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Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:04:00 -
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Someone please tell me any other MMO that makes you spend an HOUR just looting the things you've killed.
As if a popup loot window is SO difficult to program after you shoot something. It may come as a shock to CCP, or Icelanders in general, but spending 10 minutes slowboating to a wreck is not exactly engaging or fun. And having to alt-tab out to the internet every 5 minutes so you don't fall asleep is not very immersive.
Now name a successful MMO that doesn't let you customize the look of your avatar. Oh right, there isn't one. Because people like to customize how they look in a game. (I'm talking about ships)
I've played on and off for 5 years and these 2 things have really grinded my gears. CCP thinks the rules don't apply to them. Well, you like to brag about how everything on EVE is on one server... that's because hardly anyone wants to play your game. And those who do aren't rewarded for actually playing and doing things in the game, because it's all TIME based. (ROFL what a joke)
(You make more money that way.)
If you actually made your gave attractive to the general population instead of a small niche audience, you wouldn't have to have micro transactions because people would gladly pay a subscription. |
baltec1
1424
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:06:00 -
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Use a tractor beam? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1247
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:06:00 -
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Ship toasting in a bad thread with a bad OP. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:10:00 -
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Art thou vext brother?
http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2010/02/18/1266525192-kit-kat.jpg Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |
Reicine Ceer
Rodents of Unusual Size The Rat Race
20
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam?
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Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:12:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam?
LOL why should I have to? Seriously. 2500 meters to loot something... why not 10km. Why not 50km? Why is the arbitrary number so small? What were they trying to achieve? Just make things take more time... FOR WHAT?
Besides, if I want a tractor beam, I'd have to sacrifice being able to actually shoot things... JUST TO BE ABLE TO LOOT THEM? Are you insane? Who came up with these ideas? |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
789
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:14:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam? LOL why should I have to? Seriously. 2500 meters to loot something... why not 10km. Why not 50km? Why is the arbitrary number so small? What were they trying to achieve? Just make things take more time... FOR WHAT? Besides, if I want a tractor beam, I'd have to sacrifice being able to actually shoot things... JUST TO BE ABLE TO LOOT THEM? Are you insane? Who came up with these ideas? I bet your sci-fi sandbox MMO will be wildly successful.
Try to remember us little folks. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Serena Serene
University of Caille Gallente Federation
339
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:14:00 -
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You don't have to loot. Looting taking time is the reason there is a synergy between mission runners who are too lazy for that and newer characters (or older ones if they feel like it) who clean up after them. You don't have to loot to get money. If you want to loot, it takes time.
You can fly around in a multitude of ships. Sure it would be nice if you could paint them or something like that, but you say this as if you're stuck with one and the same appearance for the whole game xD
About the one server thing: Eve still has more players online on the one server at the same time as some other MMOs have distributed over 5, 6 or 10 servers.
Skills are time based. Money making is smartness-based. You also make more money if you spend more time doing so. Remember your complaining about looting taking time, for example?
A game doesn't have to cater to a wide audience to be successful. And those who enjoy the niche this game fits in don't want it to either, I think. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
846
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:20:00 -
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Serena Serene wrote:You don't have to loot. Looting taking time is the reason there is a synergy between mission runners who are too lazy for that and newer characters (or older ones if they feel like it) who clean up after them. You don't have to loot to get money. If you want to loot, it takes time.
You can fly around in a multitude of ships. Sure it would be nice if you could paint them or something like that, but you say this as if you're stuck with one and the same appearance for the whole game xD
About the one server thing: Eve still has more players online on the one server at the same time as some other MMOs have distributed over 5, 6 or 10 servers.
Skills are time based. Money making is smartness-based. You also make more money if you spend more time doing so. Remember your complaining about looting taking time, for example?
A game doesn't have to cater to a wide audience to be successful. And those who enjoy the niche this game fits in don't want it to either, I think. Such a shamrock. Such beutiful words, that are spot on btw imo. are but only posted in a troll thread as thread bait.
May the coumminty have a moment of silence... Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
699
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:20:00 -
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HTFU Things are only impossible until they are not. |
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Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:20:00 -
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And if this thread is deleted, or trolled heavily, I must point out, that I'm tired of filling out that part of the subscription cancellation process that asked why I'm cancelling.
This time I've decided to make a thread about it. It's not that suicide ganking that bothers me, or whatever goonswarm or the russians do, or the economy, it's the little things CCP did just to take up more time for some inane and arbitrary reason, or just to make more money.
I really think the game has potential, if they would just hire some people with the job of
Streamlining gameplay, improving the user experience
I feel there is NO ONE at CCP offices who has that job title.
But there could very well be a guy with the job description of:
"Making things take longer & complicating things" Hell, I think they have a whole department for that. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
699
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:22:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:And if this thread is deleted, or trolled heavily, I must point out, that I'm tired of filling out that part of the subscription cancellation process that asked why I'm cancelling.
This time I've decided to make a thread about it. It's not that suicide ganking that bothers me, or whatever goonswarm or the russians do, or the economy, it's the little things CCP did just to take up more time for some inane and arbitrary reason, or just to make more money.
I really think the game has potential, if they would just hire some people with the job of
Streamlining gameplay, improving the user experience
I feel there is NO ONE at CCP offices who has that job title.
But there could very well be a guy with the job description of:
"Making things take longer & complicating things" Hell, I think they have a whole department for that.
Oh man, he's cancelling his army of acconunts.
It's getting real! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eGQ5VFt7P4 Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
38
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:23:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:I've played on and off for 5 years and these 2 things have really grinded my gears.
you've played for 5 years and still haven't figured out how to properly salvage a mission? especially these days with ships like the noctis available?
try using those couple neurons you have between your ears, it may help you figure some of these stuff out. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
542
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam?
That's what she said.
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Nyreanya
Serenity Labs New Eden Research.
163
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:24:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:Someone please tell me any other MMO that makes you spend an HOUR just looting the things you've killed. If you bothered to use a proper salvage ship, you wouldn't take this long.
Maximum Entropy wrote:And having to alt-tab out to the internet every 5 minutes so you don't fall asleep is not very immersive. It is if you use the ingame browser and call it Galnet.
Maximum Entropy wrote:Now name a successful MMO that doesn't let you customize the look of your avatar. Oh right, there isn't one. Because people like to customize how they look in a game. (I'm talking about ships) Right, because t3's don't change shape or anything, and you can't see what type of guns you have fit. And EVE lets you customize your avatar far more than most games.
Maximum Entropy wrote:that's because hardly anyone wants to play your game. That's why their numbers keep dwindling each month, right?
Maximum Entropy wrote:And those who do aren't rewarded for actually playing and doing things in the game, because it's all TIME based. (ROFL what a joke) ... If you actually made your gave attractive to the general population instead of a small niche audience, you wouldn't have to have micro transactions because people would gladly pay a subscription.
Because there's no active ways of making ISK. Yup, all those micro transactions that are running rampant. |
Bluddwolf
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
40
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:25:00 -
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My suggestions for the OP:
1. Noctis is your friend. 10 x targets; 8 high slots; lock on range is about 80 km; tractor beam range is 67 km; Salvage range is 5km; loot range is 1500m
2. More efficient looting / salvage since Inferno screw up.... Tractor 4 wrecks in close enough to salvage; Salvage first; Lock onto 4 new Wrecks; Salvage first..... Keep on doing this until you have to move. Loot all containers before moving. repeat this process in new location.
3. Another option is to ignore small wrecks. Unless they have tags, their loot / salvage is usually not worth the effort since nerf.
To join Heimatar Military Industries-á visit website or conatct Bluddwolf in-gamewww.hmi.guildlaunch.com |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
75
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:26:00 -
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EVE is real. Use magic wand. I mean tractor beam.
P.S. EVE doesn't use common logic. Like you can see -10 security status guys piloting ships in hi-sec. Accept it or it will eat you from inside and turn into World of Tanks player. |
Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:26:00 -
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So, the first thing I'd do if EVE hired me is,
Create a task force of devs to help new players with terminal illnesses, such as cancer, AIDS, etc who would like to fly t2 ships, battleships and capital ships, but will die before the TIME required to achieve those goals passes.
Then I'd add a few specialized slots to battleships, so they could have scanners, cloaks, analyzers, tractor beams, salvagers, etc, without sacrificing dps or tank. This would make it worthwhile to actually level up your skills, as opposed to each new ship being exactly like the last one... (tank or dps) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7858
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:27:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:LOL why should I have to? Good news: you don't.
You don't have to loot either.
The reason they have so many options for how you can approach this problem is becauseGǪ well, that's just what the game does: it gives you options for how to approach your problems. Hopefully, you pick an option that reduces the amount of effort and makes it easy to beat the competition.
You've made a nice combination of bad choices: loot and do it inefficiently. The solution to this is to make a better choice. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
345
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:27:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:....blah blah **** moan .... that's because hardly anyone wants to play your game.... whingy bintchy whinge .
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EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
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Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
38
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:28:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:So, the first thing I'd do if EVE hired me is,
Create a task force of devs to help new players with terminal illnesses, such as cancer, AIDS, etc who would like to fly t2 ships, battleships and capital ships, but will die before the TIME required to achieve those goals passes.
