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Wardeneo
Shadow Incursion Shadows Incursion
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Posted - 2009.11.05 11:35:00 -
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i currently have a vaga bon my fit atm is...
highs: 5 x 220t2 ac's - barrage/republic fleet emp 1 x arbelest heavy missle launcher - caldari navy thunderbolt
meds: 1 x t1 mwd (t2 offers no extra speed) 1 x t2 24km scram 2 x t2 lse
lows: 1 x t2 dmge control 2 x t2 gyros 1 x t2 overdrive 1 x t2 nanofibre
rigs:
1 x kin resist shield rig 1 x shield extender rig
drones: 5 x warrior 2's
but what i want to know is is it better to replace 220's with dual 180s 2 make room for a med neut??? or keep 220's and keep missle launcher....
-wardeneo-
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The'Best Hellfury
Incura
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Posted - 2009.11.05 11:40:00 -
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By all means, please stick with 220s and a missile launcher. ALEKSEYEV KARRDE FOR CSM |
Wardeneo
Shadow Incursion Shadows Incursion
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Posted - 2009.11.05 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: The'Best Hellfury By all means, please stick with 220s and a missile launcher.
so dual 180s and a nuet it is then, any1 got agood 220 t2 acs and neut fit??
-wardeneo-
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Mr Ignitious
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.11.05 16:05:00 -
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go with 180's for the tracking, and you can fiddle with rigs between a kin resist rig, fall off rigs (this will increase your effect dmg at range) or tracking rigs.
I read the forums assuming there are no trolls, only really stupid people.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.05 16:15:00 -
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Pre-Dominion:
[Vagabond, Awesome] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Energy Neutralizer II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Projectile Ambit Extension II Projectile Ambit Extension II
Warrior II x5
Post-Dominion you want to use TEs as they give insane falloff bonuses (30% or so I think it is). _________________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE! |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating Da Orkz
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Posted - 2009.11.05 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: The'Best Hellfury By all means, please stick with 220s and a missile launcher.
Even with 220s, the vaga's warriors should have ripped that inty apart.
That being said: For now stick with dual 180s, post dominion there will however be more of a reason to fit larger tier ACs (they're getting buffs to their falloff, and I think their DPS as well) |
Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.05 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: The'Best Hellfury By all means, please stick with 220s and a missile launcher.
Even with 220s, the vaga's warriors should have ripped that inty apart.
That being said: For now stick with dual 180s, post dominion there will however be more of a reason to fit larger tier ACs (they're getting buffs to their falloff, and I think their DPS as well)
Not really, you can kill unbonused Warriors in time in most frigate hulls easily enough.
Also, prettier mail. _________________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE! |
Wardeneo
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Posted - 2009.11.05 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Suas Pre-Dominion:
Post-Dominion you want to use TEs as they give insane falloff bonuses (30% or so I think it is).
so whats this pre/post domination, new eve update???
-Wardeneo- |
Avan Sercedos
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.11.05 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Wardeneo so whats this pre/post domination, new eve update???
I see what you're doing here, and I refuse to fall for it
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Wardeneo
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Posted - 2009.11.05 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Avan Sercedos
Originally by: Wardeneo so whats this pre/post domination, new eve update???
I see what you're doing here, and I refuse to fall for it
????? -Wardeneo- |
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ASCHAYA
Gallente Project Kiev
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Posted - 2009.11.05 19:07:00 -
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[Vagabond] Power Diagnostic System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
Hornet II x5
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2009.11.05 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: ASCHAYA [Vagabond] Power Diagnostic System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
Hornet II x5
3 gyro and 180s are better than 2 gyros and 220
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Saietor Blackgreen
Crimson Star Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.06 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: 1600 RT 3 gyro and 180s are better than 2 gyros and 220
Unless 220s have larger falloff than 180s, which will be the case after Dominion hits on 1st Dec.
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.06 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Saietor Blackgreen
Originally by: 1600 RT 3 gyro and 180s are better than 2 gyros and 220
Unless 220s have larger falloff than 180s, which will be the case after Dominion hits on 1st Dec.
