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Vimple
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Posted - 2009.11.09 17:48:00 -
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So some friends and I are wanting to start roaming low-sec. Since we are all Caldari we have come to the conclusion that a group of PvP fit drakes may do nicely. My question is. Would a Trio of cookie cutter T2 fot PvP HAM drakes with a HML drake with dual TP's be provide adiquate mobility and DPS for low sec roams.
-V
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Neuronai
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Posted - 2009.11.09 18:00:00 -
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Should do ok, but you might find it useful to have at least 1 dedicated tackler. Preferably an Interceptor.
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Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact Kairakau
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Posted - 2009.11.09 18:05:00 -
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It'll work fine, but your hardest task may be rooting out the moron that brings a fully passive fit, uber-tanked, loldps drake before he gets the rest of you killed.
No need for HMLs, fit em all HAMs and TPs. Bring a sensor boosted onyx if you can (scripted infinite point), to catch those pesky warp stabbed haulers full of t2 bpos.
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Vimple
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Posted - 2009.11.09 22:04:00 -
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None of the pilots will be in passive tanks I am doing a standard fit and will screen them before we set out on any serious ops. The reason for the single HML drake was to kind of keep someone at range that would provide the TP's. Also allows someone to just sit back and lob missiles from range while paying attention to local. I mean focusing intently on local and the groups current surroundings.
-V
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.11.09 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vimple None of the pilots will be in passive tanks I am doing a standard fit and will screen them before we set out on any serious ops. The reason for the single HML drake was to kind of keep someone at range that would provide the TP's. Also allows someone to just sit back and lob missiles from range while paying attention to local. I mean focusing intently on local and the groups current surroundings.
-V
You're mostly going to be fighting at gates, so you're probably not going to get range. I was thinking the HML Drake might be in order to shoot targets at range, which could possibly be useful. In practice you aren't going to kill anything that's more than 24-28km out, but if somebody's gang has an e-war cruiser 70km off the gate, you'd be able to force it to leave. Is it worth it? I'm not sure.
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.11.09 22:56:00 -
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3 Drakes with HAMs with proper dmg/buffer ratio could cause some carnage lol.
Gangs of drakes do work but by gangs i mean 20+ with bassy and scimitar support.
You have a spare high, I would fit RR's or neuts in there aswell to make sure your gang works as a team rather than just focus fire and hope.
Goodluck, Gib
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Brent riper
Caldari Night Wolves Deprived of Existence by Mercenaries of the Night
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Posted - 2009.11.09 23:28:00 -
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jst as a side note. a good idea if you are gonna be using drakes would be to toss in light ecm drones. usualy helps if u get something u may not be able to handle, really helps.
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Vimple
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Posted - 2009.11.10 02:17:00 -
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Ahh that brings up on question that I did have. As to what drones to bring. Personally i was thinking light logistics. as the drake's would only be buffer tanked. That would allow each ship to have 15 of them on it at once. That would give with my math an added 180 shield persecond on top of the 140-180 natural peak recharge on a buffer/DPS drake gives it a passable tank. Now qould the 20 light ECM drones maybe be better. Plus the ECM drones could be used to jam any ECM ships.
-V
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Jared D'Uroth
Minmatar Universal Peace Operation
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Posted - 2009.11.10 08:12:00 -
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What you need is a Scimitar pilot. ===
Quote: I think the point [of t3] was that your foes would never know how you were fit, adding the element of surprise. Like, surprise!!! I decided to go with EHP and DPS.
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lilizo
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.10 09:06:00 -
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This looks to be the next small gang meme. Beware the friendly Gang-O-Apoc(Guardians). |
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.11.10 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Vimple None of the pilots will be in passive tanks I am doing a standard fit and will screen them before we set out on any serious ops. The reason for the single HML drake was to kind of keep someone at range that would provide the TP's. Also allows someone to just sit back and lob missiles from range while paying attention to local. I mean focusing intently on local and the groups current surroundings.
-V
You're mostly going to be fighting at gates, so you're probably not going to get range. I was thinking the HML Drake might be in order to shoot targets at range, which could possibly be useful. In practice you aren't going to kill anything that's more than 24-28km out, but if somebody's gang has an e-war cruiser 70km off the gate, you'd be able to force it to leave. Is it worth it? I'm not sure.
It is. ECM boats and other recons, stealth bombers, annoying interceptors.
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Roos Stormshadow
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Posted - 2009.11.10 16:44:00 -
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I like the idea of one HML drake for threatening blackbirds. Put a shield harmonizing link on the HML drake also.
