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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.11.02 06:08:00 -
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Recently suicide ganking has taken a very rapid growth in popularity, not only do people do it for lol's there is money to be made as well!
To all the people out there who have taken this on as a profession how do you go about this?
My idea below :
Have a scout 1 jump out to scan incoming haulers for valuables and if they have a tank, on the gate you wish to gank you need a hauler, fast one with mwd.
Now what ships is this doable in with instant gate guns in a 0.5 system and if concord is there do they instajam, neut etc or can u get a few shots off?
Do u need to alpha it?
Guns or rack of smartbombs with cap boosters?
Will torps with duel tp instapop an untanked hauler?
Say he has 100 items, worth a total of 1bil, is there some kind of math to calculate the chance of it dropping?
Any help, tips or other ideas would be helpful
Cheers, Gib
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Daquaris
I.M.M Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.02 06:18:00 -
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What we were doing:
I'd fly my noob corp alt up next to them, start mining in an ibis or a navitas. Meanwhile scan out the hulk's fit. Maybe make some conversation, ask for help hauling my ore, etc (when the fleet's taking forever) while I relay the information to the fleet.
Fleet warps 3 dessies in on me (or whomever the designated alt is) and it's pretty much over from there.
Do not need to alpha it in the belts, and, with 3-4 dessies, it didn't seem to matter enough at the gates either. Solo, I don't know.
Drops are more or less random.
The above example's about hulks, but, it's not a bad idea to cargo and ship scan your target.
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Rugose
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Posted - 2009.11.02 12:15:00 -
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RUUUUUGOSE
RUGOSE say that if you want to make the real benjamins suicide ganking at gates then use battleship with buffer to last extra fleeting moment and use highest alpha weapon with 4x damage modification!
RUGOSE say that find pipe with many hauler and survey for couple days to see which hauler man make regular trips. As you do this keep note of all regular trip hauler man that carry good ****. Always look at this hauler man cargo because if carry good **** regular might carry super **** every now and again.
RUGOSE also say communication important.
RUUUUUUGOSE!
Rugose. I AM BOTH SQUAMOUS AND RUGOSE |
Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.11.02 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rugose RUUUUUGOSE
RUGOSE say that if you want to make the real benjamins suicide ganking at gates then use battleship with buffer to last extra fleeting moment and use highest alpha weapon with 4x damage modification!
RUGOSE say that find pipe with many hauler and survey for couple days to see which hauler man make regular trips. As you do this keep note of all regular trip hauler man that carry good ****. Always look at this hauler man cargo because if carry good **** regular might carry super **** every now and again.
RUGOSE also say communication important.
RUUUUUUGOSE!
Rugose.
Bad english? ******ed? troll? go somewhere else.
Anyone else like to enlighten me on ships to use and how long will it live etc, fits would be nice aswell :)
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives Beer and Smoke Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.02 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbo3771
Originally by: Rugose RUUUUUGOSE
RUGOSE say that if you want to make the real benjamins suicide ganking at gates then use battleship with buffer to last extra fleeting moment and use highest alpha weapon with 4x damage modification!
RUGOSE say that find pipe with many hauler and survey for couple days to see which hauler man make regular trips. As you do this keep note of all regular trip hauler man that carry good ****. Always look at this hauler man cargo because if carry good **** regular might carry super **** every now and again.
RUGOSE also say communication important.
RUUUUUUGOSE!
Rugose.
Bad english? ******ed? troll? go somewhere else.
Anyone else like to enlighten me on ships to use and how long will it live etc, fits would be nice aswell :)
He is giving you nuggets of gold there, pity you're a bit too blinkered to see it
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Daquaris
I.M.M Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.02 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbo3771
Originally by: Rugose RUUUUUGOSE
RUGOSE say that if you want to make the real benjamins suicide ganking at gates then use battleship with buffer to last extra fleeting moment and use highest alpha weapon with 4x damage modification!
RUGOSE say that find pipe with many hauler and survey for couple days to see which hauler man make regular trips. As you do this keep note of all regular trip hauler man that carry good ****. Always look at this hauler man cargo because if carry good **** regular might carry super **** every now and again.