Then I'd add a few specialized slots to battleships, so they could have scanners, cloaks, analyzers, tractor beams, salvagers, etc, without sacrificing dps or tank. This would make it worthwhile to actually level up your skills, as opposed to each new ship being exactly like the last one... (tank or dps)
I guess it's a good thing they'll never hire you then |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
342
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:28:00 -
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EVE is hard. Specifically, it is apparently too hard to fit a tractor beam. Nothing Found |
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
1
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:29:00 -
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If only CCP would put ships in game that made it easier to loot and salvage their mission wrecks.
Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |
baltec1
1426
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:29:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam? LOL why should I have to? Seriously. 2500 meters to loot something... why not 10km. Why not 50km? Why is the arbitrary number so small? What were they trying to achieve? Just make things take more time... FOR WHAT? Besides, if I want a tractor beam, I'd have to sacrifice being able to actually shoot things... JUST TO BE ABLE TO LOOT THEM? Are you insane? Who came up with these ideas?
You just won the stupid award. |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:30:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:
Hey Guys Why can't my wizard hit the dragon with his staff and do more than 14 damage. I mean come on what terrible game play. It also gets on my goat that I can't customize my staff I should be able to make it look like a cross between a hippopotamus and orange.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1862
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:31:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote: If you actually made your gave attractive to the general population instead of a small niche audience, you wouldn't have to have micro transactions because people would gladly pay a subscription.
Third Largest Paid Western MMO on the market. (Behind WoW and SWOTOR) 5th Largest MMO including FTP. (Add Runescape and SecondLife)
EvE is dying. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Diablo Ex
Pro Synergy ARK.
31
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:32:00 -
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This has to be the best Troll thread I've seen today... Bravo.
As an "Elite Professional" salvager, I can tell you with confidence that...
1) I rarely have to "slow boat" anywhere... 2) If it takes more that 15 min to loot a 5 room Angel Extravaganza, you are doing it WRONG!!!
It is best left to US Pro's
Contact me in game, in the "Pro Synergy" channel. I will gladly salvage for you, and pay you a fair price to do it.
Problem Solved
.. PRO SYNERGY - We salvage and process the loot, and pay YOU for it. Proven methodology, weekly payout, great attitude. - join game channel "Pro Synergy" for details. http://sites.google.com/site/prospersynergy/ |
Kiteo Hatto
The Fiction Factory Blue Nation
187
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:34:00 -
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Can't you like...train for a marauder ? They retain the killing power(and then some more) of a fully fitted battleship and they have free high slots for salvager and tractor beams(45k range)
2.5 kilometers is too close ? lol. Let some magic goblins teleport the items from wrecks into your(cargo, how about station)way to ruin realism. How about we don't actually have to undock to do any missions, the rats blow themselves up just by us logging in ? |
Warpshade
5
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:41:00 -
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This has to be a Troll. |
Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:42:00 -
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Right, I could go all the way back to station to change ships each time I want to do something that in any other game I could just... like do it...
OR... I could make a completely new game account, new toon, and pay another monthly fee just to salvage, or scan... and do other things that in any other game, again, I could just .. you know, DO. |
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Yuriko Deathstrike
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:43:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam? LOL why should I have to? Seriously. 2500 meters to loot something... why not 10km. Why not 50km? Why is the arbitrary number so small? What were they trying to achieve? Just make things take more time... FOR WHAT? Besides, if I want a tractor beam, I'd have to sacrifice being able to actually shoot things... JUST TO BE ABLE TO LOOT THEM? Are you insane? Who came up with these ideas?
iknowrite?
In fact, why does the game require ammo for weapons? we always end up reloading them when they run out
i dont even see why we even have to shoot stuff? why cant they just blow up when i warp in
why do i even have to bother with undocking my ship and flying it? why cant i just kill stuff from inside the station?
actually, why should i even have to kill stuff to get isk? it should just appear in my wallet
or even better dont give me isk, just give me all the items i need in game.
why even bother playing this game? i should be going to the gym or taking a walk
wait why should i even do that? why dont i just watch tv and stay inside
actually i dont even like that idea, why should i even bother waking up and getting out of bed? everything in life is just soooo hard
screw all you guys, i'm going back to sleep |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:43:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:Right, I could go all the way back to station to change ships each time I want to do something that in any other game I could just... like do it...
OR... I could make a completely new game account, new toon, and pay another monthly fee just to salvage, or scan... and do other things that in any other game, again, I could just .. you know, DO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VgvM7av1o1Q#t=18s |
Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:45:00 -
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Right, I could go all the way back to station to change ships each time I want to do something that in any other game I could just... like do it...
OR... I could make a completely new game account, new toon, and pay another monthly fee just to salvage, or scan... and do other things that in any other game, again, I could just .. you know, DO.[/quote]
I don't care who you are or how long you've played, you have to admit that as you progress, the abilities of the larger ships do NOT increase.. you'll always have the same standard abilities no matter what size ship you're flying or how long you've played.
Now ask yourself and think about how much better it would be if as you leveled up, your abilities like your SPECIALS in say a battleship were actually more than they were in a cruiser, and a carrier would fill your toolbar with things you could do... to give you something to really push for. |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:45:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:Right, I could go all the way back to station to change ships each time I want to do something that in any other game I could just... like do it...
OR... I could make a completely new game account, new toon, and pay another monthly fee just to salvage, or scan... and do other things that in any other game, again, I could just .. you know, DO. I don't care who you are or how long you've played, you have to admit that as you progress, the abilities of the larger ships do NOT increase.. you'll always have the same standard abilities no matter what size ship you're flying or how long you've played. Now ask yourself and think about how much better it would be if as you leveled up, your abilities like your SPECIALS in say a battleship were actually more than they were in a cruiser, and a carrier would fill your toolbar with things you could do... to give you something to really push for.
Troll forgot to switch characters! |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
700
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:47:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote: Right, I could go all the way back to station to change ships each time I want to do something that in any other game I could just... like do it...
OR... I could make a completely new game account, new toon, and pay another monthly fee just to salvage, or scan... and do other things that in any other game, again, I could just .. you know, DO.
Maximum Entropy wrote:I don't care who you are or how long you've played, you have to admit that as you progress, the abilities of the larger ships do NOT increase.. you'll always have the same standard abilities no matter what size ship you're flying or how long you've played.
Now ask yourself and think about how much better it would be if as you leveled up, your abilities like your SPECIALS in say a battleship were actually more than they were in a cruiser, and a carrier would fill your toolbar with things you could do... to give you something to really push for.
Caught in the act.
I too enjoy multiboxing the forums. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:51:00 -
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Possum's Awesome wrote:If only CCP would put ships in game that made it easier to loot and salvage their mission wrecks.
Right, well, I think that if you want to travel anywhere, you need a specific ship for it. To go anywhere, you need one ship, and to dock, you need another ship. Both will take 3 weeks to train, but once you train for it, you can go places, and dock at stations, respectively.
Also, each type of NPC ship, be in cruiser, frigate, or battlecruiser, must be killed by it's own corresponding player ship. Ie, your frig, can only shoot at frigs, and cruisers can only shoot at other cruisers.
Anything to increase the amount of time players spend going back to the station and switching ships. Because that is what EVE is all about. |
Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:52:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote: Right, I could go all the way back to station to change ships each time I want to do something that in any other game I could just... like do it...
OR... I could make a completely new game account, new toon, and pay another monthly fee just to salvage, or scan... and do other things that in any other game, again, I could just .. you know, DO.
Maximum Entropy wrote:I don't care who you are or how long you've played, you have to admit that as you progress, the abilities of the larger ships do NOT increase.. you'll always have the same standard abilities no matter what size ship you're flying or how long you've played.
Now ask yourself and think about how much better it would be if as you leveled up, your abilities like your SPECIALS in say a battleship were actually more than they were in a cruiser, and a carrier would fill your toolbar with things you could do... to give you something to really push for. Caught in the act. I too enjoy multiboxing the forums.
I'm not, but I'm double posting because of a storm in my area. It's causing me to lose power to my router. It's in central texas, you can look up the storm on the radar if you don't believe me. |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:53:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote:Can't you like...train for a marauder ? They retain the killing power(and then some more) of a fully fitted battleship and they have free high slots for salvager and tractor beams(45k range)
2.5 kilometers is too close ? lol. Let some magic goblins teleport the items from wrecks into your(cargo, how about station)way to ruin realism. How about we don't actually have to undock to do any missions, the rats blow themselves up just by us logging in ?
How about there are no rats we are just paid an isk "salary" for maintaining our subscription. |
baltec1
1426
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:57:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:
I'm not, but I'm double posting because of a storm in my area. It's causing me to lose power to my router. It's in central texas, you can look up the storm on the radar if you don't believe me.
MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A 40 PERCENT CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. SOME THUNDERSTORMS MAY PRODUCE GUSTY WINDS AND HEAVY RAINFALL. LOWS IN THE LOWER 70S. SOUTHEAST WINDS 5 TO 10 MPH.