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Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact Kairakau
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Posted - 2009.11.10 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Roos Stormshadow I like the idea of one HML drake for threatening blackbirds. Put a shield harmonizing link on the HML drake also.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2009.11.10 17:21:00 -
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Assuming I read your post correctly, there'll be 4 of you? I'd go 2ham 2hml. HML gives so much more range for only a slight drop in dps (50-100 iirc). The HAMdrakes should prolly have scrams+webs while HMLdrakes should have 24k point. My reasoning for this: Any kiting ship should have a lot of trouble keeping range on both the HAM drakes while HMLdrakes are firing on them. The biggest problem I find with the cookie cutter hamdrakes are going up against longrange/kiting HACs or recons. Also, HML drakes can be fitted with FOF's which mean ewar is less effective against them.
I dunno about the TP, but 1-2 TP could be useful instead of tackle, if you already have enough tackle on your other ships.
Originally by: salva dore Cloak should not be AFK solution. What do you think?
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.11.10 17:43:00 -
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Yeah, four Drakes. Two HAM Drakes with MWD, web and scrambler; two HM Drakes with MWD, painter and disruptor (aargh CPU).
TBH, an interdiction manoeuvres link would probably be much better than the stacking-nerfed and not-very-useful-anyway shield harmony link.
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Vimple
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Posted - 2009.11.10 20:31:00 -
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For warfare links i was leaning toward either one of the skirmish or a siege not sure though. Still haven't made up my mind on the drones though. For them should i max out DPS, go ECM, or a bit of logistics.
-V
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.11 00:32:00 -
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Always go light drones (damage) for Drake gangs. They let you sick drones on small support while you lob your missiles at primaries.
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Roos Stormshadow
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Posted - 2009.11.11 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III TBH, an interdiction manoeuvres link would probably be much better than the stacking-nerfed and not-very-useful-anyway shield harmony link.
Even better! I hate that links are stacking penalized.
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Chapters
Haunted House Gypsy Nation
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Posted - 2009.11.12 06:59:00 -
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As a dedicated drake PVP'er can i suggest that you actually only use HML drakes, depending on skill level you can reach a good mix of damage v tank. my pvp HML set up does over 520 dps with a 550 perm tank - times that by 4 and you have one hell of a gang. also if your working as a team have 2 ships set up with the tackle (unless you have a dedicated tackle) and have the other 2 ships with TP's.
just my opinion... it would ofcourse depend on your skill levels. being that your new to low sec having a ship that can tank a fight and or gate/station guns would be better than a buffer HAM setup.
I also find HML are far better due to FOF missiles.. as you no longer need to worry about someone with ECM..
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.12 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Chapters my pvp HML set up does over 520 dps with a 550 perm tank - times that by 4 and you have one hell of a gang.
Bolded part is where you went wrong. Do share what setup that is. _________________________
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.11.12 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Gypsio III on 12/11/2009 08:46:00
Originally by: Suas
Originally by: Chapters my pvp HML set up does over 520 dps with a 550 perm tank - times that by 4 and you have one hell of a gang.
Bolded part is where you went wrong. Do share what setup that is.
I just checked on Battleclinic. It's a bog-standard passive carebear lolfit with SPRs and insufficient tackle.
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Vimple
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Chapters As a dedicated drake PVP'er can i suggest that you actually only use HML drakes, depending on skill level you can reach a good mix of damage v tank. my pvp HML set up does over 520 dps with a 550 perm tank - times that by 4 and you have one hell of a gang. also if your working as a team have 2 ships set up with the tackle (unless you have a dedicated tackle) and have the other 2 ships with TP's.
just my opinion... it would ofcourse depend on your skill levels. being that your new to low sec having a ship that can tank a fight and or gate/station guns would be better than a buffer HAM setup.
I also find HML are far better due to FOF missiles.. as you no longer need to worry about someone with ECM..
Your tank is only that high most likely due to the use of shield power relays or purger rigs. and i am not going with either module. or you have your EFT set to all 5's. I will make a suggestion for you though don't mission run and PvP in the same ship without swapping out your modules first. Oh and if I insalted you well i don't care you made a foolish assumption. I am not new to either low sec or PvP. I am just wondering about a drake gang cause I want to get my group on the same page. My only reason for opening this topic in the first place was to find out effectiveness of this style gang and what drones, gang links we should have. the actual drake fittings I already have.
-V
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.11.12 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vimple Oh and if I insalted you well i don't care
-V
Quoted for posterity. Oh how I lol'd.
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Vimple
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:03:00 -
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Dang so I i can't spell and 3AM crap. Well the coffee has been aplenty and im in an awesome mood. Thought about editing my above post to fix the typo of insalted to insulted but i like it better my way. It just tastes better with the added seasoning. Thanks to all who had helpful tips will post some pew-pew kills when we get some. Prob won't be for about 2-3 weeks since some of the guys need to train for the T2 HML/HAM.
VR -V
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