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The PitBoss
Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.23 14:27:00 -
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On the weekend of September 4 ... our illustrious CSM were flown to CCP HQ to represent the player base on numerous issues for a face -to- face meeting with CCP.
7 weeks later ... we're still awaiting the results of that meeting ...
Sanitizing the minutes for public view SHOULD NOT take 7 weeks (49 days) or (1176 hours) or (70560 minutes) or (4,233,660 seconds)
FYI ... EVERYDAY CCP makes us wait is taking away from the credibility of the whole CSM program
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
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Omber Zombie
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2009.10.23 15:16:00 -
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Tsubutai
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Posted - 2009.10.23 15:31:00 -
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Don Pellegrino
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Posted - 2009.10.23 17:09:00 -
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.10.23 18:55:00 -
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Does it really matter tbh? CSM = useless to the players. The minutes mean nothing. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.10.23 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards Does it really matter tbh? CSM = useless to the players. The minutes mean nothing.
sure. we would finally hear how many free beer they got and what mushrooms mazzilliu tried.
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.23 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards Does it really matter tbh? CSM = useless to the players. The minutes mean nothing.
Case example of player sentiment you think CCP would try to avoid ... no follow up doesn't help ...
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
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BeanBagKing
The Keepers of JewGold Gypsy Nation
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Posted - 2009.10.23 19:31:00 -
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Gotta say, I didn't even know the meeting had happened yet. I don't pay the most attention to CCP/CSM, but I troll the forums enough that I would have noticed if minutes had been posted, I'd like to see those, even if past CSM's have proven themselves next to useless. Guess we'll have to wait and see if these did anything good.
Of course, to see that, minutes will have to be provided.
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Good Advice
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Posted - 2009.10.23 20:25:00 -
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After fanfest, someone posted saying that the minutes had to wait for information from CCP that couldn't be given until after fanfest. I read this, and thought it made sense. However, a lot of drama could have been avoided if they had clearly stated weeks before that it wouldn't be until after fanfest.
Its been 2 weeks since that post, and the minutes still aren't available. Now, its gone from mismanaging information into negligence. If someone doesn't want to do the work, don't run for CSM, and especially don't accept the secretary job.
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2009.10.23 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Fille Balle on 23/10/2009 21:18:41 yup. current csm sucks. need to set some standards imo.
Edit: and if it's so bloody secret (), then at least tell us that your are busy plotting how to best take advantage of teh situation up ahead. I it took you this long, so you're probably way past the the point of "saying nothing and remain inconspious while hiding behind the banner of stupidity".
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RedSplat
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.10.23 21:22:00 -
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Look, no one important cares. You cant have your minutes.
Now quiet down and go look at our pretty dev blogs.
LOOK Youtube!
We are a 21st century company allright
What, you still aren't happy? Stop telling everyone or marketing is going to yell at us again.
No, we really mean it.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.10.23 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss
FYI ... EVERYDAY CCP makes us wait is taking away from the credibility of the whole CSM program
Your primary assumption (that the CSM still has any credibility left after Mazz got done with it) is flawed, and thus your argument doesn't matter.
I am now adopting an attitude of "until it's in the patch notes, it's not happening". --Vel
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The PitBoss
Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.23 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin Your primary assumption (that the CSM still has any credibility left after Mazz got done with it) is flawed, and thus your argument doesn't matter.
Oops .. my bad
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
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Good Advice
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Posted - 2009.10.23 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: The PitBoss
FYI ... EVERYDAY CCP makes us wait is taking away from the credibility of the whole CSM program
Your primary assumption (that the CSM still has any credibility left after Mazz got done with it) is flawed, and thus your argument doesn't matter.
I am now adopting an attitude of "until it's in the patch notes, it's not happening".
I think several members of the CSM do still have some credibility, and are working hard. Its just a minority of members actually not doing their job, not acting ethically, or just who like trolling people a bit too much.
The Euni guy seems to be doing well, with a lot of issues brought to the table. Erik and Avalloc brought a few themselves. Some of the others might not have raised as many issues, but they've contributed in meeting minutes.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.10.24 06:19:00 -
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Why arte you blaming the CSM for this delay? It's only their fault half the time. Have you asked Meissa where the holdup is? Is it a problem with the secretary not getting the stuff to CCP for approval, is it a problem with CCP not giving approval, or is it trapped in limbo somewhere? I'm not going to blindly condemn the CSM for something that quite possibly isn't their fault.
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souhyeahright
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Posted - 2009.10.24 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Why arte you blaming the CSM for this delay? It's only their fault half the time. Have you asked Meissa where the holdup is? Is it a problem with the secretary not getting the stuff to CCP for approval, is it a problem with CCP not giving approval, or is it trapped in limbo somewhere? I'm not going to blindly condemn the CSM for something that quite possibly isn't their fault.
The delay isn't really the problem - it's the total lack of communication. If one of the CSMs were to post saying 'yeah, the minutes are written up, we're just waiting for CCP to OK their release', that would be fine.
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.10.24 13:35:00 -
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Received this from our secretary: " thought I had sent the CSM-CCP iceland minutes, I haven't, they're on the way out. The other minutes will go out today as well"
So an unfortunate mistake, but just a mistake. we're only human.
Director of Education :: EVE University Chairman of the CSM
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Good Advice
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Posted - 2009.10.24 14:16:00 -
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Thank you for looking into this for us. I'm glad to see some communication about it.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.10.25 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal Received this from our secretary: " thought I had sent the CSM-CCP iceland minutes, I haven't, they're on the way out. The other minutes will go out today as well"
So an unfortunate mistake, but just a mistake. we're only human.
Thanks for the update. Hope to see them soon.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.10.25 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal Received this from our secretary: " thought I had sent the CSM-CCP iceland minutes, I haven't, they're on the way out. The other minutes will go out today as well"
So an unfortunate mistake, but just a mistake. we're only human.
So here is a crazy request as well, can you please send them to ME???? As a standing CSM I think I should have gotten them by now!!
Issler
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.10.25 07:40:00 -
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Why does it take two months and many threads later in forum channels that they 'supposedly watch' before they actually let us know whats going on??
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.10.25 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Issler Dainze
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal Received this from our secretary: " thought I had sent the CSM-CCP iceland minutes, I haven't, they're on the way out. The other minutes will go out today as well"
So an unfortunate mistake, but just a mistake. we're only human.
So here is a crazy request as well, can you please send them to ME???? As a standing CSM I think I should have gotten them by now!!
Issler
Erik should've sent them to you last week. Did you check your csm mail? Director of Education :: EVE University Chairman of the CSM
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.25 18:14:00 -
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Yeah.. interesting to finally see what exactly happened.. Nothing like evil CCO/CSM not doing what they are suppose to, it's just a minor mistake. OP has a point, 7 weeks is quite long. Fix Destroyers |
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