:00:00 -
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You're British, right? You only pay back your student loans if you get a job earning ú15k+ a year, and the amount you're paying back is a percentage of what you earn.
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Eran Laude
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.10.21 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Eran Laude on 21/10/2009 23:06:49 Are you in the UK?
If so, you don't pay off government student loans until after you're earning ú15K or more per year. As for the graduate jobs market . . . it's only **** for those who didn't do anything at university, or for those who did a non-subject like bovine meta-psychology. Come out with a good grade in a respected subject like CS and you will be more employable, regardless of what others may say.
To get the most out of university, though, you have to really want to go there and apply yourself to the work. It needs a lot of effort outside of the given contact hours for you to get the most out of a degree.
Just as an aside, lots of metropolitan universities are now offering computer games design or programming, which might be something else to consider from a CS point of view. These courses are considerably more employable than normal computer science or programming, so if you're worried about coming out with a dud degree and a mass of debt, that might be an option for you to give you peace of mind. -----
Originally by: "CCP Whisper" Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.21 23:32:00 -
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Do it.
Seriously, if you don't you're going to look back at yourself in the future and think "****.."
It will only benefit you.
Originally by: P'uck
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.21 23:42:00 -
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Do you really think you have what it takes to make it there? You can't even be assed to type out university ffs.
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Arvald
Caldari Imperial Manufactorum Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:16:00 -
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im from the us, and as for the last poster, suck it
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Bodrul
Caldari Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:25:00 -
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i did computer science isnt all that ( changed course now) i would suggets you get apprenticeship, you learn skills on the job and more likely to get a Job since people like to hire those that have experinec
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Arvald
Caldari Imperial Manufactorum Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bodrul i did computer science isnt all that ( changed course now) i would suggets you get apprenticeship, you learn skills on the job and more likely to get a Job since people like to hire those that have experinec
hmm i see, ill have to look into it. also what exactly does the computer science course entail?
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Bodrul
Caldari Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Bodrul i did computer science isnt all that ( changed course now) i would suggets you get apprenticeship, you learn skills on the job and more likely to get a Job since people like to hire those that have experinec
hmm i see, ill have to look into it. also what exactly does the computer science course entail?
dont know i am Brit so i can tell you what ours is
Programming (Java and so on) Computer systems are main areas
A.I Media Networking and so on are also in the course
but it should be simmiler in the US (i think)
A.I
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Arvald
Caldari Imperial Manufactorum Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bodrul
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Bodrul i did computer science isnt all that ( changed course now) i would suggets you get apprenticeship, you learn skills on the job and more likely to get a Job since people like to hire those that have experinec
hmm i see, ill have to look into it. also what exactly does the computer science course entail?
dont know i am Brit so i can tell you what ours is
Programming (Java and so on) Computer systems are main areas
A.I Media Networking and so on are also in the course
but it should be simmiler in the US (i think)
A.I
hmm, what would you suggest that someone who would like to build and fix computers for a living?
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2009.10.22 01:32:00 -
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If you are more of a technical kind of guy then you could also choose to go for qualifications instead of a degree. Some qualifications are as good as some degrees. Heck, some of them are actually very valuable. Look into Cisco CCNA, CCNP and so on. You could also look at MS certificates. MCP is the most basic you can get from them. From there you could go all the way to architect. Which is kind of a bold aim but the interim qualifications are also very nice. There are others as well, look them up if you are interested. You could do some CompTIA at first, e.g. A+ and stuff. I would look into Cisco offerings first if you ask me (which you never did ).
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Arvald
Caldari Imperial Manufactorum Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.10.22 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen If you are more of a technical kind of guy then you could also choose to go for qualifications instead of a degree. Some qualifications are as good as some degrees. Heck, some of them are actually very valuable. Look into Cisco CCNA, CCNP and so on. You could also look at MS certificates. MCP is the most basic you can get from them. From there you could go all the way to architect. Which is kind of a bold aim but the interim qualifications are also very nice. There are others as well, look them up if you are interested. You could do some CompTIA at first, e.g. A+ and stuff. I would look into Cisco offerings first if you ask me (which you never did ).
thanks for the info mate i do have my A+ microsoft and dell cirts, i want to start working on my network cirts next, so you think that for more of a technical person i should jworry about getting my certifications instead of a degree?
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2009.10.22 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Sazkyen on 22/10/2009 02:03:36
Originally by: Arvald
thanks for the info mate i do have my A+ microsoft and dell cirts, i want to start working on my network cirts next, so you think that for more of a technical person i should jworry about getting my certifications instead of a degree?
Well, it really depends on your plans. What is your long term aim? Where do you want to be in ten years? Five? Next year?
- management - engineering (design/project management etc.) - development - helpdesk/support - servicing etc.
You would also need to decide which is more interesting for you: hardware of software? Do you want to design stuff, build stuff, install them or service them?
etc.
If you want to be an engineer then you will probably have to read a few books and pass some exams on the way. And there's no value in a degree that has a laughable GPA attached to it. It also leads to a so called "life long learning".
You want to code? A degree could come handy, sure. But first and foremost you need to be able to work with others. Ofc you also have to learn how to code. Obviously.
Helpdesk and such: constant firefighting, no real satisfaction ever. You basically never achieve anything.You solve a neverending line of problems.
servicing: could be fun for a few years, sure. But what are you going to do after 5-10 years?
etc. etc. etc. I won't even try to list all the possibilities.
