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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.03 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 03/11/2009 07:46:09
Originally by: Kail Storm Wait so 3x the tank is meh??? Its got the DPS of a BC and ability to disengage [with ecm drones] the Tank of a way powerful BC but the agility and speed of a cruiser and its just meh???
Guys buy faction ships and get 15% more dps and tank and pay 5 times that and you are getting a 25% DPS bonus and a 300% tank bonus and its meh? I think its wonderful. Also this cant be the full gank fit since I have seen them do 650 dps realiably without "Failfitting" also 100k ehp is pretty ez
for me it's not cost effective.
I'd prefer to use a brutix instead, since you can afford to lose that ship like 100x before you go skint vs the cost of a single T2 fitted proteus, which considering the nature of such setup it will happen. Blaster setups die quite easily, active, passive or buffer tanked, due to the ranges they operate in. Factor in the fact that everyone will want a T3 kill and it'll be more effective to use a bullseye. Also, ECM drones are not that great. sure they are a nice getaway card, when you're lucky enough for them to work.
until such blaster proteous configs brings something diferent to the equation, besides making them last 30 seconds instead 10 when under fire, they are pretty much neutered ships with operability ranges no longer than a wet pogo stick cut in half.
anyways, thought exercise here only. Tengu has more possible configurations and can be used in a much larger variety of situations than the proteus.
oh and 650dps should probably be with faction AM. I've used null ammo wich can be used in a larger variety of situations than AM, due to the range bonuses.
oh and yes, behold my 100k EHP, 660dps proteus with the agility of a fat cow and the speed of a half baked snail.
FYI, a 1600 plated proteus will reach that mark for sure, but you're looking at 1.1km speeds and an alignment time bordering the 10.5secs with mwd on (7.7secs with mwd off).
quite stellar performance indeed. It still aligns faster than a brutix with mwd on (12 secs, 8.7secs with mwd off), and at least I got my 660dps right?
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.11.03 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: EFT Worrier on 03/11/2009 09:45:48
Originally by: Jojo Jackson Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 03/11/2009 03:23:15
Originally by: EFT Worrier What is really obscene is that the Legion can get 200m3 dronebay + 100mbit drones on top of 50% bonused nos/neut amount. Compared to the Proteus' 125m3/100mbit.
So much for Gallente being the drone specialist race?
Erm, what? Last I checked max posible is 50/200 for Legion when using the Drone Synthesis Projector Offensive Modul. There are no other moduls for the Legion with band or drone cargo.
The info on EVE wiki says 200m3 dronebay, 50% (ie: 100mbit) bandwidth.
...which if true, means Amarr got the better T3 droneboat. Notwithstanding the fact that 100mbit for a T3 ship specialising in drones sucks.
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N Ano
Caldari Zerg Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.03 09:50:00 -
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Didnt read the whole thread but it should be able to have 125mb bandwith and the damage capabilites of the isthar
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.03 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: EFT Worrier The info on EVE wiki for the Legion says 200m3 dronebay, 50% (ie: 100mbit) bandwidth.
It's 50Mbit — bandwidth isn't measured in percent (or, m¦, which is what you'd get if you used the drone bay size as your basis). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Redora
Gallente Universal Exports
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Posted - 2009.11.03 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Redora on 03/11/2009 11:20:34 Edited by: Redora on 03/11/2009 11:19:03
Originally by: Jojo Jackson
Originally by: EFT Worrier Edited by: EFT Worrier on 03/11/2009 10:04:06
Originally by: EFT Worrier What is really obscene is that the Legion can get 200m3 dronebay + 100mbit drones on top of 50% bonused nos/neut amount. Compared to the Proteus' 125m3/100mbit.
So much for Gallente being the drone specialist race?
Erm, what? Last I checked max posible is 50/200 for Legion when using the Drone Synthesis Projector Offensive Modul. There are no other moduls for the Legion with band or drone cargo.
