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Witcher
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:09:00 -
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Do we want one ? How badly ? :) how skill intensive should it be ? I think it should be super awesome but very skill intensive. To the point that it would require Amarr BS5.
Or maybe introduce missiles launcher subsystem within the framework of t3 bs.
Thoughts ?
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:19:00 -
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Why? Why not "Serpentis Torp BS" and why not "Laser Angel Cartel BS" and... Amarr have the most focused BS line in the game, and that allowed along with some refining 3 very strong performers. Yes, all of those are armor tanked Laser Boats.
Khanid ver II and the Sacrilege have made many ppl wishing for a Khanid BS, the days before the Apoc re-haul. Isn't that a bit out-dated now? Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game! |
Witcher
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:21:00 -
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well, whats wrong with Sac ? awesome ship !
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Leina Kubyeshev
Vengeance Imperium Financial Federal Republic
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:22:00 -
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There have been multiple threads discussing this and the main consensus is that khanid ships should be restricted to t2 like they are currently. If you look it it that way they 1) are 'super awesome' 2) skill intensive. With regards to a khanid BS, I support the idea completely but it would need to be a t2 BS class which obviously would require BS 5 but for this to happen CCP would need to implement t2 BS for the other 3 races. Seeing as there are already 2 classes of t2 BS (marauders and black ops) this would require much thought as to what niche exsists for a third ship.
If no niche exists then I am totally against the idea because a ship without a purpose is hopeless, as has been seen with other 'special' ships CCP has released too quickly and without enough thought (i.e. black ops which have take multiple patches to get barely decent, and will require more to be worth the intensive isk investment).
In another way the khanid slot layout and bonuses has been proposed numerous times as a new race for a new t1 ship class. These ships should not be 'black' as it would water down the khanid flavor which people have trained to hard to achieve with the t2 classes.
A HAM , cap bonus tank bonus prophecy has been proposed multiple times but has been largely shunned as a khanid slot layout , with tank and hams would be probably too powerful for a tier 1 t1 BC.
In conclusion, I think before any new khanid or other subrace ships are implemented the exsisting subrace ships in the t2 category, like the vengeance, need to be fixed (by fixing ) rockets, which CCP is doing soon.
In short, give it time. Who knows.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: fuxinos on 27/10/2009 16:24:15
Originally by: Diomidis Why? Why not "Serpentis Torp BS" and why not "Laser Angel Cartel BS" and... Amarr have the most focused BS line in the game, and that allowed along with some refining 3 very strong performers. Yes, all of those are armor tanked Laser Boats.
Khanid ver II and the Sacrilege have made many ppl wishing for a Khanid BS, the days before the Apoc re-haul. Isn't that a bit out-dated now?
Its a RP element that Amarr have missile boats, not a balancing issue.
Balancing has nothing to do with RP.
And since Khanid ships are always T2, what does it matter how good or bad T1 ships are.
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Dengen Krastinov
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Leina Kubyeshev There have been multiple threads discussing this and the main consensus is that khanid ships should be restricted to t2 like they are currently. If you look it it that way they 1) are 'super awesome' 2) skill intensive. With regards to a khanid BS, I support the idea completely but it would need to be a t2 BS class which obviously would require BS 5 but for this to happen CCP would need to implement t2 BS for the other 3 races. Seeing as there are already 2 classes of t2 BS (marauders and black ops) this would require much thought as to what niche exsists for a third ship.
If no niche exists then I am totally against the idea because a ship without a purpose is hopeless, as has been seen with other 'special' ships CCP has released too quickly and without enough thought (i.e. black ops which have take multiple patches to get barely decent, and will require more to be worth the intensive isk investment).
In another way the khanid slot layout and bonuses has been proposed numerous times as a new race for a new t1 ship class. These ships should not be 'black' as it would water down the khanid flavor which people have trained to hard to achieve with the t2 classes.
A HAM , cap bonus tank bonus prophecy has been proposed multiple times but has been largely shunned as a khanid slot layout , with tank and hams would be probably too powerful for a tier 1 t1 BC.
In conclusion, I think before any new khanid or other subrace ships are implemented the exsisting subrace ships in the t2 category, like the vengeance, need to be fixed (by fixing ) rockets, which CCP is doing soon.
In short, give it time. Who knows.
this sums it up. give ccp time.
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Joe Starbreaker
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:31:00 -
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I can't believe they didn't do this with the black ops. I mean come on, shouldn't the black ops be black?
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Leina Kubyeshev In conclusion, I think before any new khanid or other subrace ships are implemented the exsisting subrace ships in the t2 category, like the vengeance, need to be fixed (by fixing ) rockets, which CCP is doing soon.
where ccp said they will fix rockets?
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos Its a RP element that Amarr have missile boats, not a balancing issue.
Balancing has nothing to do with RP.