You must have a 3rd world service to get impacted by that weather. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7858
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:01:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:I don't care who you are or how long you've played, you have to admit that as you progress, the abilities of the larger ships do NOT increase.. you'll always have the same standard abilities no matter what size ship you're flying or how long you've played. Yes. This is a good thing. It means this game does not suffer from the insufferable nonsense you see in level-based games where bigger is better or higher level always beat lower level. Instead, what matters is how you combine your skills and your equipment and your tactics.
It means that you can always expand your toolbox by adding new things, which means there's always something new to push for. At no point are you constrained to do just one thing one way. You build on your options and you balance the breadth of those options against the depth of your specialisation. Each comes at its own cost and with its own benefits, which create further (different) strategies you can employ to approach any given problem. It also means you will very rarely have the same standard abilities as someone else at the same age.
You don't have to fiddle around with antiquated mechanisms as GÇ£levelsGÇ¥ or GÇ£classesGÇ¥ or GÇÿcatching upGÇ¥, because none of it really exists in this game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:04:00 -
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It is quite strange that here I am wishing that the game was easier for us players and more fun, and faster paced, and all I get is people dissing all the ideas like it's crazy talk.
Reminds of that book What wrong with Kansas, where everyone votes against their own interests in politics.
Yea, I want us to have more abilities, and go gain ISK faster and make the SLIGHTLY faster paced, and all of you think THAT'S JUST HORRIBLE!!! |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:05:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:It is quite strange that here I am wishing that the game was easier for us players and more fun, and faster paced, and all I get is people dissing all the ideas like it's crazy talk.
Reminds of that book What wrong with Kansas, where everyone votes against their own interests in politics.
Yea, I want us to have more abilities, and go gain ISK faster and make the SLIGHTLY faster paced, and all of you think THAT'S JUST HORRIBLE!!!
Quiet troll.
You've been caught double posting. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1247
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:06:00 -
[43] - Quote
I dualbox forums, but you'll never know who my alt is. Haha! Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7858
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:09:00 -
[44] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:It is quite strange that here I am wishing that the game was easier for us players and more fun, and faster paced, and all I get is people dissing all the ideas like it's crazy talk. It's because what you're suggesting doesn't particularly make the game easier, more fun, or faster.
What you're suggesting is that the game solves your bad decisions. You chose to do things in a slow, difficult, and boring way, rather than employ the fast, easyGǪ ok, perhaps not fun (but let's for the sake of argument assume that higher ISK/h = more fun). The solution to that problem is for you to choose differently. Removing the choice and variety is the wrong way to go. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:12:00 -
[45] - Quote
Greyscale Dash wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:It is quite strange that here I am wishing that the game was easier for us players and more fun, and faster paced, and all I get is people dissing all the ideas like it's crazy talk.
Reminds of that book What wrong with Kansas, where everyone votes against their own interests in politics.
Yea, I want us to have more abilities, and go gain ISK faster and make the SLIGHTLY faster paced, and all of you think THAT'S JUST HORRIBLE!!! Quiet troll. You've been caught double posting.
Explain that please. By double posting you meant posting with 2 different accounts right? Well, that can be disproven real fast, if you point out which post you think I posted, and then that person saying whether or not they are me? Right? |
Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:15:00 -
[46] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:It is quite strange that here I am wishing that the game was easier for us players and more fun, and faster paced, and all I get is people dissing all the ideas like it's crazy talk. It's because what you're suggesting doesn't particularly make the game easier, more fun, or faster. What you're suggesting is that the game solves your bad decisions. You chose to do things in a slow, difficult, and boring way, rather than employ the fast, easyGǪ ok, perhaps not fun (but let's for the sake of argument assume that higher ISK/h = more fun). The solution to that problem is for you to choose differently. Removing the choice and variety is the wrong way to go. How would your loot popping up after you kill something not make the game easier, and why OH why why why please tell me would anyone actually WANT to have to spend extra time just to FLY TO A WRECK? WHY? WHO would want to have to do that? WHO would even want to have to target it with a tractor beam, wait for it to come to you, then loot it, then salvage it. After 3 tries, or 6 or 8 salvage tries.
WHY WHY WHY WHY? Just let us have the loot so we can move ON! It's elementary. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7858
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:20:00 -
[47] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:How would your loot popping up after you kill something not make the game easier It would make it a hell of a lot harder to steal said loot, for one. For another, a proper looting ship will pretty much have the same effect.
Quote:why OH why why why please tell me would anyone actually WANT to have to spend extra time just to FLY TO A WRECK? No-one. That's why they choose not to, and instead employ tools and strategies that keeps them from doing that. If none of that is available, the fall-back option of just flying there is still available.
Quote:WHO would even want to have to target it with a tractor beam, wait for it to come to you, then loot it, then salvage it. After 3 tries, or 6 or 8 salvage tries. No-one, that's why they employ tools and strategies that means there is no waiting time and pretty much zero retries.
Quote:Just let us have the loot so we can move ON! It's elementary. If you just want to move on, the elementary part would be toGǪ you knowGǪ move on. Why are you obsessing over loot that only reduces your earnings (especially with the technique you've chosen)?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:20:00 -
[48] - Quote
This guy is trying desperately to regain a little legitimacy. |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:21:00 -
[49] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:Tippia wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:It is quite strange that here I am wishing that the game was easier for us players and more fun, and faster paced, and all I get is people dissing all the ideas like it's crazy talk. It's because what you're suggesting doesn't particularly make the game easier, more fun, or faster. What you're suggesting is that the game solves your bad decisions. You chose to do things in a slow, difficult, and boring way, rather than employ the fast, easyGǪ ok, perhaps not fun (but let's for the sake of argument assume that higher ISK/h = more fun). The solution to that problem is for you to choose differently. Removing the choice and variety is the wrong way to go. How would your loot popping up after you kill something not make the game easier, and why OH why why why please tell me would anyone actually WANT to have to spend extra time just to FLY TO A WRECK? WHY? WHO would want to have to do that? WHO would even want to have to target it with a tractor beam, wait for it to come to you, then loot it, then salvage it. After 3 tries, or 6 or 8 salvage tries. WHY WHY WHY WHY? Just let us have the loot so we can move ON! It's elementary.
You are not skilled enough to get the lootz
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Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
38
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:24:00 -
[50] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote: How would your loot popping up after you kill something not make the game easier,
for one thing, a lot of ships don't have the cargohold to carry all the salvage and loot.
Maximum Entropy wrote:OH why why why please tell me would anyone actually WANT to have to spend extra time just to FLY TO A WRECK? WHY? WHO would want to have to do that?
nobody does, though they used to anyway. Nowadays if you're flying to a wreck, you're doing it wrong.
Maximum Entropy wrote:WHO would even want to have to target it with a tractor beam, wait for it to come to you, then loot it, then salvage it. After 3 tries, or 6 or 8 salvage tries.
learn to use an actual salvage ships with proper skills and rigs
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Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:27:00 -
[51] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:How would your loot popping up after you kill something not make the game easier It would make it a hell of a lot harder to steal said loot, for one. For another, a proper looting ship will pretty much have the same effect. Quote:why OH why why why please tell me would anyone actually WANT to have to spend extra time just to FLY TO A WRECK? No-one. That's why they choose not to, and instead employ tools and strategies that keeps them from doing that. If none of that is available, the fall-back option of just flying there is still available. Quote:WHO would even want to have to target it with a tractor beam, wait for it to come to you, then loot it, then salvage it. After 3 tries, or 6 or 8 salvage tries. No-one, that's why they employ tools and strategies that means there is no waiting time and pretty much zero retries. Quote:Just let us have the loot so we can move ON! It's elementary. If you just want to move on, the elementary part would be toGǪ you knowGǪ move on. Why are you obsessing over loot that only reduces your earnings (especially with the technique you've chosen)?
So basically you're saying that since they put these salvage rigs in game, and they put a tractor beam in game, that no one can argue that you would ever need to have tractor beam or salvage rig. So because they DO exist, that means they SHOULD exist. Well I think that's ridiculous. I challenge the notion of having to use a tractor beam, or salvage rig. I like how you say "the option sill exists" to fly to a wreck, instead of saying, if you don't have to skills, and many players don't for the first few months, then you ARE FORCED to fly to each wreck. For them, it is NOT an option, is it?
But it did make it clear to me CCP's point of view. They want to complicate the game so much, and make everything take longer, but they think if they add something like a salvage rig or tractor beam, it will make the user not question the whole concept of needing one in the first place. It's like creating the solution to a problem that never needed to exist in the first place. Then, you just say, oh right, here's the solution. But each salvage rig or tractor beam is taking the place of a module or rig that would have made you finish the mission faster.... it's all just misdirection. |
baltec1
1427
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:30:00 -
[52] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:
So basically you're saying that since they put these salvage rigs in game, and they put a tractor beam in game, that no one can argue that you would ever need to have tractor beam or salvage rig. So because they DO exist, that means they SHOULD exist. Well I think that's ridiculous. I challenge the notion of having to use a tractor beam, or salvage rig. I like how you say "the option sill exists" to fly to a wreck, instead of saying, if you don't have to skills, and many players don't for the first few months, then you ARE FORCED to fly to each wreck. For them, it is NOT an option, is it?
