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Alfons Richthofen
Caldari Die Luftwaffe
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Posted - 2009.10.30 08:06:00 -
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They are a joke. Putting three small Ion blasters on a Vengeance assault (WITHOUT faction ammo) ship deals more damage than putting four Tech II rocket launchers WITH faction ammo.
Right now putting three blasters/lasers and a rocket launcher is better regardless of the bonuses, hell even projectiles do relatively the same damage. Please either change the ship into a laser/hybrid gunship or increase the viability of rocket launchers.
Changing it into a Hybrid gunship would be more believable because the Khanid Innovation ship designs are always working towards mixing Caldari and Amarr systems, and one of the Caldari specializations are in Hybrids (The Rokh, Eagle, Harpy etc). Although still not completely true because they tend to favor missiles.
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Sith LordX
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Posted - 2009.10.30 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Alfons Richthofen They are a joke. Putting three small Ion blasters on a Vengeance assault (WITHOUT faction ammo) ship deals more damage than putting four Tech II rocket launchers WITH faction ammo.
Right now putting three blasters/lasers and a rocket launcher is better regardless of the bonuses, hell even projectiles do relatively the same damage. Please either change the ship into a laser/hybrid gunship or increase the viability of rocket launchers.
Changing it into a Hybrid gunship would be more believable because the Khanid Innovation ship designs are always working towards mixing Caldari and Amarr systems, and one of the Caldari specializations are in Hybrids (The Rokh, Eagle, Harpy etc). Although still not completely true because they tend to favor missiles.
Thats only true because rockets are currently broken and need a dire boost, big time. Instead of a ab bonus it need a rate of fire bonus too. So it has identical bonuses to that if its bigger brother the sac.
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Alfons Richthofen
Caldari Die Luftwaffe
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Posted - 2009.10.30 11:01:00 -
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Yeah but when will CCP realize this? Seven years from now after we can walk on planets?
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Bayram Blacklion
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Posted - 2009.10.30 11:44:00 -
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yeah i fly the vengeance with 3 125mm auto's and still get more dps then with rockets (not to mention that i have better missiles skills than gunnery ) so yeah ccp should get their behinds moving and those brains cooking :)
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Kun Kun
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Posted - 2009.10.30 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kun Kun on 30/10/2009 13:26:18 Either boost rocket damage, or change what the Vengeance gets a bonus to. If rockets are not suppose to be a primary weapon system, don't give a combat-oriented ship a bonus to them. Change it to standard rockets or something.
I can understand a non-combat ship, like a covert ops ship, getting bonuses to rockets (Anathema). It isn't really going to fight anything, the weapon bonuses it gets don't really matter. But the Vengeance is an ASSAULT frigate. Doesn't that sound fairly combat-oriented to you?
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Alfons Richthofen
Caldari Die Luftwaffe
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Posted - 2009.10.31 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kun Kun Edited by: Kun Kun on 30/10/2009 13:26:18 Either boost rocket damage, or change what the Vengeance gets a bonus to. If rockets are not suppose to be a primary weapon system, don't give a combat-oriented ship a bonus to them. Change it to standard rockets or something.
I can understand a non-combat ship, like a covert ops ship, getting bonuses to rockets (Anathema). It isn't really going to fight anything, the weapon bonuses it gets don't really matter. But the Vengeance is an ASSAULT frigate. Doesn't that sound fairly combat-oriented to you?
Standard rockets!? The Vengeance is my favorite assault ship due to it's massive frigate tank and up-close-and-personal weapons systems and tackle. I won't have it if they implement standard, even lower dps weapons on the Vengeance.
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Kun Kun
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Posted - 2009.10.31 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Alfons Richthofen
Originally by: Kun Kun Edited by: Kun Kun on 30/10/2009 13:26:18 Either boost rocket damage, or change what the Vengeance gets a bonus to. If rockets are not suppose to be a primary weapon system, don't give a combat-oriented ship a bonus to them. Change it to standard rockets or something.
I can understand a non-combat ship, like a covert ops ship, getting bonuses to rockets (Anathema). It isn't really going to fight anything, the weapon bonuses it gets don't really matter. But the Vengeance is an ASSAULT frigate. Doesn't that sound fairly combat-oriented to you?
Standard rockets!? The Vengeance is my favorite assault ship due to it's massive frigate tank and up-close-and-personal weapons systems and tackle. I won't have it if they implement standard, even lower dps weapons on the Vengeance.
It doesn't have to be standard missiles. I would just like it if the Vengeance didn't do complete **** for damage.
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Alfons Richthofen
Caldari Die Luftwaffe
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Posted - 2009.10.31 20:51:00 -
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Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. It should be a close ranged ship with considerable damage, at least 100% more than it has at the moment.
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Iman Atheist
Gangrel Mining and Security Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.11.04 23:32:00 -
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I agree completely.
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Pan Dora
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.05 00:23:00 -
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Can I have a laser hawk too? _
I like to play this game because it make my in-game actions and archievments to mean something in-game. |
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Tyson Gallane
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.11.05 13:42:00 -
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You certainly can have a laser Hawk if you wish. It has two turret slots. Don't expect it to be better than a missile Hawk though.
The point here is that the Vengeance really is better with just about any weapon other than the one it is designed to carry.
T.
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Flaming Butterfly
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Posted - 2009.11.05 17:01:00 -
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rockets are borked and no amount of ship bonuses are going to fix it, unless CCP puts in 25% damage bonus for just the retribution/malediction so the ships are worth rocket fitting. dual light pulse II's run better on a ship really "spec'd" for rockets. If Retribution had missile bonus as well instead of being gimped to being so close you can tell another pilots' religion, would open up some options.
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Xonus Calimar
Terra Incognita
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Posted - 2009.11.06 14:36:00 -
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Bump, because I care.
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el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.11.06 15:09:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1209391
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