RUGOSE also say communication important.
RUUUUUUGOSE!
Rugose.
Bad english? ******ed? troll? go somewhere else.
Anyone else like to enlighten me on ships to use and how long will it live etc, fits would be nice aswell :)
TBH, try it a couple times. You don't have to use a BS to test reaction times / survival time.
Insure your ship, just hit random crap while you get it down.
You won't be out much.
Fits are pretty simple... maximum damage... Navy ammo, overheat, the most expensive guns you're willing to spring for (assuming nothing drops).
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Klausan
Cool Ninjas of Awesome Ownage
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:17:00 -
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Concord recently received a large boost to response times, and now you can only get 1 volley from BS in 0.5 system. Suicide ganking had a good run but its impossible nowdays, you guys should try 0.0 ratting, its far more profitable.
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Daquaris
I.M.M Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Klausan Concord recently received a large boost to response times, and now you can only get 1 volley from BS in 0.5 system. Suicide ganking had a good run but its impossible nowdays, you guys should try 0.0 ratting, its far more profitable.
Completely untrue, unless your BS only fires once every 15 - 18 seconds.
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Urn Keller
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Posted - 2009.11.02 20:51:00 -
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At a gate, if concord is already present, you'll get a single volley. With my main's low skills I can get an alpha of 1100 out of a destroyer. A BC can take out most haulers. Cargo expanders help you there. Volley damage is where it's at. Hurricane with artillery and tons of gyros, Brutix with neutron blasters and 4 MFS... Don't forget sensor boosters, cargo scanner and if you can ship scanner.
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Ashley Sky
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.11.02 21:28:00 -
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Suicide ganking is a last resort, and usually requires too much waiting. It's much more beneficial to simply place an alt in the corp of the person you're trying to gank and do it the traditional way, that way you know when their mining ops are, or when they are cruising about in their hauler.
Also with no sec status loss, it makes it easier to do again.
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Urn Keller
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Posted - 2009.11.02 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ashley Sky Suicide ganking is a last resort, and usually requires too much waiting. It's much more beneficial to simply place an alt in the corp of the person you're trying to gank and do it the traditional way, that way you know when their mining ops are, or when they are cruising about in their hauler.
You presume the ganker cares who he's ganking. I just want loot. I don't care what corp the idiot moving a full set of +5 implants in an Ibis belongs to.
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Ashley Sky
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.11.02 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Urn Keller
You presume the ganker cares who he's ganking. I just want loot. I don't care what corp the idiot moving a full set of +5 implants in an Ibis belongs to.
It makes me hurt to think about how many ships you've scanned in vain for your silly little greed fetish. I don't care about silly things like loot, and I prefer the transporter to be wearing the implants when I pod him. :)
Actually I've suicide podded players simply because they had an '03 born on stamp and had a "good feeling" about their implants.
But trust me when I say, I've suicided dozens of people and I prefer to get to know them now before I do it. It's so much more satisfying. The loot really doesn't matter to me.
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Nyxster
Gallente Gatecrashers
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Posted - 2009.11.02 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ashley Sky
Originally by: Urn Keller
You presume the ganker cares who he's ganking. I just want loot. I don't care what corp the idiot moving a full set of +5 implants in an Ibis belongs to.
It makes me hurt to think about how many ships you've scanned in vain for your silly little greed fetish. I don't care about silly things like loot, and I prefer the transporter to be wearing the implants when I pod him. :)
Actually I've suicide podded players simply because they had an '03 born on stamp and had a "good feeling" about their implants.
But trust me when I say, I've suicided dozens of people and I prefer to get to know them now before I do it. It's so much more satisfying. The loot really doesn't matter to me.
We're with this guy. generally a raven with 4 x EMP and 4 x Notos Smarties is enough to wipe out any shuttles and pods in the blast radius. one of our boys scored a double kill of 2 shuttles plus pod.
No loot, but epic tears - as with Ashley the sheer terror, violation and emo it causes to put someone in a clone in a 1.0 system is worth the huge sec hit. loot, meh.
