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Austin John
Gallente Rapier Industry and Technology
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Posted - 2009.10.24 04:37:00 -
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As far as anyone's knowledge, has anyone ever mined at the absolute fastest achievable?
I'm talking Hulk, Harvester drones, t2 mining upgrades, t2 mining drone rigs, lvl 5 on all appropriate skills, t2 crystals and strip miners, Implants, EVERYTHING!!!!
That, and possibly fleeted with an Orca who has perfect skills and fit for speed.
Lastly, how fast would that be??? EFT won't go as far as to tell me post-Orca bonuses.
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2009.10.24 05:58:00 -
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Edited by: Slavemaster on 24/10/2009 05:59:07 Edited by: Slavemaster on 24/10/2009 05:58:50 Maxed out alone,(with implant) drone rigs 1, drone rigs 2news to me. Are they out? I get 45k Plag on the strip miners, and or so, + 12k (around there) or so on the Drones. per 3min. 67k per 3min *High sec
If you got an alt with the foreman skills, links, implants you get more....
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.24 08:44:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1020825
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.10.24 13:36:00 -
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Harvester drones << Mining Drone II
If you're solo, it's pretty much: Exhumers V Mining Drone Operation V Drone Interfacing V 2x 5% implants.
If you're in a gang. Add Mining Foreman V (And appropriate leadership/wing-/fleet command)
Originally by: Slavemaster http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Haladas_Mining_Guide
Out of date.
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Austin John
Gallente Rapier Industry and Technology
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Posted - 2009.10.24 16:23:00 -
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I know Harvesters are worthless in the fact that they are so expensive, same with the Michi implant.
And I don't need the miners guide, I just wanted to know if the fastest has ever been achieved??? And what that speed might be.
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Ukucia
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.24 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Austin John I know Harvesters are worthless in the fact that they so very, very, very, very SLOW
Fixed
Quote: And I don't need the miners guide, I just wanted to know if the fastest has ever been achieved??? And what that speed might be.
That's in the miner's guide.
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Eulalinda
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Posted - 2009.10.24 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Eulalinda on 24/10/2009 16:59:57 I'm pretty sure it has been achieved.
Originally by: Austin John I know Harvesters are worthless in the fact that they are so expensive, same with the Michi implant.
And I don't need the miners guide....
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." --Mark Twain
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Xessej
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:24:00 -
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It's not terribly hard to achieve and EFT will tell you how short the cycle will get. With a max skilled Rorqual pilot, better bonuses than the orca, the max skilled orca pilot will mine 1961.0365m3 per strip miner cycle which will be 139.5005 seconds long. The 5 mining drone II's will yield 406.2 m3 per minute.
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Austin John
Gallente Rapier Industry and Technology
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Posted - 2009.10.24 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Xessej It's not terribly hard to achieve and EFT will tell you how short the cycle will get. With a max skilled Rorqual pilot, better bonuses than the orca, the max skilled orca pilot will mine 1961.0365m3 per strip miner cycle which will be 139.5005 seconds long. The 5 mining drone II's will yield 406.2 m3 per minute.
Damn...
And it is pretty hard to achieve if you realize how expensive it would be to buy both 5% implants and harvester drones.
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Xessej
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Posted - 2009.10.24 23:54:00 -
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Don't bother with harvesters. The only way they're better than t2's is if you get up close to every roid you mine. the moving around will waste more time than you gain. The figure I gace was for t2 drones. The only really expensive thing is the michi implant. You get the highwall implant with lp from grinding standings for perfect refines.
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Syndd
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Posted - 2009.10.25 05:49:00 -
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honestly, absolute perfection is just a sort of "eft" goal. Real life mining invovles roids that pop at times that result in sub optimal yields etc. Or you spend time repositioning your crew to get in range of new roids. The "perfect case" is always idealized.
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.10.25 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Syndd honestly, absolute perfection is just a sort of "eft" goal. Real life mining invovles roids that pop at times that result in sub optimal yields etc. Or you spend time repositioning your crew to get in range of new roids. The "perfect case" is always idealized.