He's probably not posting a Dominion setup, he's just being bad.
The fit also sucks post-Dominion, FYI. _________________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE! |
Nimmu
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Posted - 2009.11.06 07:39:00 -
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Speed mods are generally a wasted lowslot on a vagabond. You're already faster than anything your size or larger. An argument can be made for using a nano, agility is always nice for managing your approach properly (dodging web/scram range on initial tackle approach). Overdrives on a vagabond are just terrible.
The stock fittings which all vagabonds should have are three Gyrostabilizers, two LSEII, MWD, Point, Medium Neut.
If you don't understand why this is, you shouldn't be flying a vagabond.
That leaves us with gun caliber, two rig slots, and two lowslots to play with.
I don't get this garbage about nancying around and trying to fit your vaga for multiple roles.
Thus I see two main routes which you can take. Tank or falloff.
Tank: Fit DCU/PDU or PDU/PDU, fit two Core Defence or Core Defence/Anti-Kinetic. Fit 220mm guns. Dual PDU and dual Core Defence on this fit makes for some nice passive recharge and a strong capacitor.
Falloff: Fit DCU/PDU/Nano/Tracking Enhancer, fit two Ambit rigs. Fit 180mm guns.
Personally I prefer the falloff varient for dps at 20 to 24km, and the ability to feel cool about your damage while never getting closer than 20km.
At present, I use DCU/TrackingEnhancer/Gyrostabilizerx3 for my lows. The TE, even pre-Dominion, is pretty sweet when paired with 180mm guns. Check the TE with Barrage ammunition and you will see what I mean by this.
After Dominion Tracking Enhancers are going to be hotsauce on a vagabond. We might even start dropping a Gyro for a TE.
After Dominion we will also probably try to figure out how to fit 220mm guns with dual ambit rigs.
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.06 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nimmu Speed mods are generally a wasted lowslot on a vagabond. You're already faster than anything your size or larger. An argument can be made for using a nano, agility is always nice for managing your approach properly (dodging web/scram range on initial tackle approach). Overdrives on a vagabond are just terrible.
The stock fittings which all vagabonds should have are three Gyrostabilizers, two LSEII, MWD, Point, Medium Neut.
If you don't understand why this is, you shouldn't be flying a vagabond.
That leaves us with gun caliber, two rig slots, and two lowslots to play with.
I don't get this garbage about nancying around and trying to fit your vaga for multiple roles.
Thus I see two main routes which you can take. Tank or falloff.
Tank: Fit DCU/PDU or PDU/PDU, fit two Core Defence or Core Defence/Anti-Kinetic. Fit 220mm guns. Dual PDU and dual Core Defence on this fit makes for some nice passive recharge and a strong capacitor.
Falloff: Fit DCU/PDU/Nano/Tracking Enhancer, fit two Ambit rigs. Fit 180mm guns.
Personally I prefer the falloff varient for dps at 20 to 24km, and the ability to feel cool about your damage while never getting closer than 20km.
At present, I use DCU/TrackingEnhancer/Gyrostabilizerx3 for my lows. The TE, even pre-Dominion, is pretty sweet when paired with 180mm guns. Check the TE with Barrage ammunition and you will see what I mean by this.
After Dominion Tracking Enhancers are going to be hotsauce on a vagabond. We might even start dropping a Gyro for a TE.
After Dominion we will also probably try to figure out how to fit 220mm guns with dual ambit rigs.
You are also bad. No reason to use Ambits post-Dominion as TEs are like almost twice as good as T2 ambits. Go for the 2 TE / 3 Gyro mix and use rigs for speed & agility. _________________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE! |
Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2009.11.06 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Suas
You are also bad. No reason to use Ambits post-Dominion as TEs are like almost twice as good as T2 ambits. Go for the 2 TE / 3 Gyro mix and use rigs for speed & agility.
and nanofibers are like almost twice as good as polycarbons.