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.11.03 10:33:00 -
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Well the crew I can get together to do this is basically the setup I listed earlier, Raven pilot (smarties on warp in? or torps on other side?) with impel hauler and 1 scout scannin incmoing haulers.
Would a raven with 4 T2 ballistics and T2 torps with duel maybe triple target painters work?
Ive been in 0.0 fleets and seen SB's instapop haulers after i tackle the ****er, but those have a huge boost to volley dmg...would a raven do the same effect, also the rof is around 6 seconds so 2 volleys possible?
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Benedict Carol
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Posted - 2009.11.03 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ashley Sky
Originally by: Urn Keller
You presume the ganker cares who he's ganking. I just want loot. I don't care what corp the idiot moving a full set of +5 implants in an Ibis belongs to.
It makes me hurt to think about how many ships you've scanned in vain for your silly little greed fetish. I don't care about silly things like loot, and I prefer the transporter to be wearing the implants when I pod him. :)
Actually I've suicide podded players simply because they had an '03 born on stamp and had a "good feeling" about their implants.
But trust me when I say, I've suicided dozens of people and I prefer to get to know them now before I do it. It's so much more satisfying. The loot really doesn't matter to me.
Still sucking down the tear-shakes by the gallon, eh Ashley? Nice to see you're still in business. |
Nyxster
Gallente Gatecrashers
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Posted - 2009.11.03 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Nyxster on 03/11/2009 16:48:17
Originally by: Gibbo3771 Well the crew I can get together to do this is basically the setup I listed earlier, Raven pilot (smarties on warp in? or torps on other side?) with impel hauler and 1 scout scannin incmoing haulers.
Would a raven with 4 T2 ballistics and T2 torps with duel maybe triple target painters work?
Ive been in 0.0 fleets and seen SB's instapop haulers after i tackle the ****er, but those have a huge boost to volley dmg...would a raven do the same effect, also the rof is around 6 seconds so 2 volleys possible?
It depends on your skills mate.
Generally speaking a fully rack of 8 smarties will give about 2400 DPS of area of effective pleasure, if you have 2 or 3 pilots stacked then you can hit for 7800 DPS which is enough to wipe out anything without a decent tank in the blast radius - we once had 3 pilots go from +1.0 to - 9.2 sec status in a single hit due to the sheer carnage this caused. Best bet is to sit on a trade route gate and scan incoming/outgoing haulers fitouts, load em into EFT and see what sort of tank they have and that will give you an idea of what you need to kill em.
For your torp fit, generally i would suggest a full rack of T2 Torp launchers plus Caldari navy torps, group your rack and overheat them and add a Notos charge as a nice garnish, for mid rack fit triple painters and a couple of LSE 1's if you are running with other SB's in tow to cover you from the blast. fit 3 BCS II - the 4th is a waste as it adds so little - a suitcase is nice to buy you another 5 seconds or so of concord **** that might sneak in another SB cycle.
I would hit em with the torps first then between the reload the SB's, dependin on sec status of system and where concord is you may get lucky and get a second strike in before the poliz show up sometimes you won't - overheated torps with max skills can hit for nearly 5000 DPS, you need to run EFT to get the outcome - a passive targeter and a sensor booster II with a locktime script ftw.
Basically nobble your target with the torps and SB's in the mean time, make sure your hauler is close (and tanked against the blast, a 20K tanked BR is ideal). insure your raven and get your hauler to pick up any survivin mods from your ravens and your are in profit.
For scouting, you want someone on the gate side (usually your hauler will do) and your attack squad on the inbound gate, as soon as they decloak to align then lock em and drop em.
its not that hard, hardest thing these days is finding a gate wuth lots of customers that isnt permacamped and has a 10,000 concord in attendance 24 minutes after downtime. obviously dont bother if concord are anywhere on scene - and make sure you are right on top of your target to cut torp flight time so a burner and cap booster can be handy in the midslots to close into SB range.
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari The Phoenix Enclave
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Posted - 2009.11.03 20:07:00 -
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Don't T2 fit, it's a waste of ISK. Use T1 or cheap named mods; they'll do you just fine.
