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Angelus X
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Arcanim Al'Seif I have just had a corpie point this out with reference to the docking games:
[18:31:11] XXXX > i just realized... in dominion you need to destroy outposts to conquer sov (if there is one in the system) ... moms can dock there.... welcome to epic docking games
This.. is a good point, I take back what I posted last, any kind of docking = awful, unless you remove the ability for MS to play dock/undock games.
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Tappits
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:46:00 -
[932]
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.
Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:
- Explosion Velocity: 60
- Damage: 3200
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
That's all for now.
-Nozh
Realy, Never post agane
+3 per level no docking 10+bill isk
infact don't even change them from the stats off TQ tbo as you have no clue what your on about. ---------------------------------------------- Pro BOB????? I fail At forums |
Captain Plumb
Gallente Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:46:00 -
[933]
This is not a good decision. Letting SC's dock opens the way for even more docking games, the very thing CCP was trying to fix by nerfing the Moros' drone damage bonus.
Roll the SC's back to the first iteration you had for them on SiSi and everyone is happy.
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Vladameir
Caldari Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:46:00 -
[934]
Let me preface again by saying im sitting in a wyvern right now. I tried the old changes and IMHO they worked great.. Dont change it but if you do:
BIGGEST GRIPE - FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, Please refund the difference in parts for people owning one or building one right now. Dont be lazy and flat out refuse the difference.. Run a script of people who have one on their character then give them items redeemed. Even if its ME0 of their ship It would be much more fair. For the ones building refund the difference to the capital ship hangar.
Docking - NONONO.. it would be nice.. but again station docking games big no no with the HP of this size of ship.
Drones/F/FB - 20 was best.. It really gave this ship a place. 15 is a sad plea to the community to accept some sort of changes you are wanting to do..
for the most part I totally agree with Lynn's post
Originally by: Lynn de'Marco My opinions on the latest changes (as an owner of a supercarrier)
Docking - No no no no no, i know this would make my life a lot easier but supercarrier docking games will be rubbish.
2 drones per level - better but i stil would like 3
Nozh - the idea of a mobile anti capital platform is an interesting one.. Just don't do it to the current Super Carriers.. Create a new class of carrier for it.. 2-3bil for the ship that can field 10 drones with much less HP that can dock is a much better and balanced Idea. Call it a difference class of carrier.. make the current carriers logistics carriers then make the new one some form of anti capital carrier but without the logistics capabilities.
reimbursement - no, i'd still rather have them worth their current build cost even if CCP were to add the difference in value to my wallet. supercap blobs will be horrible.
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Sternin Mantur
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:46:00 -
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What part of "everyone was happy with the first changes" are you missing? What's the problem?
Now seriously, step down as game designer. I'm sure there are other things you can do ok, but this is not one of them.
Fly safe.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: fuze Looks like someone passed the failsauce again.
looks like they spilled it on your keyboard lol
Originally by: Iroku Mata Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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Arronicus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:47:00 -
[937]
Originally by: Angelus X Edited by: Angelus X on 13/11/2009 18:24:28
Originally by: CCP Nozh HFurthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
Unless you found a way to tie this in with a reduced cost for new skills, or modules that mothership pilots may end up using now or in the future, i'm strongly against this idea.
People knew from the start the cost of the mothership was going down. Nobody was complaining then because they assumed their mothership was about to become a pwnmobile. Sure 6 bil instead of what, 9-12bil it was supposed to be is a bigger reduction than most people were expected or told, but suddenly they should get that ISK back because CCP are bending over after a mistake on their own part? As an alliance mate of mine says; "they gonna reimburse me for teh cnr i payed a bil for 3 years ago?" or how about reimbursing people who own falcon BPOs since the falcon got nerfed? or any of the other hundreds of nerfs that have occured over the years. I think not
For those people who have invested in a mothership since the first information was leaked about a motehrship boost.. sorry, but suck it up! Over the years a f**kton of people have invested ISK based on dev blogs, suggestions, rumors, of things to change in new releases, and plenty have been burned before, you aren't the first. (Not to mention the fact a lot of MS have been built by taking advantage of the fact Sov 4 still exists, perhaps the risk of waiting till after dominion compared to the risk of loosing your MS in build was one that should have been examined closer..)
So, changes, yes! better changes than at the start of this thread, yes!, reimbursement, No!
My 0.02$
Best Post. Its true, people knew what they are in for, this has happened many times before with slightly less expensive ships or modules. To reimburse this one little group of rich people, would be just silly.
3 per level, no docking! /signed
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Pattern Clarc
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 13/11/2009 18:49:56
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
You say this like it's a GOOD game design decision to require people to have multiple alts to play a game.
It's not, nonetheless it was the only thing holding back proliferation.