The info on EVE wiki for the Legion says 200m3 dronebay, 50% (ie: 100mbit) bandwidth.
...which if true, means Amarr got the better T3 droneboat, which makes the Proteus look even crappier. Notwithstanding the fact that 100mbit for a T3 ship (supposedly) specialising in drones sucks.
According to EFT and every online resource I can find, the Legion's "Drone Synthesis Projector" has 200m3 drone bay with 50 mbit bandwidth.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2009.11.03 11:40:00 -
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i agree that the no config on the proteus should be without drones.
As to the 125 drone bandwidith debate:
The ishtar and domi are the drone boats and recive a full 125, with 3 and 6 bonused guns respectivly.
A zealot has two guns bonuses and 5 guns. A Deimos double dmg bonuses and 5 guns. A vaga double bonuses and 5 guns. The T3's get either a single bonuses with double strength or two bonuses, with the option of adding an additional gun with the engineering sub, putting them ahead of their HAC relatives.
One side of people say "the proteus should not get 125 because it would be as effective as a ishtar with drones and we cant have that" (minus the additional drone control range). This view is just plain dumb, why would that matter at all when the other 3 races get equal or more than the HAC, so why owuld it be any different for drones?
Therefore adding 25m drone bandwidth to all proteus builds would give the no drone farse fit some drones and top out the drone specific config with a full 125m of drone usage. Clearly stil fair and ballenced.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.11.03 11:56:00 -
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Shouldnt the Loki suck no matter how you fit it because it has dual focus - just because its Minmatar.
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.11.03 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
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Naturally it's light years from being cost-effective. Hell, flying CS is more cost-effective when you look at it. Sure, less tank on some (eg. Astarte) but vastly more DPS and about 1/4th the price.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.03 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Grimpak
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Naturally it's light years from being cost-effective. Hell, flying CS is more cost-effective when you look at it. Sure, less tank on some (eg. Astarte) but vastly more DPS and about 1/4th the price.
so what's the point of it? pimp rights? ability to lose a ****in' expensive ship? ---
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Kail Storm
Caldari Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.11.03 17:07:00 -
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so what's the point of it? pimp rights? ability to lose a ****in' expensive ship?
Grim I used to think that until one day I was stuck in my SB on the LoSec side of Tama [my losec home where POS was] and watched I believe it was Beyond divinity guys in a small Cruiser/BC gang.
They just gate camped, but were being very choosey with there targets and I was curious as to why, well in 30 mins they had a Ham Legion-and a Prot tear up the gate, it was very impressive. They killed crops of ships, everything from Frigs,Hacs to CS`s.
So the tactics with T3`s are similiar get in a small gatecamp and pick targets wisely and let the ones go [since they are cloaked and see a T3 and multiple cruiser/BC`s etc] That will make problems for you. I agree they are somewhat risky to fly but if you have a good smaller band of trustworthy pilots that center there forces around the T3`s they become whole next level killing machines.
Simply the speed they can close range in is amazing. With you 66k tank you had a cruiser speed ship that was a brutis power...To me its simply amazing. sO get in range fast as hell and start to do blow for blow and you will see what I mean with a little support, If you get into troubleyou have your ECM support attack them, and launch your ecm drones, I know you said ECM drones arent effective but I think thats not true at all, hell it has like 25% chance of jamming a drake per cycle.
Basically that 66k prot does same or more dmg than drake, is way faster to outrun scram aligns way faster, and has almost same tank. ITS A BEAST, you just have to fight with options of escape, whether it corpmates whoi will sacrafice a ship loss[that youll cover] or ECM support, or just plain 10 Cruiser/BC primaring the ship giving you trouble.
If you do these things and understand yes its expensive, but yes its edge over a Bruti is HUGE cause u can disengage ...Its totally worth it if you can afford one to began with. [450-550mil] If you run, You`ll only die tired :) |
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Letifer Deus
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.04 02:37:00 -
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3x mag stab proteus is fail. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
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