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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2009.11.09 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Naye Nathaniel Its an ASSAULT FRIGATE, should be FASTER
Tbh i don't see any real reason why it should be faster. And i'm not happy with AB bonus removal just because it made them 'overpowered'. It didn't give them any viable role, so AB boost wouldn't change much imo.
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Nabiah
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Posted - 2009.11.10 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Chronotis it has been delayed to post-dominion as we were prioritized onto other things and could not complete the full changes including rockets and the like and we did not want to deploy it without the full set of changes.
Post Dominion could be... post ad aeternum so dont get hard about sexy rockets.
LOL at all who bought a bunch of AFs thinking on profit.
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Noxford
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Posted - 2009.11.10 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Noxford on 10/11/2009 19:12:13 +1 want to hear more about
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Tanaka Reina
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Posted - 2010.01.22 07:39:00 -
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ROCKETS?!! I fly a Hawk/Merlin/kestrel/Griffin quite usually so this make me smile! rocky rockets! roc***eettsssss |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.01.22 12:05:00 -
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you want this thread i think |
Bigpimping
Pimp Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.22 18:12:00 -
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SPROCKETS? ________________________________________ He who pimps, is God... |
Krennel Darius
Caldari Nova Security Systems
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Posted - 2010.01.23 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Originally by: Naye Nathaniel Its an ASSAULT FRIGATE, should be FASTER
Tbh i don't see any real reason why it should be faster. And i'm not happy with AB bonus removal just because it made them 'overpowered'. It didn't give them any viable role, so AB boost wouldn't change much imo.
The speed bonus is to give it the role of 'Heavy Tackler'. Basically, its supposed to be able to close on a target and hang in there longer than a ceptor, but obviously not as fast. With the speed boost we're only gaining 300-500 ms anyway(unless you're running full speed mods and a high grade slave set on a Jag, then you can hit 3k ohnoes)
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Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.01.24 05:35:00 -
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There was talk about giving them web immunity, why not just go with that? Makes them viable without the wtfOP factor that giving them a massive boost to ABs would get. Or maybe make them immune to capacitor warfare, no neuts on frigs means they can effectively take on large ships while still being slow enough to get nuked by cruisers and whatnot. |
Deva Blackfire
Cry Me a River INC
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Posted - 2010.01.24 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus There was talk about giving them web immunity, why not just go with that? Makes them viable without the wtfOP factor that giving them a massive boost to ABs would get. Or maybe make them immune to capacitor warfare, no neuts on frigs means they can effectively take on large ships while still being slow enough to get nuked by cruisers and whatnot.
Web immunity idea was decent 2 years ago - before speed nerf happened. Now with weaker webs making ship immune to those is just stupid. There is a counter to webs: AB and it works quite well against larger ships.
Same for immunity to neuts. They can ALREADY kill larger ships even when being neuted. Im not sure if you would like ot see all vagas changed into jags/ishkurs because they can deal HAC-like DPS and then get kinky bonus like immportality (web immunity or ew immunity). In both cases - it makes them overpowered. Properly flown AF is very hard to kill and remove from your ship (especially if you are in larger one) so increasing their survivalability is just wrong.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.01.24 06:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 24/01/2010 06:57:28 I and others worked with the idea of overheating bonuses to give them a required oomph without upsetting the rather fragile balance in the class. Like Deva said, they are already very powerful in the right hands, upping damage/tank ratio without a noticeable drawback risks creating "must-have" ships (sort of like we are seeing with the Dramiels currently )
Nowadays I am leaning towards gang-oriented bonuses, such as bonuses to probes, cynos and similar.
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Deva Blackfire
Cry Me a River INC
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Posted - 2010.01.24 21:38:00 -
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TBH i wouldnt go "add same bonus to all AFs" way but look at each of them separately. You dont see all HACs sharting same bonus nor all command ships getting same one, why do ppl want to have same bonus on all AFs? They are all used in different way and giving them all same bonus will just boost ones that WILL use it (like AB speed boosting fastest AFs) and screw others. Better check em one by one and add bonuses dependant on their combat style. Examples of those bonuses were posted multiple times in multiple threads before (and i really dont have time to search for em right now).