No It's not just because some roids can't would pop anyway from the same amount of cycles from the "perfect" as from the "regular" doesn't mean perfect wont be worth it, since you will get your higher yield if you keep an eye on popping roids, and there will be some roids where you'll just exactly have enough to fit the ore into x number of cycles with the perfect skills.
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Ishi Tan
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Posted - 2009.10.25 18:00:00 -
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What if you did the mining in low/o.o? Some of the really huge roids take a long time to pop. Of course then you have to ask, what are you mining veld for in low/0.0.....
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ingenting
20th Legion Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2009.10.25 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: ingenting on 25/10/2009 18:11:47
Quote: harvesters = worthless
get closer to the roids then...
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Jack Sabastian
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Posted - 2009.10.25 20:40:00 -
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Possibly, a maxed Hulk pilot is fairly easy to get to, the trick is getting a maxed Rorqual pilot, with maxed mining bonuses. And just for fun the Math.
Maxed Hulk Pilot: 360 Base T2 Strip Miner 1.75 T2 Crystal 1.25 Mining 5 1.25 Astrogeology 5 1.15 Mining Barge 5 1.15 Exhumers 5 1.05 HY-2 Highwall Implant 1.05 Michi Excavation Implant 1.09^2 Mining Laser Upgade x2
So that comes to 1705.3249183 M3 per cycle per strip or 1705.3249183 X 3 Strips /3Min per cycle
A maxed Rorquel Pilot will give the following bonuses
15% Yield bonus with the mindlink
Cycle Time Ganglink 0.02% Base Reduction x5 Mining Director 5 1.5 Mining Foreman Mindlink 1.5 Warfare Link Specialist 1.25 Capital Industrial Ships 5
Total reduction = 0.28125%
So the new rate per min is: 1705.3249183 m3 * 1.15 *3 Strip Miners/(3Min * (1-0.28125))
For a total of 2728.398693 m3 Per Min or 60% faster then the hulk alone.
For Mining Drones II it's 25 m3 per Min Base 2 Drone Interfacing 5 1.25 Mining Drone Operation 5 5 Controlling 5 drones
For a total of 315.5m3 per min
For a grand total of 3040.898693m3 per Min
But that's alot of skills to get to 5
And now I'm bookmakrkign this post so I don't have to write it again.
P.S. for a Orca you get 1.15 for Industrial Command Ships 5 leading to the Hulk mining at 2645.58052m3 per Min or about 55% faster then the Hulk alone.
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Xessej
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Posted - 2009.10.25 22:59:00 -
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You failed to account for the direct yield boost provided bythe boosting pilots mining foreman 5 + mining foreman mindlink. That's a direct 15% add to each strip miners yield.
Also if you're going to for max yield your hulk would have 2 mining drone 2 rigs which boosts the mining drones yield by quite a lot.
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Adiabatic
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Posted - 2009.10.26 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Xessej You failed to account for the direct yield boost provided bythe boosting pilots mining foreman 5 + mining foreman mindlink. That's a direct 15% add to each strip miners yield.
Also if you're going to for max yield your hulk would have 2 mining drone 2 rigs which boosts the mining drones yield by quite a lot.
If you look closer, he did factor in the 15% Mining Foreman Mindlink bonus, in the same calculation that factored in the gang link cycle time bonus. It's not labeled explicitly, but it's there. Also, while 2x Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II is needed for 100% numerical perfection, it completely ruins your shield tank. Between the MLU IIs and the drawback from the rigs, the fitting's CPU is totally borked. Dropping one of the rigs will allow you to fit a functional tank, while only sacrificing ~47m3/min of yield. More than worth it, unless theory-crafted min/max perfection really turns you on or something.
After some time tooling around in EFT, using every bonus to mining yield that I can find and use simultaneously, I came up with these numbers: Total Yield (1x Mining Drone rigs): 3005m3/min Total Yield (2x Mining Drone rigs): 3052m3/min
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Sicardae Bad'ia
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Posted - 2009.10.26 00:23:00 -
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I'm just gonna point out two things, I don't mind all the theorycrafting, but: Harvester drones are stupid expensive, and kinda slow, they aren't practical for daily use, and if you aren't gonna actually do it live, whats the point? The Orca is a better bonus platform that the Rorq, as the Rorq gets a better bonus, but only when its burning heavy water, which again, isn't practical.
