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Izzybella	Posted - 2009.10.23 12:41:00 - [61] You sir, are fail. Here is a killmail of three of us taking down a a drake in what i assume is similar circumstances: a young, ratting drake pilot. Drake Note how many there were of us. In case you have trouble reading thats three. An interceptor, an incursus, and a stabber. If you and your corp failed to kill a drake with 10 tech 2 cruisers you sir are truly fail. Tell me where you live so i can come and kill you all.
EFT Worrier	Posted - 2009.10.23 13:08:00 - [62] A drake once managed to tank my large neutron fit Domi with 5x Garde IIs until I had destroyed my full rack of neutrons from overheating and my sentries ran out of ammo. All without firing a return salvo. He then proceeded to faceroll me into the ground with HAMs. Luckily I didn't die that time due to a well-timed capital hotdrop which finally were able to break his tank, but i very nearly lost that ship, all BECAUSE OF DRAKE.
Wideen Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.10.23 13:10:00 - [63] Originally by: EFT Worrier BECAUSE OF DRAKE. let's see CONCORD invalidate this one.
Morel Nova Galactic Shipyards Inc Huzzah Federation	Posted - 2009.10.23 13:23:00 - [64] Edited by: Morel Nova on 23/10/2009 13:24:04 Originally by: Darthewok Edited by: Darthewok on 23/10/2009 07:28:56 Originally by: Merin Ryskin DPS required to break Drake tank Indeed. Drakes are just scary. There was this time this 11 man Scorpion fleet I was in, was called to hunt down a rampaging Drake that had killed 5 miners and 4 ratters and a small POS. After 20 minutes' sustained fire, we had actually gotten the Drake into armor! Unfortunately, at this time when sweet victory was so close within our grasp, 1 of the Scorpions disconnected and the Drake totally destroyed the helpless remaining 10 Scorpions. The 10 Scorpions simply had insufficient DPS to break that fantastic Drake tank. Now I have learnt my lesson - next time bring 12 battleships in case 1 disconnects. 15-16 battleships with a carrier if you want to be safe. Nerf Drake - the NEW FALCON not only is the drake COMPLETELY UNSTOPPABLE tank and dps wise, but it is also a FEARSOME EWAR BATTLE MACHINE Reward small gang/solo pvp!
Ceti Lomax Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2009.10.23 14:31:00 - [65] Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr Originally by: small chimp Its the only sub capital ship that needs at least 10 battleships to kill and it promotes newbienes and smackardism. It really needs nerfing. I kill a Drake with my Rifter. Nerf the Rifter!!
Darthewok Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.23 16:41:00 - [66] In addition, CCP severely needs to rebalance the game by making a new class of Drake-killing Capitals. Maybe a mothership class called Mother of all Drakes or something. However, the real problem is the ability of Drake to speed tank. Those vagadrakes are well-nigh uncatchable and unbeatable.
caboaddict	Posted - 2009.10.23 17:01:00 - [67] Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:03:22 Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:02:15 Originally by: EFT Worrier A drake once managed to tank my large neutron fit Domi with 5x Garde IIs until I had destroyed my full rack of neutrons from overheating and my sentries ran out of ammo. All without firing a return salvo. He then proceeded to faceroll me into the ground with HAMs. Luckily I didn't die that time due to a well-timed capital hotdrop which finally were able to break his tank, but i very nearly lost that ship, all BECAUSE OF DRAKE. \ you sir are a moron. my guess is you have large hybrid 1 with no support skills and the fact that you think sentries have ammo just makes me want to find you and smack you up side the head and ask "are you serious"?!?! Please just transfer all you stuff (including your character) to me and go drink bleach or some stupid emo teenage way of saying....oh poor me, I can't win....nerf..nerf...nerf. I am going to start thinking this is the nerf factory and ordering some footballs, dart guns and missile launchers (especially that USB controlled one). GO skill up and get a decent fit on your domi. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to tank a Drake or two in a domi.
King Dave D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.23 17:19:00 - [68] BerCos Of Drake.