Poor baby. Get out and take your instant gratification whines with you. |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:31:00 -
[53] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:
So basically you're saying that since they put these salvage rigs in game, and they put a tractor beam in game, that no one can argue that you would ever need to have tractor beam or salvage rig. So because they DO exist, that means they SHOULD exist. Well I think that's ridiculous. I challenge the notion of having to use a tractor beam, or salvage rig. I like how you say "the option sill exists" to fly to a wreck, instead of saying, if you don't have to skills, and many players don't for the first few months, then you ARE FORCED to fly to each wreck. For them, it is NOT an option, is it?
Poor baby. Get out and take your instant gratification whines with you.
Dude, he is a troll. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7858
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:33:00 -
[54] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:So basically you're saying that since they put these salvage rigs in game, and they put a tractor beam in game, that no one can argue that you would ever need to have tractor beam or salvage rig. No. I'm saying that they've given you lots of options. It's up to you to mix and match them to best serve your purpose. Your poor decisions in this field is not a design problem.
Quote:I challenge the notion of having to use a tractor beam, or salvage rig. Good news: you don't have to.
Quote:I like how you say "the option sill exists" to fly to a wreck, instead of saying, if you don't have to skills, and many players don't for the first few months, then you ARE FORCED to fly to each wreck. Even better news: they're not forced to.
Best news of all: it's this plethora of options and the ability to customise what to use and how that makes the game interesting. Removing those options because you don't want to deal with them removes gameplay, not just for you but for the people around you.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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baltec1
1427
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:35:00 -
[55] - Quote
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Dude, he is a troll.
I know. Im just using him as entertainment as I try to fix my Sky box. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
188
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:38:00 -
[56] - Quote
0/10 Troll
Use a Noctis, Orca or Marauder FW - Inferno is better, but you need to fix the NPCs and fix the plex bugs CCP |
Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:48:00 -
[57] - Quote
A great example for how they create time wasting solutions for problems intended to be nothing but more of a time-sink is the the need for an analyzer, or hacking modules.
Because just going somewhere and killing NPC, then flying to a spawn container didn't take long enough, you also have to train to use a module, and make that module take up space on your ship that could be used for other things, which in actuality all you're doing is getting loot from stuff you killed.
Just to give one contrasting example, in the SWTOR Beta, you had to click on each individual corpse you killed to get the loot from it. By the time SWTOR was released, they made it easier for players by making it so you just had to click on one dead NPC and it would auto loot all the surrounding NPCs. Neat huh, made it faster and easier. As a player it was great.
But having something so simple in EVE would make the EVE players very angry, you see. Because it would all happen much to fast. They would much rather not only have to click on each individual NPC, but after all the NPCs are dead and it's time to loot, the game system should enforce and TIME SLOWING mechanism, similar to "BULLET TIME" while the player walks to each corpse to loot. The time, and therefore player walking speed, is reduced by 98% in order to waste the most time as he walks in slow motion to each NPC, SLOWLY showing the "kneeling" animation at 98% slower than it should be.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7858
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:50:00 -
[58] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:A great example for how they create time wasting solutions for problems intended to be nothing but more of a time-sink is the the need for an analyzer, or hacking modules. GǪwhich separate the low-skilled from the highly skilled, and those with few slots from those with many slots, thus creating different competitive advantages to choose from as you race to get the stuff.
Quote:Just to give one contrasting example, in the SWTOR Beta, you had to click on each individual corpse you killed to get the loot from it. GǪand how did you steal loot? How did you cherry-pick loot? How did you ignore and destroy loot? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:51:00 -
[59] - Quote
Now, in SWTOR was like EVE, it should be noted that a player can speed up the SLOW MOTION mechanism by unequipping all armor, traveling to the origin world, and respeccing to a completley different class, called the "speed up class." This class does no damage at all, and gets ONE hit killed by any npcs or players, and it costs 100 million credits each time you switch to this class, BUT IT IS AN OPTION, and because you have to option to do it, NO ONE can challenge the idea that you should ever need such an option.
So yea, you can just respec to a LOOTING Guy, OR in EVE, a noctis, then respec BACK to a combat class, and you'll have to about 5 times during each play session.
Cuz it's .. realistic. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1438
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:53:00 -
[60] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:Now, if SWTOR was like EVE, it should be noted that a player can speed up the SLOW MOTION mechanism by unequipping all armor, traveling to the origin world, and respeccing to a completley different class, called the "speed up class." This class does no damage at all, and gets ONE hit killed by any npcs or players, and it costs 100 million credits each time you switch to this class, BUT IT IS AN OPTION, and because you have to option to do it, NO ONE can challenge the idea that you should ever need such an option.
So yea, you can just respec to a LOOTING Guy, OR in EVE, a noctis, then respec BACK to a combat class, and you'll have to about 5 times during each play session.
Cuz it's .. realistic.
Wait, didn't that game die or something? |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7858
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Posted - 2012.06.12 03:57:00 -
[61] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:So yea, you can just respec to a LOOTING Guy, OR in EVE, a noctis, then respec BACK to a combat class, and you'll have to about 5 times during each play session. GǪexcept, of course, that you don't.
In fact, pretty much nothing in the scenario you described was correct for how things work in EVE. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:02:00 -
[62] - Quote
So in Tippia's world......
I tell another person: Hi! I'm going to kill you in one hour. The good news is, I'm giving you 3 options as to how I'll kill you.
Oh JOY! Yes, I'm going to die, he says, but at least I have three options as to how!!!
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Maximum Entropy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:04:00 -
[63] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:So yea, you can just respec to a LOOTING Guy, OR in EVE, a noctis, then respec BACK to a combat class, and you'll have to about 5 times during each play session. GǪexcept, of course, that you don't. In fact, pretty much nothing in the scenario you described was correct for how things work in EVE.
Actually, it's pretty much spot on. As I've said, I've played for over 5 years off and on, and unlike you, I've never spent any of that time trying to get SEVEN THOUSAND people to like the posts I make on the forums.
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
701
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:05:00 -
[64] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:Tippia wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:So yea, you can just respec to a LOOTING Guy, OR in EVE, a noctis, then respec BACK to a combat class, and you'll have to about 5 times during each play session. GǪexcept, of course, that you don't. In fact, pretty much nothing in the scenario you described was correct for how things work in EVE. Actually, it's pretty much spot on. As I've said, I've played for over 5 years off and on, and unlike you, I've never spent any of that time trying to get SEVEN THOUSAND people to like the posts I make on the forums.
Man, you've already lost all your credibility. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7858
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:05:00 -
[65] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:So in Tippia's world...... Nope.
What you just described is your world. Don't try to hang it around my neck because I have nothing to do with it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
227
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:05:00 -
[66] - Quote
You know the phrase 'jack of all trades, master of none'?
You want 'jack of all trades, master of all too'.
Sorry, not gonna get it.
Maximum Entropy wrote:Tippia wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:So yea, you can just respec to a LOOTING Guy, OR in EVE, a noctis, then respec BACK to a combat class, and you'll have to about 5 times during each play session. GǪexcept, of course, that you don't. In fact, pretty much nothing in the scenario you described was correct for how things work in EVE. Actually, it's pretty much spot on. As I've said, I've played for over 5 years off and on, and unlike you, I've never spent any of that time trying to get SEVEN THOUSAND people to like the posts I make on the forums.
The first sign a person has realized he's lost an argument: the ad hominem. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
728
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:07:00 -
[67] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:Actually, it's pretty much spot on. As I've said, I've played for over 5 years off and on, and unlike you, I've never spent any of that time trying to get SEVEN THOUSAND people to like the posts I make on the forums.
The stupid on the forums is at an all time high today. Is the moon full? Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |
Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
38
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:08:00 -
[68] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Man, you've already lost all your credibility.
pretty much, it's just embarrassing to see him trying to maintain the facade that he's actually serious.
on the slim chance that he's actually serious, well, it's still embarrassing, knowing that someone like him is of the same specie as me. |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:11:00 -
[69] - Quote
Sobach wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Man, you've already lost all your credibility. pretty much, it's just embarrassing to see him trying to maintain the facade that he's actually serious. on the slim chance that he's actually serious, well, it's still embarrassing, knowing that someone like him is of the same specie as me.
Uh for some reason it switched the author, but this is still Maximum Entropy obviously,
but I just had to say, if you say that about me I can't imagine what you'd say about someone like, oh I don't know, a certain WWII instigator. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
64
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:13:00 -
[70] - Quote
Brake not given.