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Jack Sabastian
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Posted - 2009.10.26 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sicardae Bad'ia I'm just gonna point out two things, I don't mind all the theorycrafting, but: Harvester drones are stupid expensive, and kinda slow, they aren't practical for daily use, and if you aren't gonna actually do it live, whats the point? The Orca is a better bonus platform that the Rorq, as the Rorq gets a better bonus, but only when its burning heavy water, which again, isn't practical.
1. The numbers I posted were for Mining Drone II not Harvester drones.
2. The Rorq's bonus in not dependent on it being in industrial mode, you only need to activate the "Industrial Core", and hence burn heavy water, to use the compression facilities to compress the ore.
Also I didn't know about the Drone Mining Rig going back to add it now.
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Sicardae Bad'ia
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Posted - 2009.10.26 01:24:00 -
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"5% bonus to effectiveness of mining foreman gang links per level when in deployed mode"
And the bit about harvester drones being 'lol' was directed at no one in particular, they've been mentioned a few times in this thread.
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Jack Sabastian
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Posted - 2009.10.26 02:22:00 -
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Hummmm, the in-game description doesn't mention anything about it having to be in deployed mode. But the people in the help channel say yes. Guess a bug report is in order.
Then again the OP was wondering about max mining yield, for which the Rorq helps with.
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Unity Love
Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.28 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Unity Love on 28/10/2009 14:15:45
Originally by: Sicardae Bad'ia
The Orca is a better bonus platform that the Rorq, as the Rorq gets a better bonus, but only when its burning heavy water, which again, isn't practical.
If you flew a rorqual you would know heavy water is cheap as chips and doesn't really factor in....
Also if hes solo-mining with a support ships.... just get the support ship pilot in a hulk and get a 100% increase rather than 55/60%......
Rorquals are only for corp ops, orcas are for homo mining ops...
(edited to add more ....)
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Riame
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Unity Love Rorquals are only for corp ops, orcas are for homo mining ops...
I'm curious how much effort it requires to be that daft.
Rorqual isn't practical in all situations, and it certainly isn't practical to be used as a hauler. They're different ships. Stop talking about what you don't understand.
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Unity Love
Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.28 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Riame
Originally by: Unity Love Rorquals are only for corp ops, orcas are for homo mining ops...
I'm curious how much effort it requires to be that daft.
Rorqual isn't practical in all situations, and it certainly isn't practical to be used as a hauler. They're different ships. Stop talking about what you don't understand.
ummm what? rorquals are for corp ops.... as in corp mining ops.... as in nothing to do with hauling..... as in I said its only practical for large mining ops..... as in your post makes no sense.... *slow clap for the nameless alt riame*
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Riame
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Posted - 2009.10.28 17:09:00 -
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When your point hasn't been made, keep on truckin'!
Calling the Orca 'for homos' is underlining your ignorance as to it's utility.
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Unity Love
Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.10.28 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Unity Love on 28/10/2009 17:34:32 Edited by: Unity Love on 28/10/2009 17:32:08
Originally by: Riame When your point hasn't been made, keep on truckin'!
Calling the Orca 'for homos' is underlining your ignorance as to it's utility.
(edit: sorry being to flamey. apologies if I came across saying the orca/rorqual were bad, own both and think they're very good ships, I just made the comment as I think orcas are too common to be seen as a manly mining ship.)
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Jack Sabastian
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Posted - 2009.10.28 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Adiabatic
After some time tooling around in EFT, using every bonus to mining yield that I can find and use simultaneously, I came up with these numbers: Total Yield (1x Mining Drone rigs): 3005m3/min Total Yield (2x Mining Drone rigs): 3052m3/min
Actually that second number should be 3059 m3/min in EVE there is no stacking penalty on the Drone mining rig (Went and tested this). But EFT is using the stacking penalty of 87% on the second rig.
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