Pater Peccavi Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.10.23 18:16:00 - [69] Originally by: caboaddict Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:03:22 Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:02:15 Originally by: EFT Worrier A drake once managed to tank my large neutron fit Domi with 5x Garde IIs until I had destroyed my full rack of neutrons from overheating and my sentries ran out of ammo. All without firing a return salvo. He then proceeded to faceroll me into the ground with HAMs. Luckily I didn't die that time due to a well-timed capital hotdrop which finally were able to break his tank, but i very nearly lost that ship, all BECAUSE OF DRAKE. \ you sir are a moron. my guess is you have large hybrid 1 with no support skills and the fact that you think sentries have ammo just makes me want to find you and smack you up side the head and ask "are you serious"?!?! Please just transfer all you stuff (including your character) to me and go drink bleach or some stupid emo teenage way of saying....oh poor me, I can't win....nerf..nerf...nerf. I am going to start thinking this is the nerf factory and ordering some footballs, dart guns and missile launchers (especially that USB controlled one). GO skill up and get a decent fit on your domi. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to tank a Drake or two in a domi. y s srs? _________
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.23 18:43:00 - [70] compilation of lol spr drake fits http://idleempire.griefwatch.net/?p=losses&type=Drake I say don't fly passive spr drakes, but does anyone listen to me
xxxak Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.10.23 18:48:00 - [71] Originally by: Bumblefck BUT WHAT IF THE DRAKE IS DOING 600 EM DPS PER SECOND WHILST ON SECRET COMBAT PATROLS Being quoted on an internet spaceship forum like that gave me a little tingle in my happy bone.
Borasatar	Posted - 2009.10.23 18:49:00 - [72] Edited by: Borasatar on 23/10/2009 18:49:29 Well... I guess that means me in a Thorax and corpmate in a Drake > your 10 battleships since we killed one in just that the other night. You should pay me tribute.
saango0	Posted - 2009.10.23 20:46:00 - [73] Edited by: saango0 on 23/10/2009 20:47:47 tbh only practical solution to taking out a drake is hauler revelation.. its cuz u will be there 4 a long time so u need a lot of cargo for cap boosters u kno? [Revelation, New Setup 1] Small Armor Repairer I 'Harmony' Small Armor Repairer I Expanded Cargohold II 'Greaves' Medium Armor Repairer I Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II 'Aura' Warp Core Stabilizer I 'Natura' Warp Core Stabilizer I Large Automated Structural Restoration 'Crucible' Small Capacitor Battery I Medium Shield Extender I 'Saddle' Small Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200 6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I, Arch Angel EMP XL 6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I, Arch Angel EMP XL 6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I, Arch Angel EMP XL Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor Large Cargohold Optimization II Large Cargohold Optimization II Large Cargohold Optimization I Hornet I x5 NVM i found a way so i dont need any noob cap boosters, use projectiles-- warp core stabs becuz drakes are wayy too strong, liek i said only rev or stun lock specced rogue can beat a drake. 333dps *****, so you will need about 12 to gank a drake, hornets cuz he would expect hevy drones. still cap booster case he is neut fit drake i need to run my hull reppers... +1 nerf drake if u disagree you are noob lololol
AvaAlt	Posted - 2009.10.23 21:21:00 - [74] Just last night a scary drake shooted at me. I was in my rifter, which is clearly OP, as i managed to escape! nerf rifter! NOTHING should survive drake.
Seven Six	Posted - 2009.10.23 22:05:00 - [75] Edited by: Seven Six on 23/10/2009 22:06:12 Edited by: Seven Six on 23/10/2009 22:05:08 Ok first off - people making comments about strategic cruisers and commands ships stfu we are talking about a tech one battleCRUISER here. Second - yes he got alot of stupid posts trying to defend it so ignore alot of his "need 10 BS - u need 1 good bs maybe 2 tops... Now what I really want to say: I think that for a BC it is over powered - when then tier 2 BC's were introduced there were 2 that were overpowered. One had a good tank and had the DPS of a Battleships (the myrm) and it got nerfed so that it was in NO way as good as a battleship. The second overpowered tier 2 BC was(and is) the drake. It tanks BETTER than most battleships. Sure at this point its dps isnt too impressive, but its not terrible either. And lets not forget that this fit needs NO cap?!? So the truth of it is that it IS definately overpowered, in terms of its tank. Now will this lead to a nerf? probably not as caldari need something to carebear mission in. I think its tanking capabilities should be dropped slightly to bring it mroe in line with the ship type it is, but reality is that this is how the ship is now so learn to deal with it.
