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Riiekus
Stardust Prospectors
4
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:25:00 -
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100% Canadian Beef Gÿ+ |\_Gÿ+ /_| \ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7866
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:25:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:How it is impractical? Because it costs more than it is worth.
Quote:What you think Hulk pilot can do to avoid getting ganked? Not be worth-while targets.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
227
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:26:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Torneach wrote:The goal of tanking a ship is to make it impractical for a ganker or group of gankers to gank you. Your job is to make it so a ganker has to invest more money than he stands to gain by attacking you. This creates a deterrent.
A tank will fight off the solo Catalyst, and maybe even two. Beyond that, there's no point financially speaking to attempt a gank. How it is impractical? If they want to gank you there's nothing you can do about it. 1+ mil EHP Damnation/Proteus can be alpha'd in few seconds. What you think Hulk pilot can do to avoid getting ganked?
You're obviously trolling, but I'm gonna continue going on anyway.
Yes, with enough firepower, anything can be ganked. But is ganking a Hulk with a handful of Catalysts or a couple of Tornadoes really worth it? The gankers in that situation stand to lose much more than they would gain.
Of course, there are the few who would gank anyway, since they like to do it. But your average ganker is in it because they enjoy it, it is easy, and they stand to make some money. Take away the second and third incentives, and you'll find that most gankers will avoid attacking your ships.
Also, for the OP, read this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119804&find=unread |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:26:00 -
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Riiekus wrote:GÿáGÿáGÿáGÿáGÿáGÿá GÿáGÿáGÿáGÿáGÿáGÿá GÿáGÿáGÿáGÿáGÿáGÿá
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General discussion at work. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because it costs more than it is worth.
It's not about money for all gankers, you know.
Tippia wrote:Not be worth-while targets.
4-5 Catalysts cost what? 50 mil? Not even a big money for nullsec people. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
95
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:29:00 -
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Riiekus wrote:Hey ccp you need to do something about these griefers ganking hulks and mackinaws in ice and ore belts, its taking away the game play .
Yep. You ought to get rid of those people who attack Hulks in high-sec. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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ashley Eoner
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:31:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Because it costs more than it is worth. It's not about money for all gankers, you know. Tippia wrote:Not be worth-while targets. 4-5 Catalysts cost what? 50 mil? Not even a big money for nullsec people. more like under 40m for around 600ish dps ea. |
baltec1
1428
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:34:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:
4-5 Catalysts cost what? 50 mil? Not even a big money for nullsec people.
Why waste 4-5 ships on a single target when you can kill 4-5 and make a profit? |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
You gonna get aped
35
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:36:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Torneach wrote:Take action yourself. You mean "shoot griefer and get your ship destroyed by Concord"?
bribe the gankers to leave you alone Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7867
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:37:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:It's not about money for all gankers, you know. If it isn't, then it's even easier to be an impractical target.
Quote:4-5 Catalysts cost what? 50 mil? Not even a big money for nullsec people. It's still a loss, which is a whole lot less than a gain. This makes you an impractical and not worth-while target.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
927
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:49:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Torneach wrote:Fit a tank. Show me a tanked Hulk that can't be ganked.
Show me a ship that can't be ganked eh |
Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
125
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:51:00 -
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As a miner myself I must say that the gank-fest has reinvigorated the game for me...
I got ganked, several times, AFKing in Hulks...
So I went away... looked at Dot-Lan... found a nice dead end system with few ship kills... PYFA'd up a Hulk with 20K EHP to use when things are quiet... bought a few Covetors to use for max yield during busy times in local... Actively fly my ship during mining activities... keeping an eye on local/dscan... Staying aligned and moving as much as possible... Explored some grav sites for mining...
Its not as fun as PVP which I'm now intent on doing as I'll be moving to Lowsec soon... But its a lot better than the mindless AFK crap I was doing...
Getting blown up is not being griefed... Its a gentle reminder that your doing something wrong...
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
228
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Posted - 2012.06.12 04:54:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Torneach wrote:Fit a tank. Show me a tanked Hulk that can't be ganked.
[Hulk, New Setup 1] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Hornet EC-300 x5 Hobgoblin II x5
Or
[Rokh, New Setup 1 import 1] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script Survey Scanner II
Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Cargohold Optimization I
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
Mine along side an Orca and quit bitching. If you dont have an orca yourself, rumour has it this game has 360,000 accounts, make friends.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:04:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:quit bitching
Your Rokh fit needs T2 mining crystals and extender rigs to be worth it.
Not sure if those small ECM drones can jam destroyer before it's too late. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
521
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:04:00 -
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I both love and hate threads like this. Eve Online: A Bad Game. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2577
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:20:00 -
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Torneach wrote:But your average ganker is in it because they enjoy it, it is easy, and they stand to make some money.
Basically due to unbalanced game mechanics.
There lies the crux of the problem. What used to be a casual once in a while occurrence has now been overly publicized and promoted into a full fledged daily exploit of epidemic proportions.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7868
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:22:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Torneach wrote:But your average ganker is in it because they enjoy it, it is easy, and they stand to make some money. Basically due to unbalanced game mechanics. What's unbalanced about it? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:What's unbalanced about it?
