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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2009.10.29 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Raw Yard The problem with plexes that have to be moved via ship is that people PAY for their plexes, seem fair to have the person who payed 30$ for the plexes loses them in a matter of seconds to another player. This also goes with the anti-plex scam group.
While true, what is the different in:
Buying a GTC and converting it to 2 plexes, undocking and getting blown up with them in the cargo
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Buying a GTC and converting it to 2 plexes, selling them, using the ISK to buy stuff and getting that blown up?
Either way you are out $30...
The difference: an aditional step. Another layer between your money and the loss, an aditional mistake to be made. We could say as well: What's the difference between buying a GTC and converting it to 2 plexes, being scammed out of them and being scammed by a street scammer? On this basis, scamming should be forbiden in eve since either way you are out of 30$ (it's the same with your reasoning) and RL scamming is against the law. I think not.
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.10.29 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
That was my first thought weeks ago when I saw it, but... it is not for moving. They have restricted the station where you can redeem it to the one from where you unredeemed them. That combined with the text that says it is for out of game purposes makes me sure that they will not use them for that.
That re-enforces what I first thought, then. It's a method for turning PLEX back into a GTC, removing the "Can you re-activate my alt for 1 day so I can buy a plex, pretty please????" petitions. ----------------
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2009.10.29 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
That was my first thought weeks ago when I saw it, but... it is not for moving. They have restricted the station where you can redeem it to the one from where you unredeemed them. That combined with the text that says it is for out of game purposes makes me sure that they will not use them for that.
That re-enforces what I first thought, then. It's a method for turning PLEX back into a GTC, removing the "Can you re-activate my alt for 1 day so I can buy a plex, pretty please????" petitions.
Yeah, it's probably a way so you can use the GTC to activate the account without having to be in the game first. On another note, I also have an annoying sig.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2009.10.29 20:04:00 -
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They would lose revenue if you sold the is for cash instead of them selling extra subscriptions for cash and allowing those in turn to be sold for isk.
If every one of those monthly subscriptions was used instead of what would have otherwise been a cash paid account, you'd be technically right (as pointed out by others, there are a whole lot of other legal issues and accentuated incentives for hacking accounts etc which do cost ccp real employee time and lost subscriptions from the bother around that sort of thing).
I think, though, that a large percentage of the plexes bought buy incremental alt accounts that wouldn't have been purchased otherwise. I think they feel that many are used retaining players who finacially can't afford it at a given time but may start paying $ again when they might be working more but have less time to play and make isk. They probably also feel that the isk for plex crowd might be people who can hold on to a subscription they would otherwise cancel for loss of interest due to a isk stock pile, which would make it easier for them to get back interested in the game to a point where they'd rather pay to play again and use the isk on ships. Some of those buying plexes with isk might use them to get friends into the game beyond the 14 day trial...creating a marketing advantage.
In general, another player probably only costs them an extra dollar or two in bandwith and variable costs, with most of the revenue being used on overhead and development costs that wouldn't go up with an incremental player . They proably feel that an extra player costing them $1 month might be a good marketing expenditure for the odds that the player would get another person interested in the game as paying player.
Long and short, allowing people to sell isk for cash would reduce plex sales which would net less total paid subscriptions sold.
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Sytoru Hiroshyma
In Vitro.
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Posted - 2009.10.29 23:14:00 -
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Alternatively it could just be an extension of the idea that they trialled with this years fan-fest. By allowing a plex to be brought out of game then it vastly simplifies the redeeming of 5 for a ticket.
Okay, the idea can then be taken further with other items offered for trade. "PLEX only" editions of items, for example.
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zacuis
Great Big Research
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Posted - 2009.10.31 22:40:00 -
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im bumping this thread cos I'd very much like to get a dev response on what this is all about. i really hope this will mean we can spend plex in the eve shop cos alot of people will be getting eve t shirts for Xmas this year if its true lol.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2009.10.31 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 31/10/2009 22:55:57
Originally by: zacuis im bumping this thread cos I'd very much like to get a dev response on what this is all about. i really hope this will mean we can spend plex in the eve shop cos alot of people will be getting eve t shirts for Xmas this year if its true lol.
Try on the test server forum. You certainly will not get any dev reply here.
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AsheraII
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Posted - 2009.11.01 00:19:00 -
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My bet would be on tieing plexes to DUST as well.
Plex > rl money is definitely a no-go area, since it would make EVE an illegal game in half the world. And no, I'm not making it sound worse than it is. Remember the in-game lotteries some people are so fond of? The legit scamming? The plans to add some small gambling games when we get to walk through stations? The ability to convert ISK back into rl money would basically mean that people can gamble with rl money, making this game illegal in most US states, half of Western Europe, Australia, Japan and all of the former Warsaw Pact countries. Buying a t-shirt for Plex is probably already a slippery legal path in some countries, given the potential source of the plex.
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2009.11.02 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Julius Rigel on 02/11/2009 00:52:38
Originally by: Spectre Wraith It'd be nice if it was put in for little things like portrait switches or other account related features.
I'd wee my pants! I could finally do all those little things that people with real life money have been able to do for years!
Edit: What the? Profanity filter...
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.02 01:09:00 -
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Feature I would like.
Trade PLEX for a skill - remap.
Let me trade skill points I don't need into skills I want. You would also have to buy any new skills too.
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Xetal Maelstrom
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Posted - 2009.11.02 01:34:00 -
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Quote: Feature I would like.