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Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:13:00 -
[71] - Quote
Torneach wrote:You know the phrase 'jack of all trades, master of none'? You want 'jack of all trades, master of all too'. Sorry, not gonna get it. Maximum Entropy wrote:Tippia wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:So yea, you can just respec to a LOOTING Guy, OR in EVE, a noctis, then respec BACK to a combat class, and you'll have to about 5 times during each play session. GǪexcept, of course, that you don't. In fact, pretty much nothing in the scenario you described was correct for how things work in EVE. Actually, it's pretty much spot on. As I've said, I've played for over 5 years off and on, and unlike you, I've never spent any of that time trying to get SEVEN THOUSAND people to like the posts I make on the forums. The first sign a person has realized he's lost an argument: the ad hominem.
Now count the number of times an ad hominem attack as used on me in the thread... thanks... |
Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
227
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:15:00 -
[72] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:Now count the number of times an ad hominem attack as used on me in the thread... thanks...
So because somebody did it first, you now have license to do it as well?
Come on, man, if someone attacks you, don't fall to their level. Just keep your head up and ignore it. |
R0me0 Charl1e
Easy A Industries
31
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:15:00 -
[73] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:Tippia wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:So yea, you can just respec to a LOOTING Guy, OR in EVE, a noctis, then respec BACK to a combat class, and you'll have to about 5 times during each play session. GǪexcept, of course, that you don't. In fact, pretty much nothing in the scenario you described was correct for how things work in EVE. Actually, it's pretty much spot on. As I've said, I've played for over 5 years off and on, and unlike you, I've never spent any of that time trying to get SEVEN THOUSAND people to like the posts I make on the forums. After reading this, I have now liked all of Tippia's posts in this thread.
Hope you get to 8k soon Tippia! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7866
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:18:00 -
[74] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:Now count the number of times an ad hominem attack as used on me in the thread... thanks... Do you have any examples? I see plenty of people calling you stupid because they think your ideas are silly; I don't see so many claiming that your ideas are silly because you are stupid.
The former isn't really an ad hominem; the latter is. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:22:00 -
[75] - Quote
Maxime Entropy's ideas are silly because he or she is stupid
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Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:23:00 -
[76] - Quote
R0me0 Charl1e wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:Tippia wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:So yea, you can just respec to a LOOTING Guy, OR in EVE, a noctis, then respec BACK to a combat class, and you'll have to about 5 times during each play session. GǪexcept, of course, that you don't. In fact, pretty much nothing in the scenario you described was correct for how things work in EVE. Actually, it's pretty much spot on. As I've said, I've played for over 5 years off and on, and unlike you, I've never spent any of that time trying to get SEVEN THOUSAND people to like the posts I make on the forums. After reading this, I have now liked all of Tippia's posts in this thread. Hope you get to 8k soon Tippia! I'm sure he will. Especially if he follows these simple rules for being loved on the forums:
Always support CCP's decisions, no matter what.
Anytime someone posts a valid point, or a good idea, accuse them of trolling.
Anytime someone is trolling, accuse them of trolling.
Never challenge the status quo, or conventional wisdom, unless the majority of FORUM users, as opposed to people who play the game, disagree with it.
Make sure 80% of your posts are smiley bumps. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
728
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:24:00 -
[77] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:Anytime someone posts a valid point, or a good idea, accuse them of trolling. This post was neither. Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7866
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:32:00 -
[78] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:I'm sure he will. Especially if he follows these simple rules for being loved on the forums:
Always support CCP's decisions, no matter what. GǪexcept that most of my likes come from me not supporting their decisions and being quite vocal about it. They'd probably be double what I currently have if the forums had been in working order during Incarna.
Quote:Anytime someone posts a valid point, or a good idea, accuse them of trolling. GǪexcept that I don't call people trolls (especially if they're trolling), but rather argue the points they're trying to make, since they are rarely valid or particularly good. Arguing is more fun than just dismissing people.
Quote:Anytime someone is trolling, accuse them of trolling. GǪexcept that my tactic for trolls is to treat them as if they were serious because for every actual troll, there are ten people who genuinely think the troll's hilariously bad idea is a good idea. Arguing their ideas with the troll as a proxy is just more efficient.
Quote:Never challenge the status quo, or conventional wisdom, unless the majority of FORUM users, as opposed to people who play the game, disagree with it. GǪexcept that the conventional wisdom usually isn't wise, and that I'm quite fond in demonstrating this, and except that the challenging the status quo requires some reasoning and I challenge those who offer none. If you come up with a good argument why the status quo needs to change, then I'll gladly support it.
Quote:Make sure 80% of your posts are smiley bumps. GǪexcept that I don't bump posts.
Anything else you'd like to be wrong about? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Riddik
Dark Club
4
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:36:00 -
[79] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:So in Tippia's world......
I tell another person: Hi! I'm going to kill you in one hour. The good news is, I'm giving you 3 options as to how I'll kill you.
Oh JOY! Yes, I'm going to die, he says, but at least I have three options as to how!!!
your an idiot, your the reason they invented cement shoes. |
R0me0 Charl1e
Easy A Industries
31
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:43:00 -
[80] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Rebuttal to Maxime Entropy And that is why she's getting my likes in this thread. |
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Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:53:00 -
[81] - Quote
You guys are right. Everything I've said is crap. And I should be killed.
You're all so much smarter than me, and better human beings. And you all look like body builders in real life, and you all are billionaires. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:05:00 -
[82] - Quote
uhmm.
Maximum Entropy wrote: Now name a successful MMO that doesn't let you customize the look of your avatar. EVE... Oh wait, your ship isn't your avatar.
And of course, u mad bro?
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:10:00 -
[83] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:So, the first thing I'd do if EVE hired me is,
Create a task force of devs to help new players with terminal illnesses, such as cancer, AIDS, etc who would like to fly t2 ships, battleships and capital ships, but will die before the TIME required to achieve those goals passes.
Then I'd add a few specialized slots to battleships, so they could have scanners, cloaks, analyzers, tractor beams, salvagers, etc, without sacrificing dps or tank. This would make it worthwhile to actually level up your skills, as opposed to each new ship being exactly like the last one... (tank or dps) Hey douchebag, I'm terminally ill. Go eff, yourself.
Dear CCP. I'm sorry. And it's not a joke. |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:15:00 -
[84] - Quote
Natsett Amuinn wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:So, the first thing I'd do if EVE hired me is,
Create a task force of devs to help new players with terminal illnesses, such as cancer, AIDS, etc who would like to fly t2 ships, battleships and capital ships, but will die before the TIME required to achieve those goals passes.
Then I'd add a few specialized slots to battleships, so they could have scanners, cloaks, analyzers, tractor beams, salvagers, etc, without sacrificing dps or tank. This would make it worthwhile to actually level up your skills, as opposed to each new ship being exactly like the last one... (tank or dps) Hey douchebag, I'm terminally ill. Go eff, yourself. Dear CCP. I'm sorry. And it's not a joke. Then it would be logical for you to support the initiative. Unfortunately, it's exceedingly difficult to find people with logical positions on Internet forums. Instead, simply because I mention terminal illness, you tell me to go eff myself.
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Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
78
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:15:00 -
[85] - Quote
hey OP......you whine like a baby. You make more noise then a baby?
But seriously you should take the time to read the ISK Guide. look at the ships and discover that there is this awsome ship out there in game called a NOCTIS! Yes a Noctis. its awsomeness for the mission ***** Awsomeness for the Ratting plexing ***** you can put tractor beams on it and salvagers to make even more isk.
But something tells me you over reacted like a...... BABY! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7868
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:21:00 -
[86] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:Unfortunately, it's exceedingly difficult to find people with logical positions on Internet forums. Instead, simply because I mention terminal illness, you tell me to go eff myself. Maybe because you're trying to score cheap points rather than present a logical reason why any change is needed?
Maybe you should address the points being made rather than make the people offering those points the topic?
Maybe you should listen to the advice people are offering regarding what you might be doing wrong, rather than assume that it's the game that is broken? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:25:00 -
[87] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Maxime Entropy wrote:Unfortunately, it's exceedingly difficult to find people with logical positions on Internet forums. Instead, simply because I mention terminal illness, you tell me to go eff myself. Maybe because you're trying to score cheap points rather than present a logical reason why any change is needed? Maybe you should address the points being made rather than make the people offering those points the topic? Maybe you should listen to the advice people are offering regarding what you might be doing wrong, rather than assume that it's the game that is broken? I'm not "doing anything wrong."
I own a noctis. I bought one when they came out years ago.
No one has explained how how the loot system works benefits us players. No one has even tried. The only time someone came close was when they said how it helps people steal loot. LOL. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7868
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:33:00 -
[88] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:I'm not "doing anything wrong." GÇ£spending 10 minutes slowboating to a wreckGÇ¥ GÇ£having to alt-tab out to the internet every 5 minutes so you don't fall asleepGÇ¥ GÇ£target it with a tractor beam, wait for it to come to you, then loot it, then salvage it. After 3 tries, or 6 or 8 salvage tries.GÇ¥ GÇ£having to use a tractor beam, or salvage rig.GÇ¥ GÇ£you ARE FORCED to fly to each wreck.GÇ¥
All of these are cases of doing it wrong.
Quote:I own a noctis. I bought one when they came out years ago. Then why are you having problems?
