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Starxplorer
Gallente The Circle Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:28:00 -
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CCP this is a alt. i got this char to fly my mothership and i been doing so for ALLMOST 2 years.
problem is, i BARELY play at all because this ship is useless as it is today.
what you want to do is simply forcing me to SELF DESTRUCT before dominion because no way in hell im going to keep paying a account TO BE OFFLINE because some stupid ass dev came up with a brain emorage.
remove this changes!!!!
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nianra
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:31:00 -
[302]
I don't fly capitals, i cannot fly them :) but anyways.
I do believe that Titans are now much less useful as they are not even able to kill stupid people, they will have only a few kills in their entire existence and those kills will most likely not be as expensive as the titan itself in the first place. It could've happened if Motherships (Let's all protest against that "Supercapital" name) would acutally be used against titans. Wich is obviously not going to be the case.
btw: while reading this post it increased by one page :p
anyways i wonder what will happen if the patch gets delayed, i am sure alot of alliances planned an invasion in December :p
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:31:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Soi Mala
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
do you want a refund on your battleships when the trit prices plummet too? things change. CCP isng going to "refund" people who spent the old price on the ship. At the time you bought your ship, you pid what it was worth in that market. Now you're upset because someone is going to be able to buy the same ship for less. Boy I hope you dont go to your supermarket and cry that you were 2 weeks late to the sales week...
Nice troll, but a little applied logic makes you look very silly indeed.
You see, trit prices fluctuate due to supply and demand, it is sold for what the player believes is a fair price for his mining efforts, and ties in with the player driven sandbox environment. This change however has nothing to do with the sandbox, nothing to do with the players... It is simply CCP doing something, for some reason which no-one can quite figure out.
I seem to remember CCP unplugging snake implants from peoples heads in the nano nerf, because the nature of the changes directly affected their usefullness. It's not entirely unreasonable to expect the same this time around. I'd wager that there are far fewer supercap pilots to reimburse now, than there were snake pilots back then.
except the prices fluctuated because ccp directly boosted the spwan rate of veldspar.
and OH GOD what has ccp done, almost everyone agreeing with mittens. (or perhaps even more surprising, mittens seriously posting)
if anything keep super carriers as initially proposed, and wait for whine threads about them being over powered.
if anything think of poor chribba, he will only be able to use 10 mining drones
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Buxaroo
Gallente The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 12/11/2009 15:34:36 And THIS dear friends is why a man with a spreadsheet should not be given a job to 'balance' something only the most experienced players in the game fly.
Nozh If you are SO confident that your decision is right, give us the option to reprocess them into components at our nearest empire hangar as part of the startup for Dominion and let us decide for ourselves.
Myn
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I want my ****ing 2 months of game play back from grinding to get the mothership after going on test server making me decide that the ship was ACTUALLY worth flying. I want to dock BEFORE patch day and reprocess the piece of **** ship. Or, I want to be able to DOCK and INSURE the piece of **** ship and SELF DESTRUCT it so I can at least get my isk back that I just wasted for nothing.
See, I came to this game after SOE anal ****d Star Wars Galaxies with the NGE and I posted on the forums that if they didn't change the game to where it was I would quit and never look back. And I did. Well right now I am in the same position as I was then. Once I make a decision, I don't look back. Never. Either give us mothership pilots, and ESPECIALLY those who bought one AFTER the initial test server buff, a way to get our isk back. There is NO excuse to massively **** us in the ass like this. I have been the biggest CCP fanboy sense I came to this game. But that has all changed with this **** up you call Dominion.
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The Kan
Gallente Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:31:00 -
[305]
CCP 1 more thing:
if you keep this changes, mark my words: I WILL SELF DESTRUCT. i do not want to keep paying a account to be OFFLINE all the time, day and night.
i simply refuse to do that anymore.
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Skags
Minmatar Conflagration. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:32:00 -
[306]
This make me feel almost as good as the medical reform in the USLike obama attacking almost 66% of his voting base with this reform you guys have attacked an up and coming player base that would bring some more fun to this game and slapped them all.
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Kel Arkir
Biotronics Inc. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:38:00 -
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Funny sidenote, in an all out escape situation, the survivability due to no 20 heavy ECM drones at disposal is even lower than it is *now* even with the HP boost.