Trade PLEX for a skill - remap.
Let me trade skill points I don't need into skills I want. You would also have to buy any new skills too.
Or at least be able to burn a PLEx for a "skillpoint booster", double speed training for so many skillpoints or for so long.
There have been times when I was in enough of a rush to burn a PLEx on something like that.
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Ashina Sito
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.11.02 02:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ashina Sito on 02/11/2009 02:37:08
Originally by: Lui Kai
That re-enforces what I first thought, then. It's a method for turning PLEX back into a GTC, removing the "Can you re-activate my alt for 1 day so I can buy a plex, pretty please????" petitions.
I have this issue as one of the planks on my CSM platform. An easier way of handling this would be to simply allow the activation of PLEX from the Eve-O boards.
It's strange posting in the MD forum while not on my MD forum alt....
Edit: Doh! forgot the CSM candidate link. Linkage
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.11.02 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ashina Sito
I have this issue as one of the planks on my CSM platform. An easier way of handling this would be to simply allow the activation of PLEX from the Eve-O website.
This would only work if the inactive character already had a plex sitting somewhere. Most don't. ----------------
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rubico1337
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.02 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Xetal Maelstrom
Quote: Feature I would like.
Trade PLEX for a skill - remap.
Let me trade skill points I don't need into skills I want. You would also have to buy any new skills too.
Or at least be able to burn a PLEx for a "skillpoint booster", double speed training for so many skillpoints or for so long.
There have been times when I was in enough of a rush to burn a PLEx on something like that.
this is a very very terrible game imblancing idea
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.11.02 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: rubico1337
Originally by: Xetal Maelstrom
Quote: Feature I would like.
Trade PLEX for a skill - remap.
Let me trade skill points I don't need into skills I want. You would also have to buy any new skills too.
Or at least be able to burn a PLEx for a "skillpoint booster", double speed training for so many skillpoints or for so long.
There have been times when I was in enough of a rush to burn a PLEx on something like that.
this is a very very terrible game imblancing idea
This. While the remap would be reasonable, an SP booster just for people richer / willing to spend RL $? No thanks. -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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Carniflex
Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.11.02 11:34:00 -
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If I would need to speculate (what I do) I would say you can turn your 2x PLEX back into 'timecard' what you can sell thru EVE forums or send to one of your inactive accounts for 1 isk.
I do not think you can 'use' it to buy for example T-Shirt from EVE store same as you currently can not do it with the timecards in system at the moment.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2009.11.07 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 07/11/2009 17:11:46 Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 07/11/2009 17:10:48
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Raw Yard The problem with plexes that have to be moved via ship is that people PAY for their plexes, seem fair to have the person who payed 30$ for the plexes loses them in a matter of seconds to another player. This also goes with the anti-plex scam group.
While true, what is the different in:
Buying a GTC and converting it to 2 plexes, undocking and getting blown up with them in the cargo
OR
Buying a GTC and converting it to 2 plexes, selling them, using the ISK to buy stuff and getting that blown up?
Either way you are out $30...
True,
However the difference is you are paying real money for the "Plex" not for any of the other items. For PLEX's to be destroyable in terms of suicide ganking would make the whole process ridiuclous. Not many people would buy a plex at all, it wouldn't be fair for something that you paid real money for on and in game item to be destroyed or stolen, however if you sell that for ingame cash its different.
Its hard to say but you pay specifically for that item with real money. If you redeem it for more ISK, that ISK has no real monetary value.
My honest opinion is they should scrap in game selling of plexes and have a market window on account management so that people don't suffer this awkward situation of sacrificing their time to fly to jita or another big trade hub to get a successful sale. Something more advanced that the forum section to sell plexs.
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Marie''Curie
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Posted - 2009.11.07 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Signore Kaeota
Originally by: rubico1337
Originally by: Xetal Maelstrom
Quote: Feature I would like.
Trade PLEX for a skill - remap.
Let me trade skill points I don't need into skills I want. You would also have to buy any new skills too.
Or at least be able to burn a PLEx for a "skillpoint booster", double speed training for so many skillpoints or for so long.
There have been times when I was in enough of a rush to burn a PLEx on something like that.
this is a very very terrible game imblancing idea
This. While the remap would be reasonable, an SP booster just for people richer / willing to spend RL $? No thanks.
It is ok to buy a 10mil sp character for around 3bil isk or 10 plexes. So why not allow us to redeem a plex for, let's say, 1 mil sp, to be injected on our char. How would that be any different, or imbalance the game? Richer people can go ahead and buy a 50mil sp toon. Us, not so rich, could inject an extra 1mil sp for a plex.
The effect is the same: redeem a plex for 30 days of gameplay and train skills for 30 days OR redeem a plex for the skills and eliminate the pointless wait time. And the game would be more balanced, since younger toons would skill up faster and be closer to the older ones.
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.07 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Marie''Curie
It is ok to buy a 10mil sp character for around 3bil isk or 10 plexes. So why not allow us to redeem a plex for, let's say, 1 mil sp, to be injected on our char. How would that be any different, or imbalance the game? Richer people can go ahead and buy a 50mil sp toon. Us, not so rich, could inject an extra 1mil sp for a plex.
The effect is the same: redeem a plex for 30 days of gameplay and train skills for 30 days OR redeem a plex for the skills and eliminate the pointless wait time. And the game would be more balanced, since younger toons would skill up faster and be closer to the older ones.
I guess this would be the end of the game. Many of the player would leave the game after this would happen.
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