Ganker is protected by Concord so miner can't do anything before ganker clicks Yes. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7868
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:34:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Ganker is protected by Concord so miner can't do anything before ganker clicks Yes. Yes, the rules apply equally to everyone (which, by the way, means the miner can do something). That's balance. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Yes, the rules apply equally to everyone (which, by the way, means the miner can do something). That's balance.
Like sending Hammerhead IIs to attack ganker before gank starts. What happen here is that you will lose your 400 mil ship and ganker gets easy profit without risk. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7868
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:43:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Like sending Hammerhead IIs to attack ganker before gank starts. What happen here is that you will lose your 400 mil ship and ganker gets easy profit without risk. So don't do that, then. Do something that doesn't cost as much, or that lets you use better ships, or something that doesn't automatically generate a loss, or something that just skips the gankers completely, or something that defangs their attack, orGǪ you knowGǪ anything.
The question remains: what's unbalanced about it? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Like sending Hammerhead IIs to attack ganker before gank starts. What happen here is that you will lose your 400 mil ship and ganker gets easy profit without risk. So don't do that, then. Do something that doesn't cost as much, or that lets you use better ships, or something that doesn't automatically generate a loss, or something that just skips the gankers completely, or something that defangs their attack, orGǪ you knowGǪ anything. The question remains: what's unbalanced about it?
It doesn't matter what ship you use Concord will still destroy it if you attack ganker before gank actually starts + 10 seconds for GCC to appear. |
Lord Zim
787
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:48:00 -
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Riiekus wrote:high sec is suppose to be a safe zone Nope. It's supposed to be a safer zone than low or nullsec, it's not supposed to be safe.
Good thing you signed your post, I never would've known who posted it otherwise. |
Qolde
Bombs Away. Nulli Tertius
46
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Do something.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7870
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:49:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:It doesn't matter what ship you use Concord will still destroy it if you attack ganker before gank actually starts + 10 seconds for GCC to appear. Yes? And? (Well, actually, no, since there are several options available to attack them without CONCORD interventionGǪ but still.)
That covers one of the suggested actions you can takeGǪ that leaves roughly eight gazillion others.
It also doesn't answer the question: what's unbalanced about it? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Lord Zim
787
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:50:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Torneach wrote:But your average ganker is in it because they enjoy it, it is easy, and they stand to make some money. Basically due to unbalanced game mechanics. There lies the crux of the problem. What used to be a casual once in a while occurrence has now been overly publicized and promoted into a full fledged daily exploit of epidemic proportions. Nobody's stopping you from utilizing all the various techniques which have been developed over literally all the hulkageddons over the years, which make ganking hulks a much more expensive and hard to execute maneuver. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Yes? And? (Well, actually, no, since there are several options available to attack them without CONCORD interventionGǪ but still.)
That covers one of the suggested actions you can takeGǪ that leaves roughly eight gazillion others.
It also doesn't answer the question: what's unbalanced about it?
Like what? RR?
Lord Zim wrote:Nobody's stopping you from utilizing all the various techniques which have been developed over literally all the hulkageddons over the years, which make ganking hulks a much more expensive and hard to execute maneuver.
Officer mods on Hulk isn't really a good option. There would be over 100% chance you will be ganked. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7871
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:02:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Like what? RR? LikeGǪ Wardecs, killrights, legal attacks on outlaws, warping off, tanking your ship, tanking + rr, pre-spawning CONCORD, arty-blapping them when they attack, ecm, making yourself a low-value target, making yourself a high-cost target. You knowGǪ anything.
Quote:Officer mods on Hulk isn't really a good option. There would be over 100% chance you will be ganked. That's why it has never been offered as a technique to make the gank more expensive and hard to execute. Do you actually read the things you quote before you respond to them, or are you just hoping that they will say something that has any bearing on your response? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Leeha Shouna
Roids and Rats
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:04:00 -
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Riiekus wrote:high sec is suppose to be a safe zone not a worry about whether or not im going to get ganked while trying to mine for my corp. I am so tired see these comments. I dislike the ganking myself, but at same time this is why i LOVE EvE and came back here, the only true hard core game out here!
If people are building up wealth in High Sec, they will become a threat in future or they are helping enemies of these that are behind Hulkageddon for example. This is why they keep doing it, together with being able provide market with ships thremselfs AND the fun factor see all stupid whinning comments on these forums!
Those that are behind hulkageddon just protecting their turf in a way so many of the carebears dont realise... it is a Sandbox, and this is what happens. If someone is allowed build up increadible wealth without being able to be attacked, and gather ships for future battles, of course actions need be taken to reduce a future threat? If this isnt allowed, i guess i will leave this game.
For all that calling them greifers cause they target your charather ingame, there is a hige difference between greifing a player compared to a charather of yours, suck it up!
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Wardecs, killrights
They don't undock or just logoff.
Tippia wrote:legal attacks on outlaws
Sec status grinding is currently so easy they aren't outlaws more than two hours.
Tippia wrote:tanking your ship, tanking + rr
Doesn't work against alpha ganks.
Tippia wrote:pre-spawning CONCORD
Exploit. |
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