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Ivanna Nuke
Gallente Daralux
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Posted - 2009.11.08 18:47:00 -
[61]
Agree to fight at safe spot.
Fleet up.
Warp to safe
Drop on him at zero, and let loose disco-geddon.
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Jacob Holland
Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.08 20:17:00 -
[62]
Another option would be to go with a Hyperion, Maelstrom or Tempest loaded with short range damage, solid tank... Using the 'pest for an example go with 650ACs, 1 siege launcher and a heavy neut, load light drones to deal with his drones and Infiltrator EV-600s to deal with his cap.
Neut Drones after all are not actually a neut, they just have the same effect.
The same could be done with the ECM tanked scorp. --
Originally by: cordy
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Adeena Torcfist
Caldari Dark Underground Forces
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Posted - 2009.11.08 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: insulubria I has faith in Adeenaz
Hopefully you've got a talisman set to speed things along, and you should use the bhaal so you give him something to hit.
that way he wont get frustrated trying to hit your curse.
also fleet up with a loki and legion drop that sig by 30-40%? gain 40% to your armor tank as well??
doubt hes got room for a point and a paint..
I've got a setup which is probably alot like this guy but I use it around docks with corners and with alt logistics and fleet bonus's etc..
A full hg set on a clone, but im not no cheating logistics person. i prefer a true 1 v 1, regardless of the bonuses.
Only problem i hate, is these ones that sit in dock ranges of stations or jump range of gates. Get him to a safe & work from there.
ECM drones for the lulz & his tank will soon fail. fear not, u can kill this guy. Use the advices given ( neuts ) & his tank, wont be so "uber" when ur failing & his in structure
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Zakarazor
Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2009.11.08 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zakarazor on 08/11/2009 21:12:16 [Vengeance, anti torp] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Small Nosferatu II Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Do 100 dps and tank 122 dps. do 750 M/s the sig is also small as hell.
Just take out the drones as soon as he deploy them.
This also give the huge bonus of beating him in a ship that cost less than a tenth of what his ship do...and is WAY smaller!
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Shigsy
Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.11.08 21:15:00 -
[65]
except you will never break his tank or force him to use 1 cap booster -_-
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Zakarazor
Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2009.11.08 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy except you will never break his tank or force him to use 1 cap booster -_-
100 dps is enough to sooner or later make him use a cap booster as he will sooner or later run our of cap as he is using a pvp setup with no cap regen.
Sooner or later he will run out of boosters and then he will simply die. It will take an our or so but the veng can hold a ****load of ammo.
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Shigsy
Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.11.08 21:29:00 -
[67]
No it wont. It will never die.
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.08 21:33:00 -
[68]
Originally by: RuleoftheBone Pilgrim or Curse. Mid-slot EWAR as appropriate. ECM drones til his cap is dead.
Lulz.....and **** his ***goty rules
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Zakarazor
Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2009.11.08 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Diomidis
Originally by: RuleoftheBone Pilgrim or Curse. Mid-slot EWAR as appropriate. ECM drones til his cap is dead.
Lulz.....and **** his ***goty rules
Not that many chances you can keep a CNR perma-jammed with med ECM drones...
a dual rep NOS pilgrim with a AB should be able to tank him though.
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Vherr Arkhar
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Posted - 2009.11.08 22:06:00 -
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Why oh why do people never ever attack me with only ONE nos, when I fly about anything that need active something?
Oh well. CNR max tank would be what? Around 600-1k dps permatanked? A statement like "only one NOS" probably means if totally overtanked: cap stable at 45% or stuff like that...
How about this: Nightmare, Range > Torprange: Sensorbooster+AB = MC Hammer? And if he actually HAS cruise and sb - he will have less tank and you might even get ridiculous and start using defenders. XD *rofl* *grins*
Seriously tho - Nightmare and Range = bad bang, you don't need ammo (cause it might take a while) and with ab and booster he will never get you.
Oh, and since anyone of you can run at any time... well you don't get him, but ... active tank, no nos... *gnah*
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Jacob Holland
Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.08 22:23:00 -
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He's got an X-Type tank as I understand it from the OP. That would put his tank more in the 12-1500 range IIRC. Which is why he's confident in 1vs1 and why he's stipulated the 1 Neut rule. --
Originally by: cordy
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Pearre Dash
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Posted - 2009.11.09 02:16:00 -
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Edited by: Pearre Dash on 09/11/2009 02:17:53
Originally by: Zakarazor
Originally by: Shigsy except you will never break his tank or force him to use 1 cap booster -_-
100 dps is enough to sooner or later make him use a cap booster as he will sooner or later run our of cap as he is using a pvp setup with no cap regen.
Sooner or later he will run out of boosters and then he will simply die. It will take an our or so but the veng can hold a ****load of ammo.
CNR has such an obscene amount of shields it will passively recharge tank the majority of the Vengeance's DPS at peak and won't go past it. Total stalemate.
And screw his "1 neut" rule, you don't always get to select your opponents in PVP and nobody cares about how he dislikes neutralizers because he's a big baby. Don't stop at hull, kill him and loot his mods.