Quote:No one has explained how how the loot system works benefits us players. No one has even tried. The only time someone came close was when they said how it helps people steal loot. LOL. In other words, we have explained how it benefits us players. Oh, and that is not the only instance.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:36:00 -
[89] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote: Then it would be logical for you to support the initiative. Unfortunately, it's exceedingly difficult to find people with logical positions on Internet forums. Instead, simply because I mention terminal illness, you tell me to go eff myself.
Don't patronize me. You made an incredibly **** comment, period.
I do my fair share of trolling and ass hatry, but at least I have the decency to know where to draw the line.
A disingenuous comment is a disingenuous comment. You should probably just take my insult and report my post, instead of trying to continue this line of discussion. You won't get; I do sincerely hope that you never do. |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:37:00 -
[90] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Maxime Entropy wrote:I'm not "doing anything wrong." GÇ£spending 10 minutes slowboating to a wreckGÇ¥ GÇ£having to alt-tab out to the internet every 5 minutes so you don't fall asleepGÇ¥ GÇ£target it with a tractor beam, wait for it to come to you, then loot it, then salvage it. After 3 tries, or 6 or 8 salvage tries.GÇ¥ GÇ£having to use a tractor beam, or salvage rig.GÇ¥ GÇ£you ARE FORCED to fly to each wreck.GÇ¥ All of these are cases of doing it wrong. Quote:I own a noctis. I bought one when they came out years ago. Then why are you having problems? Quote:No one has explained how how the loot system works benefits us players. No one has even tried. The only time someone came close was when they said how it helps people steal loot. LOL. In other words, we have explained how it benefits us players. Oh, and that is not the only instance. Wonder why, in those MMOs that have millions of players, the loot system is not specifically designed for people to come and steal your loot....
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people being able to steal your stuff, in fact I think it's awesome. |
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Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:38:00 -
[91] - Quote
OP Needs a Noctis... any sellers? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7868
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:40:00 -
[92] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:Wonder why, in those MMOs that have millions of players, the loot system is not specifically designed for people to come and steal your loot.... What you should be asking is why it's specifically designed to allow for it in EVE.
This will answer a lot of your questions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:41:00 -
[93] - Quote
Natsett Amuinn wrote:Maxime Entropy wrote: Then it would be logical for you to support the initiative. Unfortunately, it's exceedingly difficult to find people with logical positions on Internet forums. Instead, simply because I mention terminal illness, you tell me to go eff myself.
Don't patronize me. You made an incredibly **** comment, period. I do my fair share of trolling and ass hatry, but at least I have the decency to know where to draw the line. A disingenuous comment is a disingenuous comment. You should probably just take my insult and report my post, instead of trying to continue this line of discussion. You won't get; I do sincerely hope that you never do. Huh? What incredibly "something" comment did I make? I'm simply pointing out the obvious truth.
FACT: A certain percentage of EVE players will DIE before reaching their goals in this game, and they can't do **** about it. It's a FACT. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:41:00 -
[94] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:[
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people being able to steal your stuff, in fact I think it's awesome. The fact that it takes time to get to the wreck would actually benefit a game were someone in a faster ship could fly in and steal the loot from you.
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Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
38
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:49:00 -
[95] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote: Huh? What incredibly "something" comment did I make? I'm simply pointing out the obvious truth.
no, you tried to score cheap sympathy points by using the terminally ill player card, which is pure douchebaggery and deserved every bit of disdain and disgust you get, doubly so from actual terminally ill players who wanted to be no part of your bs. |
Serena Serene
University of Caille Gallente Federation
354
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:02:00 -
[96] - Quote
Sobach wrote:Maxime Entropy wrote: Huh? What incredibly "something" comment did I make? I'm simply pointing out the obvious truth.
no, you tried to score cheap sympathy points by using the terminally ill player card, which is pure douchebaggery and deserved every bit of disdain and disgust you get, doubly so from actual terminally ill players who wanted to be no part of your bs.
I don't think he tried to score sympathy points. He just "used" terminally ill players as a point to exaggerately state that you need months and years to reach any goal in this game, by saying these players couldn't reach their goals before they die.
Which I still need to wrap my head around, why it should be bad to have long-term goals in a game. I mean, it's not that you can't have fun in the meantime.
I'm playing little over a week now and am having fun. There's -so much- I still want to skill for and try, and I'm looking forward to it, but just "having fun now" works too, so it really is an advantage to know there are new things to do for years. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:03:00 -
[97] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:And if this thread is deleted, or trolled heavily, I must point out, that I'm tired of filling out that part of the subscription cancellation process that asked why I'm cancelling.
This time I've decided to make a thread about it. It's not that suicide ganking that bothers me, or whatever goonswarm or the russians do, or the economy, it's the little things CCP did just to take up more time for some inane and arbitrary reason, or just to make more money.
I really think the game has potential, if they would just hire some people with the job of
Streamlining gameplay, improving the user experience
I feel there is NO ONE at CCP offices who has that job title.
But there could very well be a guy with the job description of:
"Making things take longer & complicating things" Hell, I think they have a whole department for that.
Everything already exsists in the game to solve all of your problems. If you do not choose to use them that is your problem not CCP's. Everything has a give and take as designed. No you are not supposed to have everything you want all in one ship. It is that way on purpose to give incentive to work as a group in a multiplayer game. Working as intended and will never work the way you want IE. solo. Deal with it or not. Change EVE to make you happy will never happen. |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:20:00 -
[98] - Quote
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:And if this thread is deleted, or trolled heavily, I must point out, that I'm tired of filling out that part of the subscription cancellation process that asked why I'm cancelling.
This time I've decided to make a thread about it. It's not that suicide ganking that bothers me, or whatever goonswarm or the russians do, or the economy, it's the little things CCP did just to take up more time for some inane and arbitrary reason, or just to make more money.
I really think the game has potential, if they would just hire some people with the job of
Streamlining gameplay, improving the user experience
I feel there is NO ONE at CCP offices who has that job title.
But there could very well be a guy with the job description of:
"Making things take longer & complicating things" Hell, I think they have a whole department for that. Everything already exsists in the game to solve all of your problems. If you do not choose to use them that is your problem not CCP's. Everything has a give and take as designed. No you are not supposed to have everything you want all in one ship. It is that way on purpose to give incentive to work as a group in a multiplayer game. Working as intended and will never work the way you want IE. solo. Deal with it or not. Change EVE to make you happy will never happen. So, are you telling me that if 500 people came to the forums and said, we want more options for fitting higher level, more expensive ships like battleships or t2 ships, you would DISAGREE with them? I highly doubt you would.
But one guy asking for more abilities, or asking for anything, is low hanging fruit for disagreeable people. But in the end, it's the same thing. I'm just asking for more abilities, and more customization in ships... more content. It's quite uncontroversial. I'm asking for being able to do missions faster. That is SEEMINGLY uncontroversial.
But of course, I'm just one guy... asking for something without a army typists at my back, very easy to marginalize. |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:24:00 -
[99] - Quote
Let's say, it takes at least a year to fly a carrier, and I think it takes more for all the other skills you need so we'll say a year and half.
So now you're in the carrier, after a year and a half... waited a long time, so what can you do now that you couldn't do before? Is the time spent equal to the reward? Have your abilities increased that greatly? NOPE. You've got the same module limitations in a ship that took and year and a half to get as one that took 2 months.
Ridiculous. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7872
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:27:00 -
[100] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:So, are you telling me that if 500 people came to the forums and said, we want more options for fitting higher level, more expensive ships like battleships or t2 ships, you would DISAGREE with them? No, he's not. He's saying that you're not supposed to have everything you want in one ship.
Quote:But one guy asking for more abilities, or asking for anything, is low hanging fruit for disagreeable people. Nope.
Quote:I'm just asking for more abilities, and more customization in ships. Actually, no. You're asking for automation of something that isn't meant to be automated, to avoid work that you're meant to do (or choose not to because it's not worth your time) using the various options already at your disposal which have costs and benefits that give you different advantages when pitted against other players.
You're not asking for more content. You're asking for less. That's why people aren't agreeing with you.
Quote:So now you're in the carrier, after a year and a half... waited a long time, so what can you do now that you couldn't do before? Is the time spent equal to the reward? Have your abilities increased that greatly? Yes. You have been given a rather wide array of abilities you didn't have before and other abilities have increased greatly. Whether the time spent was worth it is not something that is objectively quantifiable. Do you need those added abilities? Then yes. If not, then noGǪ but then again, why did you train it if you didn't need it? Once again: your bad decisions isn't a game design flaw. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:38:00 -
[101] - Quote
OP.. if you don't like looting, don't loot. Do something else like trading... buy the loot cheap at mission hub and refine/sell at trading hub. Or make a living selling ammo to the other mission runners. Or go to the dark side and start ninja looting. There's a gazillion things to do in eve. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
308
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:44:00 -
[102] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:Someone please tell me any other MMO that makes you spend an HOUR just looting the things you've killed.
As if a popup loot window is SO difficult to program after you shoot something. It may come as a shock to CCP, or Icelanders in general, but spending 10 minutes slowboating to a wreck is not exactly engaging or fun. And having to alt-tab out to the internet every 5 minutes so you don't fall asleep is not very immersive.