If they really want them to be tier 3 carriers, there'll have to nerf the **** out of the current incarnation so that they have base stats similar to villina carriers... And leave a pile of components and minerals at the pilots clone base as compensation.
Also
Removing stations from having anything whatsoever to do with sov would be a good move.
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Kerdrak
Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:48:00 -
[939]
I WANT AN ANGEL CARTEL CARRIER. ________________________________________
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:48:00 -
[940]
holy **** lolz, docking super carriers.... oh dear god....
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MAX MEXX
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:51:00 -
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This was ccp's idea:
"Hey lett's make them realy bad again. But first lets make them realy realy crap, and after the forum whorage we can add a bitt more dps and make them happy "
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Angelus X
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vladameir Please refund the difference in parts for people owning one or building one right now.
Why should people be refunded for taking an investment risk and failing? The claim for reimbursement is almost as ridiculous as Nozh's postings.
Stick the MS price back up to 10 bil+ No Docking. Fighter-bomber damage more comparable to the original changes. Calm seething masses of angry MS pilots. Success!
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Letifer Deus
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:54:00 -
[943]
Originally by: tx eight
Originally by: Hatsumi Kobayashi Free CCP Abathur
No, really. Free him.
pretty please? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.13 18:55:00 -
[944]
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.
Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:
- Explosion Velocity: 60
- Damage: 3200
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
That's all for now.
While these changes do make the supercarrier better, it only makes the problem itself worse. I refer you to my previous post.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1212602&page=23#690
By 1) Reimbursing existing supercapital owners, 2) Keeping the reduction in buildcost and 3) Making supercarriers able to dock, you not only add the equivalent of several trillions worth of ISK to the eve economy, much of which will be used to build additional supercarriers, you also make supercarriers even MORE accessible to the playerbase, which further increases the mass proliferation that will occur.
I know that my corporation alone could easily field somewhere between 50 and 100 supercarriers within a year if these changes go into effect, and we'll have to if we want to remain a power in 0.0. My alliance could field literally hundreds of these things. When hundreds of these things are deployed on a single battlefield, just like carriers and dreadnoughts are fielded today, how do you think 0.0 warfare will look like? Do you think any kind of subcapital force will stand a chance? What about even normal capitals?
Yes, docking is absolutely the worst thing that could've been suggested. These make ANYONE able to own a supercarrier, as opposed to the relatively few players that have the ability to dedicate an account for this.
The higher pricepoint of motherships, along with the no-docking part ensures that they are STILL a very exclusive item. Keep them that way.
This will only result in breaking 0.0, which will require another nerf to these things in the future, once again pushing them into oblivion. This is inevitable.
Revert the latest iteration to the changes that Noah and Abathur proposed at fanfest. They were hailed as a balanced and fair boost to the supercapitals while still not being too overpowered. --
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Chagaline
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:04:00 -
[945]
Originally by: Dirk Culliford
Originally by: Hatsumi Kobayashi Free CCP Abathur
quoting
I think I speak on the behalf of most of the 0.0 playerbase when I say that you shouldn't dabble in stuff that you don't understand Nozh, and when you get out please take these hideous mom changes with you
indeed.
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kapten sortebil
Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:05:00 -
[946]
Originally by: MAX MEXX This was ccp's idea:
"Hey lett's make them realy bad again. But first lets make them realy realy crap, and after the forum whorage we can add a bitt more dps and make them happy "
Win ^^
And also.
Free CCP Abathur
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Kieselguhr Kid
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:05:00 -
[947]
Edited by: Kieselguhr Kid on 13/11/2009 19:05:22
Originally by: Moctobot docking games with a 30m hp 6000dps ship that costs as much as a jump freighter...
Ownership of Delve apparently confers a dev-inspired immunity to ever having it taken away except through disbanding the alliance.
(I'm in GF btw)
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Jalum Krayal
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:05:00 -
[948]
Originally by: Virtuozzo
Originally by: CCP Nozh
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
Now that is setting a wonderful precedent
I had to pick my jaw up off the floor when I read that.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:05:00 -
[949]
i decided to ~kick it up a notch~ so i sent a broadcast re: this thread on gf jabber, so between gs, our allies, and all the enemy spies, i think all of nullsec knows about dis lil thread
hth!
Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ column TheMittani @ Twitter
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Vladameir
Caldari Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:06:00 -
[950]
Edited by: Vladameir on 13/11/2009 19:08:58
Quote: As for docking games, please bear in mind not all SCs are aeons with 28 EHP. Hels can be killed by 4 DDs. So, while your at it make Slaves not affect Supercaps, and reduce the big EHP difference between armor and shieldtanked SCs.
^^^^ Slaves on Supercaps are SOOO overpowered with the new changes.. Crystals dont work on capitals.. so why do slaves..