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Jessica Fyers
Gallente Azure Horizon
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Posted - 2009.11.09 02:34:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Jessica Fyers on 09/11/2009 02:40:48 [Loki, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
10MN Afterburner II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Medium Capacitor Battery II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Hammerhead II x4 Vespa EC-600 x4
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W0wbagger
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Posted - 2009.11.09 02:53:00 -
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So you can only use 1 neut? For a bit of fun how about this :)
[Curse, CNR killer?] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II
10MN Afterburner II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Hammerhead II x5
Neut and shoot him from well outside torp range, pick your damage type with missiles to his weakest resist, same with drones. Stick whatever you want in the rest of your mids, doesnt matter all that much. (Curse bonus means that 1 neut is effectively 2 heavy neuts) If he's cap boosting he'll certainly need to use the charges, mean he'll eventually cap out and stop tanking. If he's fitting cruise, add a bit of shield buffer to the ab and you should be able to put something fairly tanky together. If you have decent drone skills you can lose the DLA for another missile launcher.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2009.11.09 05:49:00 -
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A similarly fit Mael w/ HG Crystals + blue pill blah blah should be able to do it, 1 vs 1 w/ no Neut. It'd be a really long fight and you'd have to manage your cap injecting better than him however. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Zeerover
DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations
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Posted - 2009.11.09 09:48:00 -
[76]
Another option in this arena like 1on1 is to use a cookie cutter passive PvE Rattlesnake setup:
[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake] Damage Control II Ammatar Navy Power Diagnostic System Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Amarr Navy Heavy Nosferatu Amarr Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer
Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II
Hammerhead II x5
You're tanking over 1250 dps omni, and dealing 800 dps with implants. You don't need a painter vs a CNR. He is large enough. You can overheat it to almost 1700 dps tanked omni and 900 dps in damage. Yes there is no propulsion mod, but from the sound of it he won't be fitting one either...as long as the Nos is running you're good for cap...
And no it's not a realistic PvP fit outside of 1v1 arena fights, but neither is his "bring only one neut" restriction. Moreover it's not expensive compared to the 1 Gist X-booster I'm suspecting him of fitting (which cost the same as this whole setup).
If the 1 Nos and 1 Neut violates his rule just fit something else in the neut highslot...
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2009.11.09 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Xoco Still lame that a T1 Domi could beat all the faction ships. Anyway, lets test it out.
You friend is using a cap dependant setup. There is always a rock for a scissors in this game, and heavy neuts are the answer to active tanks. His tank is probably so large he could tank any singe battleship, but taking away his tank he will have a very small buffer.
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Miss Xoco
Minmatar TECH LAB INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2009.11.09 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Xoco on 09/11/2009 17:08:47
Originally by: beor oranes Actually agree, go for a gank Mega or Abaddon (no neuts so he feels really safe), have 2 friends in Guardians on standby once you have him tackled warp them in at 50km, get them to supply cap to you and rep, watch him die, scoop loot and make a few bil while causing someone to emorage at you.
This is a solo kill! Backup not allowed. Everyone can do it when backed up with support.
What i can say from my experience: I was able to tank a Brutix in my shield tanked Cyclone, a crap ship, for pretty long, but as soon as my cap is destroyed, the tank will fall apart like butter in the sun. Without neuts however, nearly impossible to make it gone. But that would be the challenge.
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.11.09 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Xoco
This is a solo kill! Backup not allowed. Everyone can do it when backed up with support.
The guy is limiting your fitting options bud, anybody can win a fight if they tell the oposition "you cannot fit blah blah blah" when we meet.
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Fausteus Khraemir
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.11.09 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Fausteus Khraemir on 09/11/2009 17:28:56 One of the greatest counters to active tank, cap-dependent ships are Blood Raider vessels. They're pretty good now, but after Dominion a Bhaalgorn will suck the cap out of a CNR like the tasty creme filling of a cake bar, whilst armed with the very weapons in the game that perform best at vaporising shields. If it comes down to a slap fight between an active tank CNR and a Bhaalgorn, the CNR will get pounded flat in a remarkably short order.
It's also been said, but declaring that a ship will own anything in the subcapital class and then setting restrictions on what can fight it is like declaring that you've made a universal cure for all diseases except the ones that it doesn't cure...
The CNR is a good ship; but the beauty of EVE is that for every Superman setup, there's a Kryptonite ship just around the corner. Tell your friend to adjust his perspective. :P
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.11.09 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Caldari Citizen4714 on 09/11/2009 17:57:27 Run a primarily NOS domi with one neut and dual reppers.
He restricted you to one neut, so burn up your own cap and let NOS drain his cap instead.
If you can get your cap down to a tiny %, then use a booster or something you can completely cap him out with only one heavy or medium neut, maybe some ECM in the utility slot for fun....
[Dominix, Heavy NOS] Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I ECM - Ion Field Projector II
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Warrior II x10 Ogre II x5
The idea being to keep your cap booster charges in reserve and let your NOS fuel your cap while draining his. And make sure you spread the nos cycle times apart so they hit frequently rather than all at once.
Or a curse with a single neut & a nos will still do him in without needing more than one neut....just use an AB instead of a MWD so he doesn't get fantastic DPS against you your moon-sized sig.