Emperor D'Hoffryn EXTERMINATUS. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.23 22:12:00 - [76] Posting to simply bump this, because THIS THREAD DELIVERS!! Originally by: CCP Whisper No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
Belmorn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.23 22:36:00 - [77] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn THIS THREAD DELIVERS!! Seconded
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.23 22:41:00 - [78] I'm sure the guy who jumped on my lone Orca earlier today in Low-sec was wishing his Drake was a little more overpowered Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
EFT Worrier	Posted - 2009.10.23 22:42:00 - [79] Originally by: caboaddict Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:03:22 Edited by: caboaddict on 23/10/2009 17:02:15 Originally by: EFT Worrier A drake once managed to tank my large neutron fit Domi with 5x Garde IIs until I had destroyed my full rack of neutrons from overheating and my sentries ran out of ammo. All without firing a return salvo. He then proceeded to faceroll me into the ground with HAMs. Luckily I didn't die that time due to a well-timed capital hotdrop which finally were able to break his tank, but i very nearly lost that ship, all BECAUSE OF DRAKE. \ you sir are a moron. my guess is you have large hybrid 1 with no support skills and the fact that you think sentries have ammo just makes me want to find you and smack you up side the head and ask "are you serious"?!?! Please just transfer all you stuff (including your character) to me and go drink bleach or some stupid emo teenage way of saying....oh poor me, I can't win....nerf..nerf...nerf. I am going to start thinking this is the nerf factory and ordering some footballs, dart guns and missile launchers (especially that USB controlled one). GO skill up and get a decent fit on your domi. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to tank a Drake or two in a domi. I didn't think my sentries could run out of ammo either but it turns out they can, after 20 mins of sustained fire at a Drake. Also they were T2 blasters fitted with multi-frequency ammo. Like I said, without dropping our full fleet of dreads (with carriers fitted as ultra heavy tacklers) on him I would have been a goner. BECAUSE OF DRAKE.
Joe SMASH	Posted - 2009.10.23 23:22:00 - [80] One time on the test server, my Drake was targeted by two titans with the single target dd. My Drake survived, then I killed the Titans... All while I was afk "servicing" my lingerie model girlfriend and her slightly overweight, but still hot, friend. BECAUSE OF DRAKE! ----------------------------------- Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
Cambarus Clearly Compensating	Posted - 2009.10.23 23:32:00 - [81] Can it be lol drake kill time now? For those too lazy to click the link it's a km of a drake shot down by 2 AFs and a ceptor ^_^
A Ingus	Posted - 2009.10.24 00:40:00 - [82] Originally by: Seven Six Edited by: Seven Six on 23/10/2009 22:06:12 Edited by: Seven Six on 23/10/2009 22:05:08 Ok first off - people making comments about strategic cruisers and commands ships stfu we are talking about a tech one battleCRUISER here. Second - yes he got alot of stupid posts trying to defend it so ignore alot of his "need 10 BS - u need 1 good bs maybe 2 tops... Now what I really want to say: I think that for a BC it is over powered - when then tier 2 BC's were introduced there were 2 that were overpowered. One had a good tank and had the DPS of a Battleships (the myrm) and it got nerfed so that it was in NO way as good as a battleship. The second overpowered tier 2 BC was(and is) the drake. It tanks BETTER than most battleships. Sure at this point its dps isnt too impressive, but its not terrible either. And lets not forget that this fit needs NO cap?!? So the truth of it is that it IS definately overpowered, in terms of its tank. Now will this lead to a nerf? probably not as caldari need something to carebear mission in. I think its tanking capabilities should be dropped slightly to bring it mroe in line with the ship type it is, but reality is that this is how the ship is now so learn to deal with it. Your post is fairly accurate, while it has been lost in all the lulz at the op for failing to kill a lolDrake with 10 HACs. The Myrm was nerfed, and harshly, because everyone cried about it fielding BS damage in 5 heavy/sentry drones (and not being a HAC like the Ishtar). Meanwhile the extreme Drake tanking option has been ignored. The problem is not so much the Drake, as it is that all BCs have an out of balance shield regen stat. If