Logistics Carrier - Current Carrier
Strike Carrier - Fighterbomber 2-4bil what nozh has in mind.. no logistics
Super Carrier - Abathur's changes to the MOMS.. KEEP THE OLD ONES
WIN!!!
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Sir JoJo
Minmatar x13
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:08:00 -
[951]
30mill ehp and docking is BAD, the cost reduce doesent bother me, but docking NAH, im not even gonna try reinforce a outpost having a blob of those sitting arround it, u need 50 titans to brake that sgit,
Back at thniking ccp, and now plzz this time THINK HARD RLY HARD before poasting again!
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particle9
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:09:00 -
[952]
i like the docking idea but is it possible for you to adjust the super carrier docking rate? either by making it so a super carrier has to wait an hour to re-dock at the same station or perhaps limiting it to docking once a day?
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Saul Reaver
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:11:00 -
[953]
Originally by: Commander Ogir Edited by: Commander Ogir on 13/11/2009 18:12:54
Originally by: CCP Nozh
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
3 per level, no dock!
No questions! No flames! Everyone happy!
/signed
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Chagaline
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:11:00 -
[954]
7 months in noob corp rules=) sorry for the ***** thingie, that was uncalled for. i am an emo kid
Well, just because the falcon and vaga was nerfed, ppl didnt stop flying em. I would imagine ppl who has the bpos can build the exact same number as before and sell em at more or less same price, actually after dom, prices on t2 ships will go up again. also, that hit what - 10 ppl in the game? this hits ALOT more. I just fail to see how you compare that to a instant 10 bill lose. Im sorry i just dont agree.
and yes part of my whine*/pov comes from the fact i just bought one=)
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RoCkEt X
Hostile.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:12:00 -
[955]
Originally by: Angelus X
I can certainly sympathise with their anger but that doesn't mean they deserve 'compensation' anymore than the owner of a t2 BPO, the ship of which has just been nerfed and which will result in a massive ISK loss for them.
CCP has never EVER reduced the build cost of ANY ITEM by this much on a ship of this size. the prices arent changing because of the ships capability, they are crashing because the build cost is to be nuked.
Invention was something that needed to happen because the game was growing, and there werent enough t2 items to go around. regardless of thier price.
**[.-H-.] Hostile.**
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ByFstugan
Caldari Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: ByFstugan on 13/11/2009 19:12:39 I forgot to mention in my last message here... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1212602&page=30#877
...that I also think SC's should get an active tank bonus, like 2x Capital Repair bonus. Plus what I said in that message and we are good to go imo ^^ _______________________________
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Zareph
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:12:00 -
[957]
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.
Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:
- Explosion Velocity: 60
- Damage: 3200
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
That's all for now.
-Nozh
A docking game 10 fighter base skill carrier. or 15 with 5 DCUs.
What's super about this ? Might as well make carriers have fighter bombers too they're just as useless.
Why do you have motherships so much? one of the most underused ships in the game was just about to become a force to reckon with in the game and be something the players would want to actually field more often and you remove it from the game?
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Jana Tanaka
Caldari Tanaka Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:13:00 -
[958]
Originally by: particle9 i like the docking idea but is it possible for you to adjust the super carrier docking rate? either by making it so a super carrier has to wait an hour to re-dock at the same station or perhaps limiting it to docking once a day?
^^ At least this tbh. Else a new meme will emerge: "Because of the SC."
Also it could be prudent to consider making Fighter Bombers unassignable, with the lower cost and docking ability, one does not need to be the oracle of delphi to forsee the effects...
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CynoNet Two
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:14:00 -
[959]
Hahahahahah
So not content with breaking both supercaps (and throwing in subtle regular capital nerfs) you're now destroying the brand new sov system - by making it impossible to lose an outpost if an alliance can muster a few supercaps?
This is an entirely new level of terrible.
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Ap0ll0n
Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:14:00 -
[960]
I approve of these new changes. I bought the ship a little month before the changes were published, so the changes are an improvement for me, and most other SC pilots out there, and since we will get a reimbursement, i think i can relax again lol..
But in all seriousness, people need to realize, that 12k dps from a SC with 30mill EHP was a bit too much, although i agree that we should still have the +3 drones per level, but then reduce FB¦s damage a bit instead.
The fact that they can now dock is well, silly. This will make them non supercaps, and i dont really think anyone really wan¦ts this. However, if it opens up for a new type of super capital, im all for it. And to the people who fear the undocking games, what will change from carriers to SC¦s? I mean, you can¦t usually not even kill a well tanked carrier before it can dock, and if you fear it will be able to bbq stuff and just dock up again, then don¦t play with it..
CCP, please stick to this! Lets see how it works in practice, and then tweak them, if they need any tweaks at all..
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