Supplementary (Star Trek FTW): ofc any of these choices isn't necessarily terminal. You could very well switch over the years. It's just that it's probably easier to build a career if you are conscious at the beginning. If you are not sure, then do what you want to do.
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Ali Ronbo
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Posted - 2009.10.22 02:13:00 -
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I too use to be a Dell tech for Ncr Corp in Canada here, right now Cpu techs are a dime a dozen in pay, problem is do you want to stay with the tech root as a job.
There are many people with Cpu science,Programing degrees almost a glut in the market with the trade and wages are only going down.
Make sure you research what you want how long is school what will the market be like after you finish school,Interview jobs actually make appointments and interview bosses they will tell you the market. I now have my Trucking lic and do a little cpu work on the side but more moola with new career as 50% of truck drivers will retire in the next 5 years.
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2009.10.22 02:22:00 -
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Some other ways.
I got very lucky and got accepted into my current job seven years ago. It's an IT company and everyone around me holds a degree, most of them have advanced degrees. I have none so far (started to work on one two years ago). I still don't understand how did I manage to slip in. The salary is awesome. Well, I never questioned the wisdom of the guy who hired me, that's for sure. Strange. I can see how some other guys at the company are much more knowledgeable than me. Yeah, well, I usually work on a problem until it gets solved, so it's surely a plus on my side, then again most of these guys are way smarter than me. These guys have a common shortcoming though. None of them speak languages. I usually help them out with that so that could have something to do with the mystery. So the punch line is: pick up a language or two . It can help a lot. ItÆs something that can be used in virtually any profession.
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Arvald
Caldari Imperial Manufactorum Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.10.22 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen
Some other ways.
I got very lucky and got accepted into my current job seven years ago. It's an IT company and everyone around me holds a degree, most of them have advanced degrees. I have none so far (started to work on one two years ago). I still don't understand how did I manage to slip in. The salary is awesome. Well, I never questioned the wisdom of the guy who hired me, that's for sure. Strange. I can see how some other guys at the company are much more knowledgeable than me. Yeah, well, I usually work on a problem until it gets solved, so it's surely a plus on my side, then again most of these guys are way smarter than me. These guys have a common shortcoming though. None of them speak languages. I usually help them out with that so that could have something to do with the mystery. So the punch line is: pick up a language or two . It can help a lot. ItÆs something that can be used in virtually any profession.
hmm it would probably be best for me to learn spanish then, as we have alot of that in this are, ill give rosetta stone a try, TO ISOHUNT
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2009.10.22 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald hmm, what would you suggest that someone who would like to build and fix computers for a living?
Electronic Engineering maybe? Honestly I don't think there is a course for opening up computers and playing lego for an hour. Its something easy enough I was doing it at the age of 13.
If you just want to move up the ladder of your current field, maybe do some management courses. If Dell gave you a good review despite being laid off, finding another job shouldn't be too hard once the market picks up. Just keep looking.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.22 10:19:00 -
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You could apply to Del... oh wait
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2009.10.22 10:29:00 -
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Do it.
I am curretly getting my math up so i can get into a computer line in game design next fall.
If there is any market thats skyrocketing and will keep growing its games. ________________________________________________ Tau - Yeah we suck in close combat. To bad you will never get there. For the greater good!!
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MightyRhinox
Minmatar Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.22 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
my only problem is ive been hearing a lot about how when people get out of school, they end up working at a diner or some crap because of the lack of available jobs.
Right now, yes, there's a shortage of jobs for graduates everywhere. But in four years time with a sciences degree, you should be fine.
Most of the time (under more normal economic circumstances), people who complain about being unable to find a job after graduating studied for degrees in low-demand industries. Things like literature or social anthropology.
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Gibbeous Moon
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Posted - 2009.10.22 10:49:00 -
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I graduated in the 80s with Computer Science and the first thing that I noted in Industry, as did a number of fellow graduates, was how irrelevant the course was to the Real World.
This didn't stop me getting on with working in the Real World and, to be honest, if I had stayed in the UK then it wouldn't have made a jot of a difference if I had a degree or not. Now, when I was working in Europe, particularly for Norwegian companies, I found that they wouldn't look at you if you didn't have a degree.
My experience, again which I have shared with others, is that the degree is only useful for landing that first job. After that, it's only been what I have gathered with experience.
That's not to say that there's another side to university; the social life which I wouldn't have missed for all of the world.
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MightyRhinox
Minmatar Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.22 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
thanks for the info mate i do have my A+ microsoft and dell cirts, i want to start working on my network cirts next, so you think that for more of a technical person i should jworry about getting my certifications instead of a degree?
Yes, academia is not about providing people with skills to use in the real world, that's generally just a beneficial side effect. The overall aim of academia is to produce Ph.D.s and further enhance the theory of a subject.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.10.22 10:54:00 -
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I'd go for it anyways. Even if you just end up working at a diner. I would however you use it to broaden you horizons (**** yeah! cliche ftw) rather then on focusing on something you already know (unless you really like it). You might also of course consider the trades which can be far more employable. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2009.10.22 11:02:00 -
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Just to let you know, student loans are also based on household income.
Originally by: Jin Nib I'd go for it anyways. Even if you just end up working at a diner. I would however you use it to broaden you horizons (**** yeah! cliche ftw) rather then on focusing on something you already know (unless you really like it). You might also of course consider the trades which can be far more employable.
Most what is said above is pretty good, but Jim echos my same thoughts. I will leave it at that since I really do not know the field well enough to sepak about it.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Black Marsh X
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Posted - 2009.10.22 11:43:00 -
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Do it!
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