you look at BSs their shield regen is 2500 sec. The average BS base shield hp are between 5469-8500. Cruisers have a regen of 1250 sec. The average cruiser base shield is somewhere in the range of 860-1875 hp. Now compare the above to BC base shield hp which ranges 3419-5469. This is a almost a BS sized shield, and in the case of the Drake it equals the shield of a BS (yes a BS meant to armor tank but a BS nonetheless), because it has the same shield hp as an Armageddon. However, all BCs also have an almost cruiser sized shield regen stat - 1400 sec. This is what leads to the "unkillable" shield regen lol Drake. If one was to see BCs as an intermediary between BSs and Cruisers, and ignore the fact that the shields are already skewed toward the the BS size in the range between, one would expect an 1875 sec regen. So, you see it is not really the Drake per se that is out of balance. The fact that it receives the resist bonus and has the highest base shield hp only highlights the BC shield regen imbalance. I myself use a lol regen Drake for some Angel missions, particularly against angel frig swarms in buzzkill. I would not want to see the passive shield option disappear. However, imo the shield regen time should be increased to some degree (I don't know how much exactly, maybe somewhere in the range of 1500-1650) so that we don't have this tanking imbalance in ratters and missionining, and Drake pilots are forced to pvp with buffer and HAM(dps) setups just as everyone else is in a BC (also which are quite powerful in relation to other pvp BCs, but that's another story). Also, this would eliminate the stupidity of finding better shield tanks on BCs, particularly the Myrm, that have ship bonuses and slot layouts suggesting they were meant to armor tank. Now, you and I can await the flames of all those mad that we have spoken outloud about the emperor having no clothes.
Abotosa	Posted - 2009.10.24 00:50:00 - [83] Yeah
Drakkan Koran	Posted - 2009.10.24 01:17:00 - [84] Hurricane Harbinger Yeah I know, the thread is a joke, but just in case people are really thinking the drake is "zomg overpowered!" That huge passive regen is good one on one, in fact as a solo boat HAM drake is very attractive. I think most people know that passive regen is meaningless in gang PvP where you will get 2500+ DPS coming off 5 BCs on the other side.
xxxak Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.10.24 01:55:00 - [85] Originally by: A Ingus Originally by: Seven Six Edited by: Seven Six on 23/10/2009 22:06:12 Edited by: Seven Six on 23/10/2009 22:05:08 Ok first off - people making comments about strategic cruisers and commands ships stfu we are talking about a tech one battleCRUISER here. Second - yes he got alot of stupid posts trying to defend it so ignore alot of his "need 10 BS - u need 1 good bs maybe 2 tops... Now what I really want to say: I think that for a BC it is over powered - when then tier 2 BC's were introduced there were 2 that were overpowered. One had a good tank and had the DPS of a Battleships (the myrm) and it got nerfed so that it was in NO way as good as a battleship. The second overpowered tier 2 BC was(and is) the drake. It tanks BETTER than most battleships. Sure at this point its dps isnt too impressive, but its not terrible either. And lets not forget that this fit needs NO cap?!? So the truth of it is that it IS definately overpowered, in terms of its tank. Now will this lead to a nerf? probably not as caldari need something to carebear mission in. I think its tanking capabilities should be dropped slightly to bring it mroe in line with the ship type it is, but reality is that this is how the ship is now so learn to deal with it. Your post is fairly accurate, while it has been lost in all the lulz at the op for failing to kill a lolDrake with 10 HACs. The Myrm was nerfed, and harshly, because everyone cried about it fielding BS damage in 5 heavy/sentry drones (and not being a HAC like the Ishtar). Meanwhile the extreme Drake tanking option has been ignored. The problem is not so much the Drake, as it is that all BCs have an out of balance shield regen stat. If you look at BSs their shield regen is 2500 sec. The average BS base shield hp are between 5469-8500. Cruisers have a regen of 1250 sec. The average cruiser base shield is somewhere in the range of 860-1875 hp. Now compare the above to BC base shield hp which ranges 3419-5469. This is a almost a BS sized shield, and in the case of the Drake it equals the shield of a BS (yes a BS meant to armor tank but a BS nonetheless), because it has the same shield hp as an Armageddon. However, all BCs also