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OldWolfe
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:10:00 -
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One day I was flying around in my Astarte in Dodixie when I suddenly had an idea, why not pay to dual train 2 characters on the same account?
Here's how I came to this idea: A lot of players already pay for 2 or more accounts and I am sure that there will be players willing to add more monthly payments just to train another character on the same account at the same time as the main character.
If and since CCP is about making profits off of this game, I don't see why CCP can't make micro transition profit off this method since they already do with players that pays for more than 1 account.
The upside to this is that even tho we can train two characters at the same time, we can't play them both at the same time. That should keep the account in check so to speak. For players that wants to have another character support the main character, that's where the second account comes in.
In the end, seems like a good idea for CCP to make more profit off of us while at the same time giving us a chance to play two different characters with different skills.
Everyone wins.
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CrayC
Gallente CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: OldWolfe Everyone wins.
Except for CCP.
See, when an online game add tells you that 117 million people are playing some uber game, it's not really 117 million people, but 117 million accounts. It could be 1 million peeps each having 117 accounts or it could be 117 peeps with a million accounts each. It doesn't matter, the advertisement value is in the number of accounts, not actual players. And as you've stated yourself, loads of EVE players have multiple accounts. Yet EVE is still promoted as a 300.000 PLAYER game. Not 300.000 ACCOUNTS, which would be more accurate.
It may seem like a stupid thing to many people, but that's just how this world works, unfortunately. And that's one of the many reasons CCP won't allow dual-training on one account...
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Another Liberthas
Caldari Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:21:00 -
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Okay. You can pay the same amount you pay for a second account, and for this, you gain the ability to train a second character on your first account.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Another Liberthas Okay. You can pay the same amount you pay for a second account, and for this, you gain the ability to train a second character on your first account.
Well yes but then why not have 2 accounts? I know the log in is a pain but two accounts does give a lot of benefits in this game.
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Another Liberthas
Caldari Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Another Liberthas Sarcasm
Originally by: Zartanic
Not getting the sarcasm
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OldWolfe
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC
Originally by: OldWolfe Everyone wins.
Except for CCP.
See, when an online game add tells you that 117 million people are playing some uber game, it's not really 117 million people, but 117 million accounts. It could be 1 million peeps each having 117 accounts or it could be 117 peeps with a million accounts each. It doesn't matter, the advertisement value is in the number of accounts, not actual players. And as you've stated yourself, loads of EVE players have multiple accounts. Yet EVE is still promoted as a 300.000 PLAYER game. Not 300.000 ACCOUNTS, which would be more accurate.
It may seem like a stupid thing to many people, but that's just how this world works, unfortunately. And that's one of the many reasons CCP won't allow dual-training on one account...
There are merits to what you're saying but we're now living in a gaming world of mirco transitions that even WoW is doing for many aspects of account controls, adjustment or what have you.
The point is, if we do dual train within the account, that's simply the account function which should be well within the mean of playing an account to it's full potential. Clearly games like WoW and DAoC and other online MMO had no issues with having more than 1 characters being leveled up. The only issue EVE has is the actual real life time it takes to train a character so it technically makes no sense to even have 2 additional character slots to skill up over time.
Thus the reason why such functional addition should be added to our account at whatever price CCP wants to charge it as since the function of such is still within the account.
Just find it disappointing every time I log on and see 2 characters I never skilled up on because I'm so busy with the main character that they just sit there useless because I don't want to miss any of the real life training time on the main character.
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:31:00 -
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I would go for that system too. And yes micro transactions seem to be the future. CCP will know that, arn't they doing something similar with Dust?
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JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:32:00 -
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The work that will be required to make this possible could be put to use elsewhere. There is simply no reason to make it possible if you can simply have a second account at the same cost, since there is no extra cost to making an account itself.
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OldWolfe
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: JonnyRandom The work that will be required to make this possible could be put to use elsewhere. There is simply no reason to make it possible if you can simply have a second account at the same cost, since there is no extra cost to making an account itself.
