Selnix
Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.07 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vivian Azure And again... a system will cost 2 billion ISK a month with a few upgrades.
If you have 10 players, each of them has to pay a laughable 7 million ISK a day to pay this bill.
Stop whining.
You Sir, deserve some sort of award for the best troll post of the entire thread. Apparently by stating that the goal of funding a Sov system with upgrades is easily attainable you somehow got people believing that the argument here is the cost.
The cost of the upgrades and sov is irrelevant. The argument here is that these upgrades, and even sov itself, are quite worthless under the system that is being implemented in the majority of 0.0 space. Dominion was heralded as the chariot that would whisk the little empire bears out into the riches of 0.0 where they could thrive in little cave-like pockets and provide a new target-rich environment for those of us that would rather shoot ships that have some chance of doing something unpredictable instead of a bunch of bots that do the same thing all day every day. Nothing about this expansion as it has been outlined thus far does this. You might ask, "Are there going to be more systems without sov that they can dig in and try to live in?" and the answer would obviously be a "Yes.". The problem is that there is nothing stopping these same people from doing that under the current system. An unused system now has no less benefit to a group looking to gain a foothold than it will after Sov is removed.
Any little corporation out there can move into 0.0 under the current game mechanics with practically the same ease as they would in Dominion because post-patch the only systems you can really expect to see Sov in are those with outposts and those that have jump bridges for logistics on the way to those outposts. If you get down to the essence of things, outposts are only useful to allow people to dock up and keep their ships/modules/etc relatively safe while also allowing for a market to exist. In all of the systems without outposts the new guys will be forced to live out of POS towers and no matter how you try to spin it, that is already more than doable. So it all boils down to for an upstart Alliance is either trying to take an outpost under what could very well end up being no easier circumstances than currently exist or attempting to do as they already can and organize their people into a life lived out of POS while trying to dodge that corp thief silver bullet.
There is really just no justification for upgrading a system that you do not need sov in either for giving some buffer of protection to your outpost or for protecting your jump bridge network. Any percieved gains from the increases that they can provide are completely nullified by the fact that the costs will consume more than you can expect to milk out of the system over what could already be earned there through normal activity. This is even more ludicrous in that there is an activity requirement for upgrades to become available but that same activity is beyond a waste of time without the upgrades. How can you expect the bears to mine endless hours to get their upgrades when they could make just as much mining in lowsec and without the monthly bill? CCP's expectations of cramming a hundred people into a system and having them use it for anything more than a place to dock up are laughable as the resources available through upgrading won't likely support 1/10th of that number at any given time in the average 0.0 system.
The other major flaw in the logic or lack thereof where your rather epic troll post is concerned is also a simple one. You give your argument as though the goal in 0.0 is to farm enough fund sov. For the vast majority of 0.0 residents the goal is to have fun and if having fun requires grinding a few hours for isk to buy ships to go lose in a shower of internet pixels, that is a necessary burden. Farming to enable us to grind isk is, for many of us, not the reason we subscribe to EVE.
-Sel
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