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rgreat
Gallente OEG GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.25 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Draco Argen I'm with ^
ROCKETS?! Very cool if they actually become a viable weapon.
BLASTERS?! Very cool if they actually become a viable weapon. . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: rgreat
Originally by: Draco Argen I'm with ^
ROCKETS?! Very cool if they actually become a viable weapon.
BLASTERS?! Very cool if they actually become a viable weapon.
Yes small blasters are absolutely broken. especially compared to rockets.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 25/01/2010 19:36:01 Hey, this is about af ab boost. Lets stop talking about rockets. Psycho sneaks off to check if he trained rockets to 5 yet?
Seriously, where is the ab boost?
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UVPhoenix2
Gallente Brotherhood of Heart and Steel Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2010.01.26 08:10:00 -
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They had an AB boost? I never noticed. ___
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Tim Hibbins
Minmatar Tim and Sasha Savings and Loans
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Posted - 2010.01.26 09:41:00 -
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Never really understood why the bonuses on the T1 base hulls couldnt carry over to af's.
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Zverofaust
Gallente Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.01.28 02:40:00 -
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Sadly, I think most can agree that Minmatar AFs (Jag specifically) are pretty much exempt from this as they have the speed, slot layouts and awesome autocannons to pretty much fill the role of heavy tackler ~perfectly~. All other AFs are pretty much made worthless for one reason or another: Enyos with their loltacular speed and 2 mid slots are easily kited by any other frigate and make poor tacklers sacrificing either a scram or a web; Ishkurs are too slow and while they do have room for a speed mod and a point and web their "primary attribute" is drone usage which IMHO is a very poor substitute for real usefulness; Retributions... yeah, they won't be tackling anything. Vengeance uses lolrockets. Harpies and Hawks suffer much of the same problems mainly with slow speed and only 4 mids, meaning a proper tackle fit (speedmod/web/scram) will leave them woefully undertanked. Jags on the other hand have excellent speed to outrun any other frig (except inties which aren't a problem anyway) and most cruisers; 4 mid and 3 low slots allowing for highly customizable setups from shield to armour tanks, with plenty of room for proper tackle; excellent tracking and range autocannons; etc.
Frankly there really is no point to non-Minmatar AFs. The Ishkur is perhaps the only exception due to its 4/3/3 slot layout but its low speed and reliance on drones is still a really heavy deficit.
My $0.02.
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Letifer Deus
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.01.29 04:50:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 29/01/2010 04:54:05
Originally by: Deva Blackfire TBH i wouldnt go "add same bonus to all AFs" way but look at each of them separately. You dont see all HACs sharting same bonus
Curiously you left out interceptors, which all share a bonus. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
Deva Blackfire
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.29 08:21:00 -
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I was kinda sure that AFs are to frigs what HACs are to cruisers. I dont really see cruiser-interceptor class. So yeh, quite obvious reason to treat them differently.
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Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.30 14:13:00 -
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RAWKITS!
____ Rockets need a boost. CCP status: [_] Told. [x] Not told.
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Krennel Darius
Caldari Nova Security Systems
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Posted - 2010.01.31 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista RAWKITS!
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Maria Kalista
Amarr Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2010.01.31 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer
Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 05/11/2009 23:37:13
Originally by: Babagenoushe
Originally by: Nova Fox Looks like they're going to turn them into the assault bombers (long range missile frigates) back from the day on the packsniffing finds.
I really don't think this will ever happen. They haven't said anything to even suggest this.
This is CCP. They tried to sneak an Arena "Combat Simulator" into the game without any mention of it to us except someone noticing a new key binding option.
CCP Doesn't need to tell us jack.
Where did you find this?
Here.
Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
We are recruiting!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.01.31 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista Here.
My favorite part of the dev reply was this: "The code had to be shelved as the server code doesn't allow for anything virtual within EVE."
I knew my internats spaceships were real! Take that you shoddy psychoanalysts and now let me out of this padded room! |
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