It will be a matter of personal choice because low slots will be better for everything.
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.06 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mahke
Originally by: Suas
You are also bad. No reason to use Ambits post-Dominion as TEs are like almost twice as good as T2 ambits. Go for the 2 TE / 3 Gyro mix and use rigs for speed & agility.
and nanofibers are like almost twice as good as polycarbons.
It will be a matter of personal choice because low slots will be better for everything.
Except I was only talking about Falloff bonus. They also give optimal and tracking bonus.
Tool. _________________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE! |
Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2009.11.06 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Suas
Originally by: Mahke
Originally by: Suas
You are also bad. No reason to use Ambits post-Dominion as TEs are like almost twice as good as T2 ambits. Go for the 2 TE / 3 Gyro mix and use rigs for speed & agility.
and nanofibers are like almost twice as good as polycarbons.
It will be a matter of personal choice because low slots will be better for everything.
Except I was only talking about Falloff bonus. They also give optimal and tracking bonus.
Tool.
I agree with you. Just don't think its so cut and paste that you don't even need to think about it though. Its a choice.
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Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.06 12:22:00 -
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Neut > HML. Neutvaga w/ 220s needs PG4 afaik.
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.11.06 13:09:00 -
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Post dominion you're most likely going to want a cheap PG4 and fit 220s+neut, with maybe a 3 gyro/TE/DC combination in lows (or dual TEs if you're OK with sacrificing the DC).
This will give you ~ 32,18 km Barrage falloff and 3.1km optimal with single TE, or 40km falloff with dual TEs.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2009.11.06 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Suas
Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: The'Best Hellfury By all means, please stick with 220s and a missile launcher.
Even with 220s, the vaga's warriors should have ripped that inty apart.
That being said: For now stick with dual 180s, post dominion there will however be more of a reason to fit larger tier ACs (they're getting buffs to their falloff, and I think their DPS as well)
Not really, you can kill unbonused Warriors in time in most frigate hulls easily enough.
Also, prettier mail.
Kills against IRC don't count.
...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
Asania Dre
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Posted - 2009.11.06 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: 1600 RT
Originally by: ASCHAYA [Vagabond] snip
3 gyro and 180s are better than 2 gyros and 220
While this is true at point-blank range, it's not true at longer ranges.
I have made some graphs comparing a 2 TE / 3 Gyro D180 vaga to a 2 TE / 2 Gyro / 1 PDU 220 vaga, here's a link to the graphs:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0911/vaga.JPG
What this shows is the 220 vaga out damages from 16-20km using faction ammo, and again from ~24km onwards with barrage. I've also run this chart with some transversal details and the extra tracking from D180 doesn't change the outcome by much.
Of course, the better fitting in pure damage terms is 3 gyro and 2 TE, but that either requires named mwd / lse, or a fitting implant.
The PDU also give some extra cap and shields which imo push the 220 / 2 gyro fit ahead of the D180 3 gyro fit.
These charts are using the current stats on sisi.
For reference, here's the full vaga fit:
2 x Gyro II 2 x TE II 1 x PDU II
1 x MWD II 1 x WD II 2 x LSE II
5 x 220mm AC II 1 x Neut II
2 x polycarbon rigs
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Sun Ra
The Water Margin Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.07 06:29:00 -
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hint: train shield upgrades 5
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Nimmu
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Posted - 2009.11.07 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Suas You are also bad. No reason to use Ambits post-Dominion as TEs are like almost twice as good as T2 ambits. Go for the 2 TE / 3 Gyro mix and use rigs for speed & agility.
And you have terrible reading comprehension. Lash out much?
Where did I mention that the fitting advice/thoughts which I shared were in any way post-Dominion?
Or are you just referring to my comment about how we will probably be trying to fit 220s with Ambit rigs post Dominion?
Unless TE falloff bonus has a stacking penalty with Ambit rigs, the two used together will make perfect sense.
More than 30km of falloff? Yes please. My dps will be even higher at 20km.
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