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Zhav Xer
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Posted - 2009.11.07 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Zhav Xer on 07/11/2009 14:15:47 When training for a class of ship, say Battlecruiser (pve or pvp) is it better to train to get all the recommended certs for that ship, or training for just the skills needed for a fit (from battleclinic for example)? I know its good to have the certs, just wondering if its necessary.
Thanks!
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.07 15:01:00 -
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Helpful, but by no means required.
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Ruban Spangler
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.07 15:06:00 -
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The prerequisite skills needed to fly a ship or use a module from ęshow infoĘ Battle clinic or my favourite EVEMON are just that. The minimum skills required. The certificates on the other hand a better guide to making the best use out of a ship in a particular role by showing you the sorts of complimentary / support skills you will need to fly one well.
The certificates are not necessary but can be useful in guiding your training to ensure you can fly your BC well. For example flying a Drake is one thing, having the shield and missile skills to use it properly is another.
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Zhav Xer
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Posted - 2009.11.07 16:07:00 -
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Right, I get the intent of Certs, but if I train for a particular fit am I really going about it the best way. I see that certs would make me more well-rounded with a particular ship, but if I'm just training a particular fit am I going about it wrong?
Thanks!
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.11.07 16:19:00 -
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What are you using the fit for?
If it's pvp then not having decent support skills can cost you the fight. If its pve you can warp out if you need to and save your ship.
Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Zhav Xer
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Posted - 2009.11.07 16:58:00 -
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There are two fits I'm looking at, but primarily I will be doing PvE. Both fits have somewhat comparable training times, with 80% identical skills. I do want to make sure I have the supporting skills but at the same time I'd like be in a bc asap for both pvp and pve.
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Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.07 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zhav Xer There are two fits I'm looking at, but primarily I will be doing PvE. Both fits have somewhat comparable training times, with 80% identical skills. I do want to make sure I have the supporting skills but at the same time I'd like be in a bc asap for both pvp and pve.
Why?
Battlecruisers are by no means the ships best suited to level one or two missions, and PVP is best done in small ships for a good long while after starting the game. Don't be in too much of a rush to get in the bigger ships.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.11.08 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: Zhav Xer There are two fits I'm looking at, but primarily I will be doing PvE. Both fits have somewhat comparable training times, with 80% identical skills. I do want to make sure I have the supporting skills but at the same time I'd like be in a bc asap for both pvp and pve.
Why?
Battlecruisers are by no means the ships best suited to level one or two missions, and PVP is best done in small ships for a good long while after starting the game. Don't be in too much of a rush to get in the bigger ships.
Yes.
Use the right tool for the job.
Level I - Frigate/Destroyer Level II = Destroyer/Cruiser Level III= Battle Cruiser Level IV = Battleship.
THE most common mistake made by new people in this game - is progressing up the ship ladder faster than they are ready to. You can get in a big ship a lot faster than you can have the skills to make use of it - and - thinking that you are only going to use it in a certain, limited way, requiring only a small skill subset - is not very realistic even within just the PVE realm.
Also ... to paraphrase Trotsky "You may not be interested in PVP - but PVP is interested in YOU."
People in this game can look at the age of your character - look at the ship you are flying - and KNOW that you have no where near the skills and probably the experience to use that ship. They will then giggle with girlish glee as they prepare your doom.
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Harkwyth Mist
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.11.08 15:07:00 -
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Fittings gives me my minimum required skills.
I use certs as a guideline on what would be useful to have trained.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.08 22:46:00 -
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Put BOTH the fit and the certs into an EveMon plan and then go through to cull out what you don't need (e.g. multitasking appears in lots of certs but isn't really required unless you're flying a logistics ship or something else that justifies it).
The certs are a good guide, but by no means perfect.
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Pan Dora
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.08 23:04:00 -
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If you have all the certificates for the ship, you probably have the skills to fly the ship.
If you only have the minimal requirments it usually means that you have the skills to lose the ship.
Make your choice, deal with the consequences. _
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.11.09 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zhav Xer There are two fits I'm looking at, but primarily I will be doing PvE. Both fits have somewhat comparable training times, with 80% identical skills. I do want to make sure I have the supporting skills but at the same time I'd like be in a bc asap for both pvp and pve.
Well, like I said, in pve you can most always warp out. In pvp you probably won't have that luxary.
Like was said above, if you want to PVE, starting with a BC in L1s is ludicrous. BCs work well in L3s, and some people use them in L4s but they aren't as effective as BSs. If you are just starting L1s, use a frig or destroyer. L2s use a cruiser. L3s BCs. Now up to this poing you can pretty much jump into the ship as soon as you can fly and fit it and not really have much to worry about. If you do that with L4s you will die horribly. Before you start 4s make sure you have T2 drones to take care of any frigs that will scram you, and that your tank is half way decent.
Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Yarinor
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.09 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: Yarinor on 09/11/2009 01:41:58 What I do when training for a new ship.
1) Find/make the fit I wish to fly. 2) Train ALL skills related to that to level 3 (shipskill to 4 though, always ship skills at 4) 3) Get in ship and start selective level 4/5 training 4) Find a new ship to train for.
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Captain Tardbar
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.11.09 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Tardbar on 09/11/2009 16:37:40
Originally by: Dacryphile Like was said above, if you want to PVE, starting with a BC in L1s is ludicrous. BCs work well in L3s, and some people use them in L4s but they aren't as effective as BSs.
I disagree... If you can fly a BC or BS in a level 1 or 2 mission might as well do it if the gates allow it and then speed run missions until you get high enough standings to start doing level 3.
Really... No one needs to grind L1/L2 missions for anything other than standing because there is no ISK payout in mish reward, bounties, or salvage worth mentioning.
With a BC or BS you can usually speed run them in less than 5 minutes a piece by not salvaging and ignoring all secondary targets other than the mission objective.
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