Don't assume that it will be the same cost as a second account when it is merely letting 1 more character train within an account. But if CCP wants to make it the exact same price as a second account then yeah that removes the logic out of micro transition account control of one's own singular account.
But really, if CCP is not going to do this system, then there is really no point in having 2 extra character slots on each account (minus the purpose of buying characters to add to that slot).
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:40:00 -
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meh!?
I'd rather just have 2 accounts, can log both in and do stuff.
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CrayC
Gallente CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: OldWolfe Clearly games like WoW and DAoC and other online MMO had no issues with having more than 1 characters being leveled up. The only issue EVE has is the actual real life time it takes to train a character so it technically makes no sense to even have 2 additional character slots to skill up over time.
IF you hadn't pointed out that EVE "level" in a different way than any other game, I sure would have 
The reason for those two extra slots is that you shouldn't be forced to get a second account if you want to do something different. It is entirely possible to train up a second and third character to whatever it is you want to do. If you need a character just to manipulate the market in Jita 4-4, go train max trade skills and never look back. If you want an expendable PVP character, go train frigate, MWD and web and you are all set. You don't NEED maxed out characters in all 3 slots for them to be useful. Yes, it would be way more fun if you could have 3 imba characters on the same account, but really, what good are they in the world of EVE if you can't use both at the same time?
It is far easier to multitask here than in most other MMOs, so get those accounts up and running. In a game like WOW, I'm not sure how many raidleaders would want you to bring a healer and tank to a raid and play both at the same time. In EVE, doing complexes is far easier if you run with multiple characters. One ship taking most of the aggro and doing all the damage, while having a remote rep/salvager following you around. Being able to control 2 characters in EVE at the same time is more often than not a benefit. Having your alts locked up on the same account is not pointless if they have a dedicated purpose. I just don't see the point...
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penifSMASH
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:44:00 -
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I'd happily pay for this. I'd like to train some stuff on same-account characters for let's say a month but I don't want and have no need for a dedicated third account. The other option is starting a third account, transfer a character onto it, train, transfer it back. That's not really feasible.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: penifSMASH I'd happily pay for this. I'd like to train some stuff on same-account characters for let's say a month but I don't want and have no need for a dedicated third account. The other option is starting a third account, transfer a character onto it, train, transfer it back. That's not really feasible.
because a goon put it in a way that made sense to me I am now going to have to agree with the op.
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OldWolfe
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC CrayC's thoughts
But that's only one side of the whole spectrum of this idea. Some people find it convenient to train for say 1 month as a guy just mentioned and he can pay a micro transition to train a second character a month just to "pad" up the skill of that second character so he doesn't have to rely on a second account by choice.
There are many benefits to the mirco transition idea of temporary training (or even long term training if CCP doesn't have a policy on it).
CCP can easily say "Only 1 month micro transition training per 3 month" or whatever they decide to keep the game fair by whatever standards is defining the "fair".
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: OldWolfe
Originally by: CrayC CrayC's thoughts
But that's only one side of the whole spectrum of this idea. Some people find it convenient to train for say 1 month as a guy just mentioned and he can pay a micro transition to train a second character a month just to "pad" up the skill of that second character so he doesn't have to rely on a second account by choice.
There are many benefits to the mirco transition idea of temporary training (or even long term training if CCP doesn't have a policy on it).
CCP can easily say "Only 1 month micro transition training per 3 month" or whatever they decide to keep the game fair by whatever standards is defining the "fair".
The microtransaction is 15 dollars a month, paid to keep account 2 open  you only need to use one account if you want to.. OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY! Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points |

OldWolfe
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
The microtransaction is 15 dollars a month, paid to keep account 2 open  you only need to use one account if you want to..
Then you're missing the point.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.09 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: OldWolfe
Originally by: CrayC CrayC's thoughts
But that's only one side of the whole spectrum of this idea. Some people find it convenient to train for say 1 month as a guy just mentioned and he can pay a micro transition to train a second character a month just to "pad" up the skill of that second character so he doesn't have to rely on a second account by choice.