[Curse, CNR killer] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
10MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x10
It has a passive tank (combined with speed & sig tank) that should exceed the DPS of any realistic CNR (including faction stuff, after you kill its drones), or at least close enough to make it take 20 minutes to break you, and is cap stable with the neut on, but packs a nos in case he neuts you (medium nos cycle time is half that of a heavy neut, so you won't cap out for more than a few seconds). Just don't get webbed. Shouldn't be too hard since unless he uses a MWD (and seriously cap-screws himself) he shouldn't be able to keep the web on long enough to get through your fat buffer. Substitute HAMs if you have the skills.
It's only got one neut, but will still cap out about any conceivable active tank eventually (probably after all his cap boosters are gone). Just be careful not to let him pop all your drones, or you'll end up in a stalemate.
I've killed multiple ravens in a setup like this. Many can't do enough DPS to break my buffer before their active tank fails, even if I don't shoot their drones. But shooting their drones is a good idea, their missile DPS against an AB setup is hilariously bad.
edit: Bring some ECM drones for extra lulz so you can chew through his cap booster charges in relative peace, before you unleash actual DPS. - Support DISBANDING the Alliance CCP Renamed at the Alliance's Request |
Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.11.09 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 09/11/2009 19:12:06
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
[Dominix, Heavy NOS] Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II -> Warp Scrambler II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I ECM - Ion Field Projector II -> ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Trimark Armor Pump I -> Large Auxiliary Nanopump
Ogre II x10 vespa EC-600 x10
It is a good idea. Just a few corrections, though. =====
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Miss Xoco
Minmatar TECH LAB INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2009.11.09 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Xoco on 09/11/2009 19:15:06 Still, he would rip apart even 3 billion fitted ships easy with if they arnt spiked with Neuts because those ships couldnt break his shield but theyr own tank may fall apart in some min.
With the exception of ships who are having heavy cap destroying capabilitys as a standart, only a few usualy are having a setup with such a standart. A single Neut wouldnt be enough. Think the only ship able to destroy him without having many Neuts or Nos as a counter attack, is a faction or officer equipped T3.
The other question is, how long the own tank is able to hold because neuting takes time and you wont have the time when your tank is falling apart because of massive torpedo attacks. Thats why im not 100% sure if a 4 times Heavy Neut Typhoon would do it because the torpedo might hurt it to much. However, the new faction Typhoon could be a little beast.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.11.09 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 09/11/2009 19:29:05
Originally by: Miss Xoco Still, he would rip apart even 3 billion fitted ships easy with if they arnt spiked with Neuts because those ships couldnt break his shield but theyr own tank may fall apart in some min.
With the exception of ships who are having heavy cap destroying capabilitys as a standart, only a few usualy are having a setup with such a standart. A single Neut wouldnt be enough. Think the only ship able to destroy him without having many Neuts or Nos as a counter attack, is a faction or officer equipped T3.
The other question is, how long the own tank is able to hold because neuting takes time and you wont have the time when your tank is falling apart because of massive torpedo attacks. Thats why im not 100% sure if a 4 times Heavy Neut Typhoon would do it because the torpedo might hurt it to much.
It is quite easy to counter anything if you know what you will face.
He basically has a big tank and a lot of damage. His tank is dependent on cap, and his damage on lock.
The correct counter is ECM and neut the hell out of him. A Domi can do both:
[Dominix, Armor Tank 3] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Warp Scrambler II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II
Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Ancillary Current Router I
Ogre II x5 Ogre II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Vespa EC-600 x5
Oh, and a HG Halo Set and a Strong X-instinct booster will help you a lot too.
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.09 19:34:00 -
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he's a big gay baby with this '1 neut' bull**** because he knows a dominix will ****ing wreck him and thats exactly what you should do
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Morepew Lesque
Hate Incorporated Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.11.09 19:41:00 -
[86]
Embarass him with this:
[Cyclone, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Co-Processor II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Invulnerability Field II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I
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Axebreaker Jones
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Posted - 2009.11.09 20:06:00 -
[87]
a golem would easily win, much bigger cargo hold for cap boosters ^^
same goes for the other marauders 2
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2009.11.09 20:29:00 -
[88]
1v1 with one nuet, thats a bit specfic and barly worth a mention.
But if in high sec and no more than one nuet is the critia, multiple accounts is okay then right with no more than one nuet each... ya?!
is this situation for realz?
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Ivanna Nuke
Gallente Daralux
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Posted - 2009.11.09 21:04:00 -
[89]
Just wait till after Dominion and use a Bhaalgorn.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.09 21:27:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Diomidis
Originally by: RuleoftheBone Pilgrim or Curse. Mid-slot EWAR as appropriate. ECM drones til his cap is dead.
Lulz.....and **** his ***goty rules
Not that many chances you can keep a CNR perma-jammed with med ECM drones...
Note bold bit.
And perma-jammed is completely irrelevant as it dies the slow death of cap drain. A jam cycle here and there is enough to do the job.
But a Caldari-flying twerp like OP mentions wouldn't undock against a Pilgrim anyway.
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