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Nyxster
Gallente Gatecrashers SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.11.03 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Don't T2 fit, it's a waste of ISK. Use T1 or cheap named mods; they'll do you just fine.
that depends on what'cha killin, overheated T2's in the right sec system is the difference between getting a second round in, if you are ganking 5bn fit golems or CNR's the investment in extra DPS/ROF is worth the chance of a double strike.
Speculate to accumulate and all that.
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Avan Sercedos
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.11.03 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxster DPS
You keep using that acronym. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Nyxster
Gallente Gatecrashers SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.11.03 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Avan Sercedos
Originally by: Nyxster DPS
You keep using that acronym. I do not think it means what you think it means.
oh, you are that clever kid that actually did math and engerlish at school.
Remember, the school nerd always gets the wedgie first.
listen u achura monkey boy.
its not kool to be klever where technical **** is concerned.
Down in my hood where we didnt get no skoolin its like dis:
you can increase your DAMAGE to your VICTIM using SOME REALLY CLEVER STUFF WAT COSTS YOU INTERNETZ MONEYZ IN THE PRETENDZ INTERNETZ SHOPZ 4 DA SPACESHIPZ. IF YOU TRY DA DIFFERENT THINGYS ON YOUR INTERNETZ SPACESHIPZ THEN THE VICTIM DOES GOE BOOMZ SOMETIMES QUICKERZ BUT YOU NEED TO ASK TEH CLEVA ACHURA MONKEE BOY WAT HAS READ THE INTERNETZ MANUALZ FOR SPACESHIPZ AND NOES HOW MANYS YOU CAN FITZ OF EVERYTHING BECAUSE HE IS CLEVER NOT LIKE US DUMB GALLANTE BiATCHES WAT IS JUST **** N ASS.
------> ship discussions that way brosef, criminals, us iz stupid. lecturin to the wrong flava of playa, if i gave a **** about terminology and fittin out a ubertank wagon for mah PVE mishon runnin i wouldnt be here, mostly my stuff lasts 7 seconds so I don't care to read teh specsheet too much. wat i care about most is u go boom boom boom b4 da internet space babylon feelin me coconuts.
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Avan Sercedos
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.11.03 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxster
Originally by: Avan Sercedos
Originally by: Nyxster DPS
You keep using that acronym. I do not think it means what you think it means.
oh, you are that clever kid that actually did math and engerlish at school.
Remember, the school nerd always gets the wedgie first.
listen u achura monkey boy.
its not kool to be klever where technical **** is concerned.
Down in my hood where we didnt get no skoolin its like dis:
you can increase your DAMAGE to your VICTIM using SOME REALLY CLEVER STUFF WAT COSTS YOU INTERNETZ MONEYZ IN THE PRETENDZ INTERNETZ SHOPZ 4 DA SPACESHIPZ. IF YOU TRY DA DIFFERENT THINGYS ON YOUR INTERNETZ SPACESHIPZ THEN THE VICTIM DOES GOE BOOMZ SOMETIMES QUICKERZ BUT YOU NEED TO ASK TEH CLEVA ACHURA MONKEE BOY WAT HAS READ THE INTERNETZ MANUALZ FOR SPACESHIPZ AND NOES HOW MANYS YOU CAN FITZ OF EVERYTHING BECAUSE HE IS CLEVER NOT LIKE US DUMB GALLANTE BiATCHES WAT IS JUST **** N ASS.
------> ship discussions that way brosef, criminals, us iz stupid. lecturin to the wrong flava of playa, if i gave a **** about terminology and fittin out a ubertank wagon for mah PVE mishon runnin i wouldnt be here, mostly my stuff lasts 7 seconds so I don't care to read teh specsheet too much. wat i care about most is u go boom boom boom b4 da internet space babylon feelin me coconuts.
I enjoyed this post, thus I retract all complaints.
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Nyxster
Gallente Gatecrashers SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.11.03 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Avan Sercedos
Originally by: Nyxster
Originally by: Avan Sercedos
Originally by: Nyxster DPS
You keep using that acronym. I do not think it means what you think it means.
oh, you are that clever kid that actually did math and engerlish at school.
whoop whoop
I enjoyed this post, thus I retract all complaints.
oh goody gumdrops.
then we can kiss n makeup before they cart me off to space jail where I can take a day release course in spaceship engineering 4 piwates.