Hell, for a long time I thought Fighterbombers are not assignable so Motherships are actually forced to engage in battle and you know, maybe loose it.........
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nilie
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: The Kan CCP 1 more thing:
if you keep this changes, mark my words: I WILL SELF DESTRUCT. i do not want to keep paying a account to be OFFLINE all the time, day and night.
i simply refuse to do that anymore.
same
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Angel HUN
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:39:00 -
[309]
Let them dock.
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Ryan Coolness
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:41:00 -
[310]
Still hoping they come to their senses, also feels odd to agree with mittens and kartoon, but these are strange days :P
Anyway provided CCP actually go through with this, the very least they can do is to run a script and give every mom/sc owner the difference in captial components between the current TQ and the new build costs available over the "redeem item" function.
The mechanics for that are in place, it can be easily done, so if they chose to do not even that we probably have to assume they just want to mock mom/sc owners and cheat them out of their considerable investment.
The signal this will send is a pretty bad one, part of fun in eve is working to achieve something be it material or skill wise and if CCP does not reimburse mom/sc owners when they devalue the thing they worked hard to achieve they send a pretty clear signal that working to achive anything in eve is pointless as it will prolly just get devalued at a whim anyway.
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Lialem
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:41:00 -
[311]
We will get supercarrier docking facilities noob, they WILL be able to dock, just not in outposts. Rofl at all those ignorant flamers.
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Manfred Sideous
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Angel HUN Let them dock.
Wasnt enough time to work that into the expansion. Which is another reason im pleading for dominion to be pushed back. I can link video clips of the whole excellence vs expedience approach CCP touted during fanfest. Yet here they are contradicting themselves with clear expedience with there action on the sov system and supercapitals. ______________________________
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Angel HUN
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Manfred Sideous
Originally by: Angel HUN Let them dock.
Wasnt enough time to work that into the expansion. Which is another reason im pleading for dominion to be pushed back. I can link video clips of the whole excellence vs expedience approach CCP touted during fanfest. Yet here they are contradicting themselves with clear expedience with there action on the sov system and supercapitals.
I was there :-)
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Ap0ll0n
Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Fleur D'oranger You know, I've been playing MMOs about 10 years now and if I had an isk for every emorage "ima quit with my 20 accounts" post I've ever seen, I could own a fleet of these.
This isn't going to ruin the game. It effects, what? 1% of the player base, if that?
This doesn't ruin the ship. It does make it less of a solo pwnmobile, but then there aren't supposed to be any of those.
As I see it, these changes are right in line with the overall direction of Dominion, which is to reduce the gap between the haves and the have nots which has become so polarized that the end-game is getting stagnant.
If Dominion does what the devs envision, which is to reduce the amount of mega-power-block blob fests and instigate more frequent, smaller scale conflicts between powers who only hold a constellation or two, these are still going to be very powerful in that kind of theater. A half-dozen of them RRing each other while camping a Sov marker is going to be pretty damn tough for a local power to counter.
If you speculated on buying one before the changes were final, you gambled on being the first in your block, and lost. Boo-Hoo. If you don't like the way the class is being repositioned, Leeroy yours against the enemy of your choice, collect your insurance, and get on with life.
CCP has always been a fire..aim..aim..aim..aim..aim. kind of organization. Yeah, there are blunders that have to get fixed, but year after year, the game keeps getting better, and the player base keeps getting bigger. Outside of WoW, no other MMO in existance can make either of those claims.
Take your meds, get some fresh air or God forbid a little exercise, and you'll feel better. The sky is not falling.
Please stop posting on subjects you clearly have no ****ing clue about. Seriously.
Screw the damn fighter changes that are being made to the ships, they are terrible, but still a lot more usefull than they have ever been. The problem lies within the cost reduction. CCP are trying to get popular by reducing cost of these ships, so that more people can buy and fly them. This is terrible because a) a SC is "special", its not supposed to be in the hands of everyone, and b) people who already own a SC have instantly lost 5-6b.
Try to look a bit further than the tip of your own nose. Thank you.
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Sternin Mantur
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:47:00 -
[315]
PLEASE, someone already fire the guy that is coming up with all this brilliant ideas, and f*ucking hire someone that actually plays the game and knows what spending 15B in a ship is. Also, if he knows this is a game, and not a JOB (to maintain sov), it would be appreciated. THANK YOU.