Now name a successful MMO that doesn't let you customize the look of your avatar. Oh right, there isn't one. Because people like to customize how they look in a game. (I'm talking about ships)
I've played on and off for 5 years and these 2 things have really grinded my gears. CCP thinks the rules don't apply to them. Well, you like to brag about how everything on EVE is on one server... that's because hardly anyone wants to play your game. And those who do aren't rewarded for actually playing and doing things in the game, because it's all TIME based. (ROFL what a joke)
(You make more money that way.)
If you actually made your gave attractive to the general population instead of a small niche audience, you wouldn't have to have micro transactions because people would gladly pay a subscription.
Don't like salvaging? neither do I, so don't do it. You want fries with that? |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:49:00 -
[103] - Quote
No, he's not. He's saying that you're not supposed to have everything you want in one ship.
So, that means you hate T3 cruisers, because, they're very modifiable, and it's ONE ship, that you can customize.
Quote:But one guy asking for more abilities, or asking for anything, is low hanging fruit for disagreeable people. Nope.
"NOPE?" Oh. You disagreed. Arguement won! Gratz.
You're not asking for more content. You're asking for less. That's why people aren't agreeing with you.
True, what I'm asking for has lees to do with quantity than quality. Saying "people aren't agreeing with me" means nothing. You're only posting because you disagree, and you're only disagreeing because you like to argue.
Yes. You have been given a rather wide array of abilities you didn't have before and other abilities have increased greatly. Whether the time spent was worth it is not something that is objectively quantifiable. Do you need those added abilities? Then yes. If not, then noGǪ but then again, why did you train it if you didn't need it? Once again: your bad decisions isn't a game design flaw.
"A rather wide array of abilities?" Post a carrier fit. It will have the same "abilities" as a battleship. TANK, GUNS, NUET, DISRUPTOR, WEB, RR. And very very unlikely to have all of them. Exact same abilities that a battleship could have. OH one ship can't have everything!!!! HEY.. IF I spent a year and half playing this game, THEN YEA, I WANT A SHIP THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING.
Now, you talk about this game as if it's rules and systems and all it's intricacies simply sprung up out of nature and that they were not designed and created and programmed by PEOPLE like you and me. People created and shape this virtual universe according to their vision and goals. Yet, this is a game and one that requires it's users to pay real money to play. My only wish, as I look at this game now and since it was created, that CCP would focus more on it's users gameplay experiences than their own bottom line.
Do you think it was a coincidence that just as CCP throws a huge (read expensive) party at an event center in Iceland, around the same time a massive ship kill off in Jita is orchestrated, destroying hundreds of ships, driving up the prices of everything... just so that people with buy more PLEX to cover losses and replace their ships? And just like that they pay for their little party. I have no problem with that.
I would like for them to make the game less of an obvious tedious and boring time-sink. I'm not cancelling my account because I like the game, but it could be much better. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1021
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:55:00 -
[104] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:"A rather wide array of abilities?" Post a carrier fit. It will have the same "abilities" as a battleship. TANK, GUNS, NUET, DISRUPTOR, WEB, RR. And very very unlikely to have all of them. Exact same abilities that a battleship could have. OH one ship can't have everything!!!! HEY.. IF I spent a year and half playing this game, THEN YEA, I WANT A SHIP THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING. Carriers can fit guns? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
408
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:00:00 -
[105] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam?
+1 and fit your ship with MWD or ABN
Tal |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7875
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:03:00 -
[106] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:So, that means you hate T3 cruisers Nope. Because they don't let you have everything in one ship. Also, nothing was said about hating ships.
Quote:"NOPE?" Oh. You disagreed. Arguement won! Gratz. You should have kept readingGǪ Alternatively, what you said was just a big stonking strawman.
Quote:True, what I'm asking for has lees to do with quantity than quality. You're not asking for better quality either. The reason I disagree with you is because your idea removes gameplay for no good reason. It solves nothing and breaks stuff. I don't have to like to argue to disagree with that kind of destructiveness.
Quote:"A rather wide array of abilities?" Post a carrier fit. It will have the same "abilities" as a battleship. TANK, GUNS, NUET, DISRUPTOR, WEB, RR. GǪjumpdrive, fighters, siege mode, corp hangar, ship bay. It will not have guns. Fitting disruptors and webs on it is pretty stupid (but they're borderline on battleships as well, so we'll let that one slide). In addition, the abilities of those modules will be greatly enhanced. So not only are the abilities not exactly the same GÇö those that are the same have indeed increased.
Quote: IF I spent a year and half playing this game, THEN YEA, I WANT A SHIP THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING. Tough. EVE doesn't work that way. You want a level-based system where higher level = better. EVE is quite carefully designed not to fall into that silly old trap, but rather to make age be rewarded with more options and more choices.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
739
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:04:00 -
[107] - Quote
You can loot a battlefield without moving using a Noctis, its possible to loot about 50 ships in a few minutes. If that is too hard for you, then you are probably better off playing Diabloooaboo 3. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:12:00 -
[108] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote: then you are probably better off playing Diabloooaboo 3.
Although that game requires you to click each item that you wish to pick up...
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Serena Serene
University of Caille Gallente Federation
361
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:13:00 -
[109] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote: [...] HEY.. IF I spent a year and half playing this game, THEN YEA, I WANT A SHIP THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING. [...]
You sound as if you need a reward for being able to stand this game this long. You're doing it wrong then. It's almost the same as people obsessed over "end game" in other MMOs .. they just want to rush through to a goal at the end, instead of enjoying the game from the beginning.
If you enjoy playing then having a carrier after a year and a half is a bonus, as far as I see it. It was mentioned you shouldn't skill for something you don't need (and don't want, I'd add, since you can have fun with things you don't need), and that makes sense for such long skill times. So I'd imagine after a year and a half of having fun playing the game to get yet another option to go about things differently, to fill another role, would be quite a reward.
If you don't have fun playing you likely won't have after reaching your big goal either. So you should come up with ways to have fun. This game seems to give you a lot of possibilities to come up with your own stuff. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:13:00 -
[110] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:"A rather wide array of abilities?" Post a carrier fit. It will have the same "abilities" as a battleship. TANK, GUNS, NUET, DISRUPTOR, WEB, RR. And very very unlikely to have all of them. Exact same abilities that a battleship could have. OH one ship can't have everything!!!! HEY.. IF I spent a year and half playing this game, THEN YEA, I WANT A SHIP THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING.
One of the main reasons I play EVE is so I can pretend I live on a different planet from numskulls like this. |
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
408
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:16:00 -
[111] - Quote
Serena Serene wrote:Maxime Entropy wrote: [...] HEY.. IF I spent a year and half playing this game, THEN YEA, I WANT A SHIP THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING. [...]
You sound as if you need a reward for being able to stand this game this long. You're doing it wrong then. It's almost the same as people obsessed over "end game" in other MMOs .. they just want to rush through to a goal at the end, instead of enjoying the game from the beginning. If you enjoy playing then having a carrier after a year and a half is a bonus, as far as I see it. It was mentioned you shouldn't skill for something you don't need (and don't want, I'd add, since you can have fun with things you don't need), and that makes sense for such long skill times. So I'd imagine after a year and a half of having fun playing the game to get yet another option to go about things differently, to fill another role, would be quite a reward. If you don't have fun playing you likely won't have after reaching your big goal either. So you should come up with ways to have fun. This game seems to give you a lot of possibilities to come up with your own stuff.
He wants a Golem, that pretty much does everything ?
Talon |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1272
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:16:00 -
[112] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam?
or
Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Don't like salvaging? neither do I, so don't do it.
Pretty much /thread.
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Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
6
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:26:00 -
[113] - Quote
Godwin's Law hitting in on page 4, not bad.
Though, it was the OP himself - not sure it counts then. |
Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:33:00 -
[114] - Quote
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Godwin's Law hitting in on page 4, not bad.
Though, it was the OP himself - not sure it counts then.
it was really an inversion of Godwin's law; rather than "you are like ******", we had "you are like one who compares others to ******" GÇô postum faex est GÇô-á |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:33:00 -
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Yea, I've changed my mind after all. CCP was really onto something. I hope more game companies will focus on making games more annoying, tedious, and boring. Those are the exact feelings I want to feel when I sit down to play a video game.
Now I'll go watch that irony-free HTFU internet tough-guy rap video again. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7876
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:45:00 -
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Maxime Entropy wrote:I hope more game companies will focus on making games more annoying, tedious, and boring. Don't worry, they are. Largely by clinging to those outdated class/level-based systems which are built around a constant grind for the bigger/higher/better level and gear.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:47:00 -
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Phill Esteen wrote:Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Godwin's Law hitting in on page 4, not bad.
Though, it was the OP himself - not sure it counts then. it was really an inversion of Godwin's law; rather than "you are like ******", we had "you are like one who compares others to ******" Actually it was pointing out how low a threshold that guy had for hating someone to the point of wishing they weren't human, and the same for the guy who wanted me to wear cement shoes (in other words, the things I've written in this thread warrant me being murdered, and my body not allowed a proper burial.)