There are many benefits to the mirco transition idea of temporary training (or even long term training if CCP doesn't have a policy on it).
CCP can easily say "Only 1 month micro transition training per 3 month" or whatever they decide to keep the game fair by whatever standards is defining the "fair".
The microtransaction is 15 dollars a month, paid to keep account 2 open  you only need to use one account if you want to..
and then potentially $20 to get the char transfered to your other account.
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destinationunreachable
Hello Kitty Fanclub
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Posted - 2009.11.09 07:27:00 -
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http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1026297/page/1#1
I'd love if it would be possible...
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OldWolfe
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.11.09 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: destinationunreachable http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1026297/page/1#1
I'd love if it would be possible...
Ah, great mind thinks alike. 
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Domoso
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Posted - 2009.11.09 10:27:00 -
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Why beat around the bush? How about allowing the second and third characters have skills paid for, no training time required. This is essentially what is being asked.
It's a real shame the second and third characters are useless. And they are useless. It's actually a waste of training time to train up one of those characters. You've got to train your learning skills, plus cybernetics, then onto whatever you want to train. I've go a trade character planned out in evemon. It's going to be a month and a half before its capable to do trading and that includes a decent industrial transport size.
I guess they're there so that, many years from now, when you've gotten your main character to some as yet identifiable point that you're complete satisfied with it's abilities you can then switch over and train one of the two useless slots you've been looking at. *shrugs*
CCP doesn't care how many characters you train simultaneously. So why should it limit you from training the two other slots? The only logical reason is money for the extra accounts. Those two extra slots are only there to bug you, goad you into buying an extra account. They remind you every day of what you "could" do with another account. And they confound you with putting a halt on training your main in order to train them. It's the itch that can't be scratched.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.11.09 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: OldWolfe
Originally by: destinationunreachable http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1026297/page/1#1
I'd love if it would be possible...
Ah, great mind thinks alike. 
Feeble ones too it seems.
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2009.11.09 11:25:00 -
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Why would CCP give you the option to pay $15 to train a 2nd character for a month, when they can get you to pay $15 for a second account and then get $20 when you transfer the 2nd character to your main account?
15 < 35 
For there to be any business potential in this for CCP, at least x2.33 more people would have to use the feature ( only looking at 1-month skillplan alts. The number is of course lower when we talk about multiple-month skillplan alts ).
Next on the list, CCP would have to be sure that providing this option doesn't cut down on the amount of people who discover that having a second account is a nice thing, and decide to keep the 2nd account instead of transferring the new market/salvage/whatever-alt to their main account. Not likely, when you give people the option to do this without ever starting a second account.
And last, like already mentioned, CCP would have to accept a lower growth in their "subscribed accounts".
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destinationunreachable
Hello Kitty Fanclub
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Posted - 2009.11.10 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pohbis Why would CCP give you the option to pay $15 to train a 2nd character for a month, when they can get you to pay $15 for a second account and then get $20 when you transfer the 2nd character to your main account?
15 < 35 
For there to be any business potential in this for CCP, at least x2.33 more people would have to use the feature ( only looking at 1-month skillplan alts. The number is of course lower when we talk about multiple-month skillplan alts ).
Next on the list, CCP would have to be sure that providing this option doesn't cut down on the amount of people who discover that having a second account is a nice thing, and decide to keep the 2nd account instead of transferring the new market/salvage/whatever-alt to their main account. Not likely, when you give people the option to do this without ever starting a second account.
And last, like already mentioned, CCP would have to accept a lower growth in their "subscribed accounts".
I think a 2nd account should keep its advantages as in playing with both accounts at the same time, different account models, subscriptions, etc...
If you look above in the linked thread from me some time ago, I suggest to be able to train a 2nd char at the expense of a PLEX. I would never train take an alt of me out of the main account, just to train it for a month or two, but just getting a PLEX in Jita and "off we go" would be tempting. Of course CCP doesn't get the twice character transfer fees, but I cannot imagine, that many people would do it anyway. I can rather see more GTCs being bought...
