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Moctobot
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:15:00 -
[961]
'relax guys all you need is half a dozen titans to superlaser a mothership - i am sure that they can all cyno in, lock the mothership and fire their weapons with the 30 second aggression timer which prevents docking'
- a person who has never played eve online by ccp games
gas thread pretend it never happened ban ccp nozh thanks in advance
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Neily
The Circle Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:15:00 -
[962]
Edited by: Neily on 13/11/2009 19:15:11
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.
Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:
- Explosion Velocity: 60
- Damage: 3200
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
That's all for now.
-Nozh
I suggest that you guys READ VERY GOOD all the problems that are being complain here before putting posts like this.
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Lynn de'Marco
Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:15:00 -
[963]
Originally by: Vladameir
^^^^ Slaves on Supercaps are SOOO overpowered with the new changes.. Crystals dont work on capitals.. so why do slaves..
ok, nerf slaves and i'll be expecting a reimbursement for my high grade set please.
also can my armor regen for free like shields do?
perhaps introduce a new implant which increases shield hp whilst increasing sheild regen time (to avoid wtfuber passive regens).
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Zenst
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:15:00 -
[964]
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.
Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:
- Explosion Velocity: 60
- Damage: 3200
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
That's all for now.
-Nozh
Firstly thank you for listerning and showing that you care, much respect gained there.
The whole docking of motherships is fine though I do believe what needs to be looked into sometime soon is a aggresion dock timer that relates to the size of the ship, with the current timer being the minimum and the base being a BS as is. This will appease alot of new expliots with moms at stations and also address the whole carriers at stations affair as well being able to buffer out the agro and dock up.
The changes to bombers is a step back in the right direction, but it still on the whole seems a step down after loosing so much already on mom's. I have the following suggestions:
Add the ability (outside skills and ship bonus's) to effect fighters and bombers as normal drones can be. IE have some rigs and damage mods, after all these are there primary weapons and as such are alone in lacking the ability to increase damage or indeed be effected by modules in anyway compared to turrets, launchers; Even mining lasers have damage modules so to speak. This also sits in the mantra of reducing the number of drones still and alows people to be creative, add dynamics or it will be a case of I can speed tank them, no problem. OH WOW he had like 5 bomber/fighter tracking comps and as many speed comps and the damage was WOW, shame he had no tank at all but he sure did supprise us. Thats whats EVE is realy about, fitting personalities if you wish to place a name on that aspect, but variation driven by players. Instead of everything all the same and standard, no fun being a drone.
If you look at those angles then you can see a way to not only appease all the gripes by giving them the options but also address alot of issues in a simple and elegant maner. In laymens terms, less work involved and achiving sooooo much more than the single problem solution.
I think that approach to this would address pretty much every issue raised here and ever could be raised, along with issues that ain't even on the table yet.
Thank you for your time in conciderring this CCP. I now feel you can care (thanks GM Nozh).
PS whats the MOM's insurace deals?
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Kiri Serrensun
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:15:00 -
[965]
Remember when smartbombing motherships on lowsec gates were unassailable apart from lucky bumping? Remember people complaining about how lame it was?
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L'Artest
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: Soleil Fournier
-10 points for rolling out this change without warning or explaination +20 points for listening and implementing changes on feedback.
I don't think you perceive how the ability for them to dock along with the reduced cost will ruin lowsec. They could as well remove their ability to move and dedicate them to station camping.
I don't think you realize that lowsec is already ruined and awful
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Angelus X
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:23:00 -
[967]
Edited by: Angelus X on 13/11/2009 19:26:30 Edited by: Angelus X on 13/11/2009 19:24:44
Originally by: RoCkEt X CCP has never EVER reduced the build cost of ANY ITEM by this much on a ship of this size. the prices arent changing because of the ships capability, they are crashing because the build cost is to be nuked.
Invention was something that needed to happen because the game was growing, and there werent enough t2 items to go around. regardless of thier price.
That doesn't mean those people didn't lose out on a HUGE amount of ISK due to changes CCP made. Which is essentially what is happening here.
Originally by: Chagaline 7 months in noob corp rules=) sorry for the ***** thingie, that was uncalled for. i am an emo kid
Well, just because the falcon and vaga was nerfed, ppl didnt stop flying em. I would imagine ppl who has the bpos can build the exact same number as before and sell em at more or less same price, actually after dom, prices on t2 ships will go up again. also, that hit what - 10 ppl in the game? this hits ALOT more. I just fail to see how you compare that to a instant 10 bill lose. Im sorry i just dont agree.
I agree with you only ~20 something people (or groups) were effected by each seperate thing like a ship nerf, a module nerf or anything else that destroyed the profits from for a particular t2 item (hai invention 0/), but if you add all the people up who've made between moderate to significant losses due to changes made by CCP, it's A LOT of people, and as far as I know none have ever been compensated for that.