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1533
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:54:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:So, the first thing I'd do if EVE hired me is,
Create a task force of devs to help new players with terminal illnesses, such as cancer, AIDS, etc who would like to fly t2 ships, battleships and capital ships, but will die before the TIME required to achieve those goals passes.
Then I'd add a few specialized slots to battleships, so they could have scanners, cloaks, analyzers, tractor beams, salvagers, etc, without sacrificing dps or tank. This would make it worthwhile to actually level up your skills, as opposed to each new ship being exactly like the last one... (tank or dps)
Go take the hobbits to isengard, you son of a frelling goat ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
319
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Posted - 2012.06.12 08:27:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:LOL why should I have to?
Because of Matt Damon!
That's about as seriously as I wish to treat your entitled whine. You leave with nothing, good day sir! Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method |
Bossy Lady
Aliastra Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.06.12 08:29:00 -
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Maxime Entropy wrote:in other words, the things I've written in this thread warrant me being murdered, and my body not allowed a proper burial
I'm struggling to find arguments against your hypothesis.
(in game)
Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M. |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1248
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Posted - 2012.06.12 08:35:00 -
[121] - Quote
Ban OP, gas thread. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Cpt Roghie
13
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:08:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam? LOL why should I have to? Seriously. 2500 meters to loot something... why not 10km. Why not 50km? Why is the arbitrary number so small? What were they trying to achieve? Just make things take more time... FOR WHAT? Besides, if I want a tractor beam, I'd have to sacrifice being able to actually shoot things... JUST TO BE ABLE TO LOOT THEM? Are you insane? Who came up with these ideas?
Not sure if trolling or just incredibly stupid.
Whining about something you could easly fix with a quick dock->fit tractor beam->undock -> warp to wrecks.
Zzzzzzzz.
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Alice Saki
Analog Folk SRS.
112
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:11:00 -
[123] - Quote
I swear this game is just full of idiots now... http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath My Rifter Adventure in Null |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:12:00 -
[124] - Quote
Cpt Roghie wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam? LOL why should I have to? Seriously. 2500 meters to loot something... why not 10km. Why not 50km? Why is the arbitrary number so small? What were they trying to achieve? Just make things take more time... FOR WHAT? Besides, if I want a tractor beam, I'd have to sacrifice being able to actually shoot things... JUST TO BE ABLE TO LOOT THEM? Are you insane? Who came up with these ideas? Not sure if trolling or just incredibly stupid. Whining about something you could easly fix with a quick dock->fit tractor beam->undock -> warp to wrecks. Right we've already established that EVE must be different than every other MMO ever made, and that looting NPCs must be a slow, boring and drawn out process to get other players time to steal your loot. Now let's move on. |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
74
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:56:00 -
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I can appreciate your opinion. I do not agree with it.
In order to train into a Cruiser you need to train to a specific races Frigate skill to a level of IV. What you are asking for is that once you have done that, Frigates become useless. Additionally, once you train Cruisers to IV you train Battleships and Cruisers become obsolete. This is what happens in your idea of skill advancement.
No ship can do it all. All ships are useful. How is that a problem?
Looting is an activity in this game that like all other activities is optional. If you are so upset by the fact that you can't open a cargo container using sophisticated technology that defies the laws of physics then don't bother with it. It really isn't worth the anxiety and frustration you are displaying here.
I run missions quite frequently. After I blow everything up and bookmark a wreck in each room. I dock, turn mission in, jump in the Noctis and skin the buffalo. I choose to do this and never has the thought ever entered my mind that I should not have to do this and that CCP sucks for making me do this and I am going to unsub because I have to do this. I choose to do this.
What you are asking for is to make ships like the Noctis obsolete just so you can feel good. How does that make sense?
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7881
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:24:00 -
[126] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:Right we've already established that EVE must be different than every other MMO ever made, and that looting NPCs must be a slow, boring and drawn out process to get other players time to steal your loot. Now let's move on. No. That's just something you've dreamed up because you don't want to use the many tools and techniques at your disposal and refuse to do it the quick and easy way, and because you cannot conceive of the notion that your choice is at fault so you have to blame the poor innocent game instead.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
223
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:31:00 -
[127] - Quote
Dear CCP
I have a problem in the game, and while you may have provided the tools for me to mitigate this problem myself, I still just want you to change the entire game.
Kind regards
Publord McSelfentitled |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:43:00 -
[128] - Quote
In the next patch, in an effort to be more realistic and to avoid players from being able to escape getting ganked by players, or NPCs, warping is being removed from the game.
However, quicker travel is still possible, by using cyno fields and black ops/carriers.
So, while many player will be affected negatively, the tools and mechanisms are in game to be able to travel from system to system quickly. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7882
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:46:00 -
[129] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote:In the next patch, in an effort to be more realistic and to avoid players from being able to escape getting ganked by players, or NPCs, warping is being removed from the game. No. They already fixed that by no implementing teleportation. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Nirnias Stirrum
Tr0pa de elite. Against ALL Authorities
189
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:48:00 -
[130] - Quote
Maximum Entropy wrote:Someone please tell me any other MMO that makes you spend an HOUR just looting the things you've killed.
As if a popup loot window is SO difficult to program after you shoot something. It may come as a shock to CCP, or Icelanders in general, but spending 10 minutes slowboating to a wreck is not exactly engaging or fun. And having to alt-tab out to the internet every 5 minutes so you don't fall asleep is not very immersive.
Now name a successful MMO that doesn't let you customize the look of your avatar. Oh right, there isn't one. Because people like to customize how they look in a game. (I'm talking about ships)
I've played on and off for 5 years and these 2 things have really grinded my gears. CCP thinks the rules don't apply to them. Well, you like to brag about how everything on EVE is on one server... that's because hardly anyone wants to play your game. And those who do aren't rewarded for actually playing and doing things in the game, because it's all TIME based. (ROFL what a joke)
(You make more money that way.)
If you actually made your gave attractive to the general population instead of a small niche audience, you wouldn't have to have micro transactions because people would gladly pay a subscription.
If only there was some sort of "module" in order to "propel" our ships at an "increased velocity" in order to short the time needed to burn between objects within the eve universe.... alas there is obviously not, nor or their modules that you can use when your not moving to bring objects closer to you.
Now that said, i just want to be clear, im being sarcastic their are modules that do both (The hints are in the quoted words), also, posting to confirm that OP is a moron. Obligatory "Go Back To WoW"
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
423
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:49:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:Wah Wah Wah I'm a complete prick.
Your thread is bollocks, you talk bollocks, go grow some bollocks.
And just to be constructive, go get a Noctis, fit a salvager to your mission ship or get a second account and train that to use a Noctis.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Count Austheim
Raven's Flight Vanguard.
45
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:53:00 -
[132] - Quote
2/10
Since some people took the bait. If this ships a-¦rockin, then im strangling someone....
http://count-austheim.blogspot.com/ |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:57:00 -
[133] - Quote
Cpt Roghie wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam? LOL why should I have to? Seriously. 2500 meters to loot something... why not 10km. Why not 50km? Why is the arbitrary number so small? What were they trying to achieve? Just make things take more time... FOR WHAT? Besides, if I want a tractor beam, I'd have to sacrifice being able to actually shoot things... JUST TO BE ABLE TO LOOT THEM? Are you insane? Who came up with these ideas? Not sure if trolling or just incredibly stupid. ...
I was quite sure he was trolling. But that was before he confirmed he is from Texas. Now i am absolutely sure that... well... he did confirm he is from Texas... i don-¦t think i need to elaborate.
"You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:59:00 -
[134] - Quote
Sebastian N Cain wrote:Cpt Roghie wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam? LOL why should I have to? Seriously. 2500 meters to loot something... why not 10km. Why not 50km? Why is the arbitrary number so small? What were they trying to achieve? Just make things take more time... FOR WHAT? Besides, if I want a tractor beam, I'd have to sacrifice being able to actually shoot things... JUST TO BE ABLE TO LOOT THEM? Are you insane? Who came up with these ideas? Not sure if trolling or just incredibly stupid. ... I was quite sure he was trolling. But that was before he confirmed he is from Texas. Now... well... he did confirm he is from Texas...
They whistle when they say "s" ? brb |
baltec1
1432
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Posted - 2012.06.12 11:02:00 -
[135] - Quote
Maxime Entropy wrote: Right we've already established that EVE must be different than every other MMO ever made, and that looting NPCs must be a slow, boring and drawn out process to get other players time to steal your loot. Now let's move on.
I killed several stormcloaks on skyrim yesterday with my bow and arrows. I had to ******* walk up to their corpses to loot them! This is outrageous, all of their stuff should magically teleport into my pockets! |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1503
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Posted - 2012.06.12 11:03:00 -
[136] - Quote
Thread locked for ranting.
If you would like to suggest or criticize something, please do so in a polite and constructive manner.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Ur235
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.06.12 11:04:00 -
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Dunno bout you but I never loot its far too boring hell I dont even salvage hmm |
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