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Sarah Norbulk
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:47:00 -
[316]
I still want to know how CCP came to the conclusion that S-Carriers were OPed. There was nothing posted about the being OPed after the super cap tests, yet here we are with **** getting nerfed again with no reason.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:47:00 -
[317]
I really feel sorry for you guys and I'm starting to get ****ed off, because CCP is so lazy, that they refuse to make new ships for new roles. Instead they thought it was a better idea to trick their customers to come look at the cute bunnies in the van and instead of having bunnies they jump on them and **** them with a razorblade dildo. Why would they be upset about it?
I love you CCP, but if you were a human, you would have to be put down because your brain doesn't have enough power to keep the body alive.
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Soleil Fournier
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:48:00 -
[318]
Edited by: Soleil Fournier on 12/11/2009 17:54:57
Ok here is my constructive feedback:
This ship is a "supercapital." They thus far have been 16+ billion isk + fittings + fighters which tend to get destroyed and must be replaced. I have invested 30 billion into my ship, and my character has sat at a pos for the last year and a half waiting for the ship to be worthwhile.
Are you going to make up for all the hard work I put into this ship based on your promises to fix it, to improve it and make it better? Are you going to reimburse me?
You have never hit a ship with the nerf bat harder than right now. And for what? Motherships are incapable of combat on live. And this change makes them incapable of combat going forword.
I cannot believe that you have done this change and I'm about to leave eve over it because this is too crushing. Capital combat is what I love to do. And I spent so much time and energy into this ship waiting for the day I could take it out on the field. Now that day won't ever come, and the money I've invested into it is just gone.
You must reconsider. Revert the changes and at least let us play with them on live. If they're overpowered (which they won't be due to the inability to tank anything) nerf em. But for gosh sakes let us have our chance and see!
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Aphrodite Whiterose
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:55:00 -
[319]
I buy titan skill books and 2 weeks later massive boost to moms. I then buy a mom and 4 weeks later a massive nerf to moms.
The reduction in build cost is another kick in the face after we were told it was just going to be the removal of the clone vat bay comps. Instead they are going to be worth under a third of what they are now? Thats ridiculous.
Pro tip CCP, no one uses DCUs because they suck and the highs are needed for things like smarties and neuts, unless you start making DCUs to be +5 fighters/bombers each then they still wont get used as you sacrifice too much for them.
Current self destruct payout for Aeon is just over 5.1b.....
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Soldur
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:55:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Sarah Norbulk Nozh's excuse for the nerf was they wanted a ship to kill MOVING capitals. I sense a slight flaw with idea as during a capital fight...get this...NO ONE IS ****ING MOVING. If you actually played your game you would realize that the role you're trying to fill doesn't exist.
LOL sadly this is true the servers cant handle it
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Grekken
Caldari Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:56:00 -
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If a MOM is that cheep there will be fleets of 50 MOMs that with Remote reps will tank ANYTHING. Think of a 50 MOM fleet walking through EVE killing all it wants, you wouldnt be able to counter it. EVE 0.0 would die and with it the playerbase -----------------------------------------------
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Shmak DatAsh
Malus Exitium Consortium.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:57:00 -
[322]
I did it cuz Kneto told me to...
Bu srsly! Dont fix wat isnt broken.. fo rizzle!!
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Shiftless
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:57:00 -
[323]
Welp... I was working on a Wyvern. I mean a week ago MS/SC were really nice. Finally useful. Now? With the loss of fighters/fighter-bombers and the associated DPS it just isn't worth it. 5bn or 16bn doesn't matter, they are utterly worthless (still).
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:57:00 -
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If I was Morsus Mihi I'd just, instead of putting 40bil (approx) into a Titan, just bouild 8 supercarriers instead. Spam them to all your Carrier 4+ pilots, and you can field 50 xMoms with 4mil+ hp each. Put some twenty large t2 bubbles on the gates and you have done everything CCP is trying to avoid with these changes;
Cheaper xMoms, ewar immunity, hp buff, it's all promoting blobtactics - and the new sov mechanics is (again) promoting the spaceholding 0.0 blobs that don't try to attack.
I know it's all cool with endgame goals and so, but isn't all these changes to titans to try counter the 'fortress 0.0'? So, you make the xMoms into the new titans (but worse for smaller entities)? WTF is up with the blob and stationary-pvp love? Roaming PvP, aggressive and attacking PvP, shouldn't that be the department that gets love?