have an almost cruiser sized shield regen stat - 1400 sec. This is what leads to the "unkillable" shield regen lol Drake. If one was to see BCs as an intermediary between BSs and Cruisers, and ignore the fact that the shields are already skewed toward the the BS size in the range between, one would expect an 1875 sec regen. So, you see it is not really the Drake per se that is out of balance. The fact that it receives the resist bonus and has the highest base shield hp only highlights the BC shield regen imbalance. I myself use a lol regen Drake for some Angel missions, particularly against angel frig swarms in buzzkill. I would not want to see the passive shield option disappear. However, imo the shield regen time should be increased to some degree (I don't know how much exactly, maybe somewhere in the range of 1500-1650) so that we don't have this tanking imbalance in ratters and missionining, and Drake pilots are forced to pvp with buffer and HAM(dps) setups just as everyone else is in a BC (also which are quite powerful in relation to other pvp BCs, but that's another story). Also, this would eliminate the stupidity of finding better shield tanks on BCs, particularly the Myrm, that have ship bonuses and slot layouts suggesting they were meant to armor tank. Now, you and I can await the flames of all those mad that we have spoken outloud about the emperor having no clothes. First of all, they already looked at the Drake recharge rate and nerfed it about two years ago. Second, a Drake without SPRs has MINIMAL passive recharge. A Drake WITH SPRs has PATHETIC DPS. Next whine please?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.24 02:41:00 - [86] Originally by: xxxak First of all, they already looked at the Drake recharge rate and nerfed it about two years ago. Second, a Drake without SPRs has MINIMAL passive recharge. A Drake WITH SPRs has PATHETIC DPS. Next whine please? right extenders and sprs go way better on carriers
Yesyu	Posted - 2009.10.24 02:53:00 - [87] Edited by: Yesyu on 24/10/2009 02:55:55 Edited by: Yesyu on 24/10/2009 02:54:13 Originally by: xxxak First of all, they already looked at the Drake recharge rate and nerfed it about two years ago. Second, a Drake without SPRs has MINIMAL passive recharge. A Drake WITH SPRs has PATHETIC DPS. Next whine please? Yes, it used to be a cruisers regen. And I remember some talk of 1500 being on the test server, or proposed. Oh the whines for that I suppose. Oh and then came purger rigs. Point is the Drake would still be fine for passive regen tanking at 1500, because of the shield resists and size of the shield. It just wouldn't be sorta ridiculous, where it outtanks battleships. This would be an accross the board change for BCs. However, I'm not whining. I doubt CCP is even reading this. I would be happy if they were, but even then Caldari is the most represented race of toons in the game. You have a very vocal, and dare I say, "whiney" lobby. So I doubt you have much to worry about. The Drake will probably keep its out of balance tank. Relax. See, I am Caldari too.
Dodgy Past Amarr Lollipops for Rancors	Posted - 2009.10.24 03:09:00 - [88] Edited by: Dodgy Past on 24/10/2009 03:10:56 Originally by: Marko Riva Edited by: Marko Riva on 23/10/2009 11:09:07 Laugh all you want but a properly fit and flown Drake is more than a handful compared to other BC's. The fact that on average Caldari ships are more flown by PVE players doesn't make for a good statement on the effectiveness of the ship when used correctly. Drake is a 70k+ EHP, 600dps+ monstrosity with MWD scram and web. Should the drake be changed? If you compare it to other BC's then yes probably, it's just too good although it only needs a slight change. After fitting it has a larger sig than most battleships and aligns slower than molasses. An AB AF and a BS will mince many many drakes.
EFT Worrier	Posted - 2009.10.24 04:52:00 - [89] Originally by: Dodgy Past After fitting it has a larger sig than most battleships and aligns slower than molasses. An AB AF and a BS will mince many many drakes. So you're saying that you need 2 ships worth 3+ times the material cost of a Drake to kill a Drake? Sounds balanced... not.
EFT Warrior	Posted - 2009.10.24 05:04:00 - [90] Originally by: EFT Worrier Originally by: Dodgy Past After fitting it has a larger sig than most battleships and aligns slower than molasses. An AB AF and a BS will mince many many drakes. So you're saying that you need 2 ships worth 3+ times the material cost of a Drake to kill a Drake? Sounds balanced... not. Hey no stealing my name.

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