What I don't like the idea of Nozah suggesting as a way of placating the anger of justified mothership pilots over what are essentially awful changes. I would much rather see the mothership price pushed back up and the real problems here addressed rather than mediocre changes, a massive price drop that sees everyone and their mothers in a 'super carrier' by early next year, and a f**kton of isk reimbursed to hundreds and hundreds of pilots, not all necessarily deserved of it, but all the same feeds back into the already inflated Eve economy.
Pallidum explains my opinion a lot better...
Originally by: Pallidum Treponema While these changes do make the supercarrier better, it only makes the problem itself worse. I refer you to my previous post.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1212602&page=23#690
By 1) Reimbursing existing supercapital owners, 2) Keeping the reduction in buildcost and 3) Making supercarriers able to dock, you not only add the equivalent of several trillions worth of ISK to the eve economy, much of which will be used to build additional supercarriers, you also make supercarriers even MORE accessible to the playerbase, which further increases the mass proliferation that will occur.
I know that my corporation alone could easily field somewhere between 50 and 100 supercarriers within a year if these changes go into effect, and we'll have to if we want to remain a power in 0.0. My alliance could field literally hundreds of these things. When hundreds of these things are deployed on a single battlefield, just like carriers and dreadnoughts are fielded today, how do you think 0.0 warfare will look like? Do you think any kind of subcapital force will stand a chance? What about even normal capitals?
Yes, docking is absolutely the worst thing that could've been suggested. These make ANYONE able to own a supercarrier, as opposed to the relatively few players that have the ability to dedicate an account for this.
The higher pricepoint of motherships, along with the no-docking part ensures that they are STILL a very exclusive item. Keep them that way.
This will only result in breaking 0.0, which will require another nerf to these things in the future, once again pushing them into oblivion. This is inevitable.
Revert the latest iteration to the changes that Noah and Abathur proposed at fanfest. They were hailed as a balanced and fair boost to the supercapitals while still not being too overpo
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Nestor X85
Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:23:00 -
[968]
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.
Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:
- Explosion Velocity: 60
- Damage: 3200
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
That's all for now.
-Nozh
Ive always wanted to see a 30m EHP ship play docking games :)
thank you CCP for acting first thinking later :)
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Pattern Clarc
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:24:00 -
[969]
Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 13/11/2009 19:25:00 Maybe this is just step 2 out of a 5 post process from CCP Nozh that takes Moms from uber end game content, to reasonably balanced tier 3 carriers with mothership models... and huge isk compensations to the effected pilots...
At least I hope so. ____ Domination Balance (Or how we fix the Tempest) |
Shigsy
Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:24:00 -
[970]
Edited by: Shigsy on 13/11/2009 19:25:27 You dont even need to spider tank to play station games.
Dock in 0.0 station Free repair ???? More docking games!
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Mynas Atoch
UK Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:25:00 -
[971]
Originally by: Hatsumi Kobayashi Free CCP Abathur
oh good grief - does Nozh even play this game?
I'm starting to feel sorry for the kid . he is SO out of his depth. Its like watching a slow motion traffic accident.
Someone save him. And save us from him while you are at it.
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Sidus Sarmiang
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:25:00 -
[972]
The docking thing is good, but give them an hour long redock. I own a Hel, and while I love the idea of being able to dock even I agree that undock games could be a real problem with them. Second, give them the ability to field 3 fighters per level or 1-2 fighter bombers. That'll cap their max DPS against other caps while not crippling their ability to engage smaller ships. Hell, just give fighter bombers a high bandwidth and it'll have the same effect.
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grandprix
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:26:00 -
[973]
Originally by: The Mittani Edited by: The Mittani on 13/11/2009 18:46:48 we'll just park our however many supercarriers on the first outpost anyone tries to take in delve or querious, it'll be pretty stress-free since they can throw ecm bursts, are immune to ewar and our various enemies will have to chew through 30m+ ehp to pop one before they redock
^^ This If one of the major stated purposes of Dominion is to make null sec more variable, dynamic, and competitive, this change would unequivocally undermine all those intentions simultaneously.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Originally by: Hatsumi Kobayashi Free CCP Abathur
oh good grief - does Nozh even play this game?
I'm starting to feel sorry for the kid . he is SO out of his depth. Its like watching a slow motion traffic accident.
Someone save him. And save us from him while you are at it.
Seriouspost: someone make us some "Free Abathur" sigs.
Sins of a Solar Spymaster: my ~fair and balanced~ column TheMittani @ Twitter
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CynoNet Two
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:26:00 -
[975]
http://cgi.ebay.com/Eve-online-manual-with-free-Erebus-Titan-Pilot_W0QQitemZ180431549468QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a028ef41c
Hey Nozh you should grab this and learn to play supercaps
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MacArvid
Gallente M. Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:28:00 -
[976]
ffs see the positive things instead of all negative things.