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OldWolfe
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.11.10 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: OldWolfe
Originally by: destinationunreachable http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1026297/page/1#1
I'd love if it would be possible...
Ah, great mind thinks alike. 
Feeble ones too it seems.
Only the feeble minded folks that thinks everyone else is feeble minded just to avoid their own living reality. 
For the most part, both sides of the issues seems to have many good merits and points on how the current structure works vs the proposed additional training on the same accounts.
Just seems to me to be an unusual arrangement with some logical reasons behind it that still makes it have the hints of illogicality anyways.
Again, this is EVE. I wont expect much changes from anyone's ideas unless it's a big goonblob mob that creates a 20+ page thread forcing CCP to look into it, regardless on if the topic of "desired" changes is for the good of EVE or not.
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Shanter
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Posted - 2009.11.10 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Shanter on 10/11/2009 19:57:51 Advantages of secound account:
- Training a second
character
- Dual-boxing
Cost: $14.95/month
Advantages of OP's plan:
- Training a second character
Cost: Say, $6.95/month?
I quite like the idea. You don't get all of the benefits of a second account, hence you pay less. If you want to dual-box, or run big industrial operations, you'd need to get another account but for people who want to try something else out and don't want to spend the full price for another account this would be a nice option. And giving your customers more ways to enjoy your product or service is almost never a bad idea. I particularly imagine that if they made it so that 1 PLEX allowed for 2 months of training time, the number of PLEXs bought and sold, and used, would go up.
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Aglarond
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Posted - 2009.11.10 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shanter Edited by: Shanter on 10/11/2009 19:57:51 Advantages of secound account:
- Training a second
character
- Dual-boxing
Cost: $14.95/month
Advantages of OP's plan:
- Training a second character
Cost: Say, $6.95/month?
I quite like the idea. You don't get all of the benefits of a second account, hence you pay less. If you want to dual-box, or run big industrial operations, you'd need to get another account but for people who want to try something else out and don't want to spend the full price for another account this would be a nice option. And giving your customers more ways to enjoy your product or service is almost never a bad idea. I particularly imagine that if they made it so that 1 PLEX allowed for 2 months of training time, the number of PLEXs bought and sold, and used, would go up.
You forgot to add the character slots gained from the second account. Those are invaluable. Abandon hope for the Caldari Race.
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Shanter
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Posted - 2009.11.10 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Aglarond
You forgot to add the character slots gained from the second account. Those are invaluable.
That's very true; one can't put a price on an alt with which to ****-poast. 
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.11.10 21:05:00 -
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1) old idea 2) wrong forum 3) why would I train a character on the same account which I can't use simultaniously 4) if you want another char, why would CCP give up on some of your money and allow dual account training when they can have all of it?
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Ubik Null
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.10 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton meh!?
I'd rather just have 2 accounts, can log both in and do stuff.
This ^^^^
If you had to pay more anyway, why not a second account (hauler for example). I'm guessing that with the increased efficiency you could earn enough isk to pay for the second account with a GTC. Perhaps you could train a logistics/salvager pilot to blast through lvl 4's, or even set up a scout if you PvP. I would even think that you could simply build pilots for other players and gain GTC's that way. A second account would seem more productive overall.
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Aglarond
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Posted - 2009.11.10 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shanter
Originally by: Aglarond
You forgot to add the character slots gained from the second account. Those are invaluable.
That's very true; one can't put a price on an alt with which u***o*-poast. [:Dh][/qutote]
Although that IS a benefit... Those other slots have very useful purposes. Every serious manufacturer is going to be using those slots.
I have 4 accounts. Every one of my accounts has a POS gunner/Cyno alt which is extremely useful. Every one of my accounts has a toon that can run 10 production lines with prod efficiency 5, and capital ship construction 3, and run 10 research/copy jobs for all T1. Every one of my accounts has a toon that can pilot a freighter with 2 that can us JF's.
Abandon hope for the Caldari Race.
It's always a bitter moment when something gets nerfed. Not because CCP decided something genuinely needed an adjustment, but because somewhere some whiner is g
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