And since Khanid ships are always T2, what does it matter how good or bad T1 ships are.
RP wise, Tech I BSs are the backbone of each racial fleet, and of "in-house" R&D. That's why all Amarr BSs are "developed by Amarr Empire" ( :P ) and do not have either drones and/or missiles for roles other than support to their lasers.
Only T2 ships, which are developed by third party affiliates - like Khanid Innovations - have different weapon platforms. With some exceptions like the Arbitrator and the Tormentor, which do state their exception even on their in-game description, Amarr ships are armor tanked laser boats. Period.
RP wise...
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Leina Kubyeshev
Vengeance Imperium Financial Federal Republic
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: 1600 RT
Originally by: Leina Kubyeshev In conclusion, I think before any new khanid or other subrace ships are implemented the exsisting subrace ships in the t2 category, like the vengeance, need to be fixed (by fixing ) rockets, which CCP is doing soon.
where ccp said they will fix rockets?
I'm pretty sure I've heard their 'intent' to fix them MANY times. What I'm not sure about is how they will fix them, only that they eventually will.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:56:00 -
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I would greatly appreciate turning the Prophecy into a T1 Khanid HAM Spewing Monster, and would further appreciate some new T2 Khanid BS.
I know, I know, "but all Khanid is T2!". Yes, but it really sucks to not have a T1 Amarr "missile boat" to practice your Sac skills on. Would a Khanidized Prophecy be OP? Maybe, maybe not. It could certainly be prevented from being so.
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente Fool Mental Junket
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:03:00 -
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could be a good idea, just don't go changing my abaddon or armageddon to do it.
might be nice for tier 4 battleships if the prophecy gets changed too (or a good idea for tier 3 BC)
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Witcher
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Leina Kubyeshev There have been multiple threads discussing this and the main consensus is that khanid ships should be restricted to t2 like they are currently. If you look it it that way they 1) are 'super awesome' 2) skill intensive. With regards to a khanid BS, I support the idea completely but it would need to be a t2 BS class which obviously would require BS 5 but for this to happen CCP would need to implement t2 BS for the other 3 races. Seeing as there are already 2 classes of t2 BS (marauders and black ops) this would require much thought as to what niche exsists for a third ship.
If no niche exists then I am totally against the idea because a ship without a purpose is hopeless, as has been seen with other 'special' ships CCP has released too quickly and without enough thought (i.e. black ops which have take multiple patches to get barely decent, and will require more to be worth the intensive isk investment).
In another way the khanid slot layout and bonuses has been proposed numerous times as a new race for a new t1 ship class. These ships should not be 'black' as it would water down the khanid flavor which people have trained to hard to achieve with the t2 classes.
A HAM , cap bonus tank bonus prophecy has been proposed multiple times but has been largely shunned as a khanid slot layout , with tank and hams would be probably too powerful for a tier 1 t1 BC.
In conclusion, I think before any new khanid or other subrace ships are implemented the exsisting subrace ships in the t2 category, like the vengeance, need to be fixed (by fixing ) rockets, which CCP is doing soon.
In short, give it time. Who knows.
Wel yes and no. Certainly it does take some careful thinking to implement a new ship in game. However mistakes are unvoidable and no SiSi testing would uncover true implications of new ship. Its only when people would fly it some time it would be possible to understand what is wrong with ship, if anything. That is why Black Ops "pre-nerfed", as devs put it back then.
So one should not be afraid to implement new things in game. Otherwise the game is gonna stagnate.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:09:00 -
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My thoughts: Add them as Faction Ships. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.10.27 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Leina Kubyeshev There have been multiple threads discussing this and the main consensus is that khanid ships should be restricted to t2 like they are currently. If you look it it that way they 1) are 'super awesome' 2) skill intensive. With regards to a khanid BS, I support the idea completely but it would need to be a t2 BS class which obviously would require BS 5 but for this to happen CCP would need to implement t2 BS for the other 3 races. Seeing as there are already 2 classes of t2 BS (marauders and black ops) this would require much thought as to what niche exsists for a third ship.
If no niche exists then I am totally against the idea because a ship without a purpose is hopeless, as has been seen with other 'special' ships CCP has released too quickly and without enough thought (i.e. black ops which have take multiple patches to get barely decent, and will require more to be worth the intensive isk investment).
caldari needs a t2 railboat, minmatar needs something versatile, gallente needs a navy domi/kronos hybrid.
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Eli Porter
Amarr Altruism.
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Posted - 2009.10.27 19:33:00 -
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Combat intensive Black Ops maybe? Just like Combat Recons and Force Recons.
Without the jump portal and covert cyno utility, but maintaining some of the cloaked velocity bonus(250% flat?).
Designed around getting near your enemy while cloaked, and then using close range weaponry and vicious tanks to butcher single opponents, and get out+cloak up before backup arrives.