Then prices for xMoms need to go up. Then damage should be primary over self-defence (even tho I hate saying that, I don't want mine more vulnerable, but it does make sense). And all the talk about the new x-specific bays (fuel bay, ore bay, etc), shouldn't it be damn easy to make an xMom have a FB-bay that gets max 10, Fighter max 20, and rest drones have a limited amount so the pilot can chose their preferred regular drone setup (diversity)?
I claim here that we'll see NC field more than 50 xMoms in home systems before February. And I claim here that they'll soon be nerfed after that so they get even worse for everyone that isn't blobbing. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Ryan Powers
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:58:00 -
[325]
Nothing "super" about these changes. :[
This may not reach the ridiculous number of pages the sov response thread got, but it's going to be all the 0.0 entities agreeing it's more terrible than Atlas' ability to tackle something.
I'm mainly curious as to the content of the conversation that led to this decision.
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Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:59:00 -
[326]
Now that I'm past the initial rage at CCP for reversing one of the few good things Dominion was bringing, here is some real constructive feedback.
There might be a place in the game for a 5b capital killer but it should not come at the cost of the 15b mothership class.
So do this: Create this 5b ship that is in between Carriers and Motherships. Call them supercarriers. This ship should be able to dock anywhere like a carrier. It should not be fully insurable.
Leave motherships alone and continue to call them motherships. If anything, buff them further and make them more expensive.
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Jack Sparroxx
Honour Bound Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.11.12 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Sparroxx on 12/11/2009 18:03:45 actually .. this is one thing people have forgotten to talk about.
This is a thought up exsample.
Reducing the cost for a "supercarrier" to lets say 5billion isk will be one of the most game breaking things ever in this game. 5billion is AFFORDBLE for lost of individuals.. Lets scale it up to Alliance lvl. PL could probably afford 50 AEON's no biggie, and god knows they have enough renters in fountain to feed them minerals.
50 AEONS, with +4mill effective armor hitpoint when you use slaves. Thats is 500fightbombers worth of damage plus 200MILLION armor hitpoints.. they are EWAR imune, so they cant be jammed, which mean they can RR armor and cap to each other til the end of days and not give a f.. It will be way more then 200million hitpoint you need to break.. and with 500 fighter bombers, try and dig up a cap fleet that can break that and survive at the same time.
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Kythren
Jelly Baby Corporation Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.12 18:02:00 -
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so this is going to be like on every other mmo? people complaining on forums about a stupid decision and devs only give them three posts, one which contains a forum moderator ranting about peoples anger and one from a dev trying to cover the moderators back?
seriously i'm impressed.
on topic: ive seen a lot of people being eager to get a mothership, and along with carrier support they might actually be a good alternative to rr-bs blobbing enemy capitals. but hey that would mean you will need LESS people doing pvp and therefore also less subscriptions. its only "understandable"(its in " because it actually isn't) that ccp does this change, who would want less $$$ in an economic crisis which got your country to run out of money? did you actually buy shares of Iceland already, i bet you could.
PS: to stevieg: images not related to eve in signatures and then there is the part about "personal opinion" i haven't seen that image, but the person would most likely posted it because it actually IS his personal opinion? seriously, how boring can your job be... no u! |
Sir JoJo
Minmatar x13
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Posted - 2009.11.12 18:03:00 -
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im just putting my 2 cent, LOL @ all the whine, looks like some great changes, to both moms and titan, looking forward to see suppercarriers getting a real role, as anti capital whit no siege,
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DOARota
Gallente BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.12 18:04:00 -
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1)Lure a former SC pilot into the design team. 2)Create several changes within the titan/mothership classes to render them useful. 3)Convince the player base to fight through lag on sisi to test them and offer feedback. 4)Insert brutal nerf with no player feedback/testing and call it final. This is a flowchart of failure, no? I work with alot of people in r/l and this sounds all too familiar. 1)You brought in an outsider with extensive knowledge of how supercaps work. 2) He made changes that really helped the ship classes and excited the player base. 3)The guy who used to do this job emoraged and pulled rank to completely destroy his success.In a final blow he not only reversed the changes but actually made the 2 ship classes markedly worse, just as a warning not to **** on his patch of grass again.
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