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Avan Sercedos
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.11.03 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxster then we can kiss n makeup before they cart me off to space jail where I can take a day release course in spaceship engineering 4 piwates.
<3
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Sissy Fuzz
Amarr Sissy Fuzz Communications
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Posted - 2009.11.04 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Urn Keller
You presume the ganker cares who he's ganking. I just want loot. I don't care what corp the idiot moving a full set of +5 implants in an Ibis belongs to.
Pathetic
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.04 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ashley Sky
Originally by: Urn Keller
You presume the ganker cares who he's ganking. I just want loot. I don't care what corp the idiot moving a full set of +5 implants in an Ibis belongs to.
It makes me hurt to think about how many ships you've scanned in vain for your silly little greed fetish. I don't care about silly things like loot, and I prefer the transporter to be wearing the implants when I pod him. :)
Actually I've suicide podded players simply because they had an '03 born on stamp and had a "good feeling" about their implants.
But trust me when I say, I've suicided dozens of people and I prefer to get to know them now before I do it. It's so much more satisfying. The loot really doesn't matter to me.
Had a bad trauma when still a child? - Auditing and consulting
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Ashley Sky
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.11.04 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Benedict Carol
Still sucking down the tear-shakes by the gallon, eh Ashley? Nice to see you're still in business.
Business is slower these days, but I do still enjoy the occasional sale.
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Wonton Tomato
Suicide Girls
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Posted - 2009.11.04 18:05:00 -
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It all comes down to tangible entertainment. Seeing an icon or a graphic appear, disappear or change gets old after a few rounds of spanking lotion.
Seeing someone lose their mind and tantrum dance over months, even years... of hard painful repetitious work and totally worthless carrot sucking just go... *poof*! --- in an instant. Well, that's just effin priceless. Always take the pod, it's the icing on the cake that lights the fuse (if there is one).
Whether you watch like watching paint dry on the AFK highway, or social engineering a corp into oblivion. I say go for the real entertainment and feel the love.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.11.04 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxster
Originally by: Avan Sercedos
Originally by: Nyxster DPS
You keep using that acronym. I do not think it means what you think it means.
oh, you are that clever kid that actually did math and engerlish at school.
Remember, the school nerd always gets the wedgie first.
listen u achura monkey boy.
its not kool to be klever where technical **** is concerned.
Down in my hood where we didnt get no skoolin its like dis:
you can increase your DAMAGE to your VICTIM using SOME REALLY CLEVER STUFF WAT COSTS YOU INTERNETZ MONEYZ IN THE PRETENDZ INTERNETZ SHOPZ 4 DA SPACESHIPZ. IF YOU TRY DA DIFFERENT THINGYS ON YOUR INTERNETZ SPACESHIPZ THEN THE VICTIM DOES GOE BOOMZ SOMETIMES QUICKERZ BUT YOU NEED TO ASK TEH CLEVA ACHURA MONKEE BOY WAT HAS READ THE INTERNETZ MANUALZ FOR SPACESHIPZ AND NOES HOW MANYS YOU CAN FITZ OF EVERYTHING BECAUSE HE IS CLEVER NOT LIKE US DUMB GALLANTE BiATCHES WAT IS JUST **** N ASS.
------> ship discussions that way brosef, criminals, us iz stupid. lecturin to the wrong flava of playa, if i gave a **** about terminology and fittin out a ubertank wagon for mah PVE mishon runnin i wouldnt be here, mostly my stuff lasts 7 seconds so I don't care to read teh specsheet too much. wat i care about most is u go boom boom boom b4 da internet space babylon feelin me coconuts.
Reading this just made my day.
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.11.04 20:26:00 -
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Off topic much? lol
Well we will only have 1 guy doing the ganking and it will be in 0.5 system on the gate. He can fly a raven with T2 torps and is focused on missiles, he can also overheat and use target painters.
Will I really need 2-3 guys to actualy gank a t1 hauler?
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Mo0seluffer
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Posted - 2009.11.04 23:18:00 -
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Gankbears are worse than carebears nowadays....
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