Its friday!
Inhale......drink......and again.
o0k
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:29:00 -
[977]
WHY MAKE CHANGES TO ABATHUR'S DESIGN?!
Seriously? Where's this stuff coming from? You decided they can dock? On a whim?
GTFO
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Nyx STeeLGamers
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:29:00 -
[978]
Thanks for listening. Please do reimburse pre-dominion mothership pilots. Regards.
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Pattern Clarc
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:29:00 -
[979]
Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 13/11/2009 19:31:16
Originally by: grandprix
Originally by: The Mittani Edited by: The Mittani on 13/11/2009 18:46:48 we'll just park our however many supercarriers on the first outpost anyone tries to take in delve or querious, it'll be pretty stress-free since they can throw ecm bursts, are immune to ewar and our various enemies will have to chew through 30m+ ehp to pop one before they redock
^^ This If one of the major stated purposes of Dominion is to make null sec more variable, dynamic, and competitive, this change would unequivocally undermine all those intentions simultaneously.
It's funny that they're nerfing the dps of dreads on top of this also.(apart from the Rev which now has weapons with greater damage mods than hybrids) ____ Domination Balance (Or how we fix the Tempest) |
Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:30:00 -
[980]
Edited by: Mahke on 13/11/2009 19:35:48 Oh, and the massively overpowered for cost insurable mothership problem will be made even worse with reimbursement because with insurance + reimbursing people for lowered value you'll have given people able to pilot them isk to replace them many times over in the rare circumstances that they will actually die.
Not to mention people weren't reimbursed for speed nerf, RIG CHANGES (rigged small ships value change by fiat almost exactly like this, just spread over more people so less whines), trit respawn increase, etc. Why should this be different because supercarrier pilots whined louder?
Also, what are you going to do about people who bought them cheap since announcement// people who sold them before this and are going to uber-rage even worse than you're seeing now? What about people having them in build? How will you tell who to actually send the reimbursement to? It'll be chaos and fail.
And adding 4tril in minerals or pure isk will imbalance the economy whichever you put it in.
Bloody terrible all around (although really a minor problem compared to the insurable supercarrier fleets that will soon dominate the game if this goes through)
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Uzume Ame
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:32:00 -
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Woah, horrible: - Go play docking games with a ship capable of millions of EHP, basically you are invulnerable unless someone drops a fleet of 150 dreads on you and they better bump you fast or you can still dock. - You can lose it for 2 bill. insurance, making it a relativelly easy kill.
Meanhwhile, compact torps still horribad against CAPITALS, so how are these thingies, with destructable weapon systems (fighters or FB) supposed to fight effectivelly against other capitals.
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Ne0tr0n
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:34:00 -
[982]
Edited by: Ne0tr0n on 13/11/2009 19:35:26 Edited by: Ne0tr0n on 13/11/2009 19:34:45
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.
Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:
- Explosion Velocity: 60
- Damage: 3200
Super Carrier Changes:
- Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level
- Can dock at stations
Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.
That's all for now.
-Nozh
this is not acceptable!!!
1. low-sec??? hello??? 2. what about ppl who ordered SC'S (like me) that are still beeing in build and will finish AFTER dominions release??? whats your reimbursment plan on that??? 3. tbh wtf is this "new" change? its like more stupid then the total hell death nerf like it is now on sisi!!!
CHANGE SC'S BACK TO THE STATE THEY WHERE BEFORE THE NERF ON SISI WITH 3 DRONES PER LVL AND NO DOCKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: ropnes WHY MAKE CHANGES TO ABATHUR'S DESIGN?!
I so misread that.
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BraveLttl Toaster
BulletProof Monks Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:36:00 -
[984]
If they can dock, does that also mean that they can be built in stations?
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Giacomo Carissimi
Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:36:00 -
[985]
please fire CCP Nozh.
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:37:00 -
[986]
Edited by: Mahke on 13/11/2009 19:37:53
Originally by: Giacomo Carissimi please fire CCP Nozh.
Please fire whoever came up with this change.
No need to shoot the messenger.
edit: unless CCP is just trolling all of us, in which case, darn successful troll.
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Manfred Sideous
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:37:00 -
[987]
FREE ABATHUR ______________________________
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:38:00 -
[988]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 19:37:48 Take one rebalance. Add 300 whining MOM pilots. Result:
1) HP boosted, ewar immune, unkillable Dock/Undock MOMs..... 2) Reimbursement president set.
SKUNK
(o)
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Lynn de'Marco
Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:38:00 -
[989]
FREE ABATHUR
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Hickock
Caldari Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.13 19:39:00 -
[990]
dock in non npc stations only
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