Hyperion hull fits this job perfectly. a Torp Abaddon would also fit, and an AC Maelstrom with extra DPS would also work. Only the Rokh hull wouldn't fit this job, as there aren't any Caldari designers specializing in close range gunnery. Maybe Khanid will help out a Caldari designer in creating a Torp Rokh?
I'd say a ship like that would definitely be worth the extreme price tag.
There's also the Flagships proposition, but with Titans and CS's around I don't see this happening any time soon.
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Avan Sercedos
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.10.27 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Eli Porter Maybe Khanid will help out a Caldari designer in creating a torp laser Rokh?
fyp
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.10.27 22:57:00 -
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The maller and the prophecy could only be improved by turning them over to the khanid.
The BS lineup however is extremely strong and shouldn't be changed. You will have to wait for a new set of t2 BS before you even have a hope of a khanid bs.
Also missile + armor tanking t1 cruiser is an unfilled niche. Missile + armor tanking t1 BC is an unfilled niche. Missile + armor tanking t1 bs is a typhoon.
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Enkilil
Minmatar Carbon Moon Corporation
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Posted - 2009.11.02 00:29:00 -
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I love this idea, but I'm also a dedicated Khanid ship pilot.
It would have to be a torp throwing version of the Sacrilege in a nutshell, fast, good resistances, able to rep quickly, decent cap recharge out of the box. This would be a good idea if they defined a new role for a class of battleships that was a dedicated role (like pvp), one that wasn't filled with squishy soft carebear goodness.
Just saying.
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Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund
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Posted - 2009.11.02 01:30:00 -
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Edited by: Forge Lag on 02/11/2009 01:31:45 This is old topic. CCP could *easily* do it but stubbornly refuses.
If you really really want to, you can get the flying trashcan, just zoom out and pretend. Or fly caldari like every other nub... and like I did, disgusted with the eternal training to get Khanid with nothing along the path... and having Sacrilege lose its shine meanwhile.. and rockets being even worse than before. I would like my Khanid character more, he would have some RP soul to him, I would resub sooner but... meh. As Caldari I will get premium treatment anyway and you Khanid loyalist posers can just rot.
Edit: Also, Assault Optimization sub, lol, losers.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.03 08:58:00 -
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WTB, armor tanking, torp spewing, black Abaddon.
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Ap0ll0n
Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.03 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi WTB, armor tanking, torp spewing, black Abaddon.
Horrible, horrible waste of a good hull..
If anything, we should see a Navy Abaddon..
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.03 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren I would greatly appreciate turning the Prophecy into a T1 Khanid HAM Spewing Monster, and would further appreciate some new T2 Khanid BS.
I know, I know, "but all Khanid is T2!". Yes, but it really sucks to not have a T1 Amarr "missile boat" to practice your Sac skills on. Would a Khanidized Prophecy be OP? Maybe, maybe not. It could certainly be prevented from being so.
-Liang
This. Missile Prophecy would be great.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.03 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 03/11/2009 11:00:19
T2 Torpabaddon... |
Psiri
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Posted - 2009.11.03 11:04:00 -
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Sure, a missile Prophecy could be an interesting way of introducing more Khanid ships into EVE and redefining a ship that's currently quite weak. I think that missile users would be happy to see a tier 1 missile BC aswell. |
Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.11.04 07:22:00 -
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Heavy Fleet Command Ships would work, DPS of Black Ops and tank of Marauders. Basically BSify the Damnation, Claymore, etc.
Although to be honest I think the Redeemer should be a Khanid ship.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Spaztick
Terminal Impact Kairakau
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Posted - 2009.11.04 07:45:00 -
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I'm surprised they made the redeemer a vizian ship instead of khanid.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.04 08:09:00 -
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Seems like an old idea. The stats look unfinished but the ship looks damn sexy
Khanid BS
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Asuka Smith
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.11.04 08:30:00 -
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I like idea of a BS sized command ship/RR ship, and then refocus the BC sized command ships on BOTH being meant as fast PVP ships with different tanks. Astarte is blasters, Eos is Ogres. Vulture is rails or blasters, nighthawk is HM or HAM, etc. But redo them so they are actually quality PVP vessels with command bonuses meant for a roaming gang. Whereas a command BS would be meant as more of a fleet support unit.
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Taradis
Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.04 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Liang Nuren I would greatly appreciate turning the Prophecy into a T1 Khanid HAM Spewing Monster, and would further appreciate some new T2 Khanid BS.
I know, I know, "but all Khanid is T2!". Yes, but it really sucks to not have a T1 Amarr "missile boat" to practice your Sac skills on. Would a Khanidized Prophecy be OP? Maybe, maybe not. It could certainly be prevented from being so.
-Liang
This. Missile Prophecy would be great.
It's called a Damnation and it's black and fires HAMS and has an uber tank along wit cupholders and an in Pod dvd player
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