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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Rough Necks
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Posted - 2009.11.16 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Catari Taga on 16/11/2009 15:04:35
Originally by: Zyleina Kzorvern You can reduce the build cost all you want, but if they can't dock, their numbers won't go up that much.
But once it can dock, it can join the 50+ other ships in my hanger. The ultimate cost of owning a mothership or titan was never the ship or mods. It was the dedicated account that you needed to fly it.
Allow them to dock, and even if you increase the build cost, their numbers will shoot up.
Definitely. I know many players who will get one if this goes live. The only reasonable explanation is that this is CCP's intention. I don't understand why they think this is a good idea though.
PS: Nerfs to DPS are balanced by the fact that a couple of these ships are an unkillable logistics platform IMO.
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cpu939
Gallente Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.16 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tobruk This whole thing is so absurd. EVERYHTING WAS FINE BEFORE YOU MADE THESE CHANGES NOZAH
Don't lower cost and gimp the dps hoping that they will become more widespread. If they are good ships they will become more widespread.
Don't let them dock so that more people will buy them. If they were as originally tested on SiSi then people will use them regardless.
Don't gimp the number of drones to reduce lag. Fix the graphics and coding to enable more bombers.
I get what you are going for but all that would have been, simply by leaving things as they were. If you insist on continuing then you owe current MS owners that 5-6 Bil in reduced build cost directly to their wallets, no questions asked. you screwed them big time with your announcement and with these changes.
alot of people are saying that we super cap owners are whinnning due to the dps loss i would still like the 20 drones/fighters but the real hit here is the fact that here is such a big isk loss never in eve has any 1 item loss such value in one go. well not in my 3 almost 4 years of playing yes we had the speed nerf and people lost bills from items they could not sell in time this is the 1st time any item has lost 10b in market value.
if this hits TQ it will be the biggest nerf to the game in an isk value and yes even a dps value. 0101011 001101111 011011000 110000101110100 01101001011011000 1100101001000000 1001110011000010 11101000111010101 11001001100101
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Skags
Minmatar Conflagration. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.16 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Lae Just on sisi, according to super descriptions, they've been re-nerfed to 1 fighter/fighter bomber per level.
Enjoy the monday nerf!
Did it ever cange? I was on Saterday and I think it was still 1. Another thing if there is isk given for price devalue to the SC's if someone has one cooking in the oven and it comes out a few days after patch day how are those taken care of and does it go to the toon who is cooking the ship or who ends up in the ship or some sort of peticion system?
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MAX MEXX
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Posted - 2009.11.16 15:17:00 -
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I do love how CCP randonmly removes post from this thred.
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Serena Ku
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.16 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: MAX MEXX I do love how CCP randonmly removes post from this thred.
Heh, and I thought my browser was acting up.
Anyway the new patch is up and have not noticed any changes done to Supercapitals yet.
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McFly
C0LDFIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.16 16:05:00 -
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10.28.2009: CCP Abathur: Supercarriers will not be docking in Dominion. If this ever happens it will be the result of a very expensive infrastructure or outpost upgrade.
<----What Happened here? Did Nozh stuff Abathur into a trunk somewhere and take the reins?
11.13.2009: CCP Nozh: Super Carrier Changes: Can dock at stations
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Meh Orka
Amarr Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.16 16:20:00 -
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Just make a new tier 2 carrier and leave the current motherships as they are. Tier 1 Carrier: the current carriers Tier 2 Carrier: Fighter Bomber/Anti capital spec. ship Tier 3 Carrier: Motherships
- New ships = GOOD - Nerfing ships = BAD
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hermina
Amarr Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.16 16:20:00 -
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Just make a new tier 2 carrier and leave the current motherships as they are. Tier 1 Carrier: the current carriers Tier 2 Carrier: Fighter Bomber/Anti capital spec. ship Tier 3 Carrier: Motherships
- New ships = GOOD - Nerfing ships = BAD
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Kate Pole
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Posted - 2009.11.16 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: hermina Just make a new tier 2 carrier and leave the current motherships as they are. Tier 1 Carrier: the current carriers Tier 2 Carrier: Fighter Bomber/Anti capital spec. ship Tier 3 Carrier: Motherships
- New ships = GOOD - Nerfing ships = BAD
Problem is MOMs as they are now are broken. Not enough dps, tank and jump range even with JC5 cant go with the rest of caps... so no, they need a boost on all lvls.
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R0ze
Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.16 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: McFly 10.28.2009: CCP Abathur: Supercarriers will not be docking in Dominion. If this ever happens it will be the result of a very expensive infrastructure or outpost upgrade.
<----What Happened here? Did Nozh stuff Abathur into a trunk somewhere and take the reins?
11.13.2009: CCP Nozh: Super Carrier Changes: Can dock at stations
QFT and history ..
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Mike Yass
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.16 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Master Arrow
Originally by: Mike Yass The real problem with reducing the cost of motherships is it reduces the desire to gank them.
With the intended buff to tanking, they are essentially immune to subcaps. The change to price also affects how many caps you're willing to commit to kill one. At 15 bil/ship plus another 2-3b in fittings it's worth risking around ~15 dreads to take it out. At 6b per ship, it's worth risking ~5 dreads to take it out.
The increase to HP also drastically increases enemy response time. Currently supercaps die to dread fleets before repping triage carriers can undock. After the patch, the defender is going to get 3-4 minutes after the attacking dreads enter siege to rescue a super cap. This is a massive, massive increase in risk to the attacker. Unfortunately, the logic behind cap fleets is that you always deploy as many caps as possible, and that when you lose, you tend to lose everything. The result is that risk of killing a mothership goes way, way up, and with the price nerf, the reward of killing one goes way, way down.
The end result is that motherships will be ****ing everwhere, and no one is going to try and kill them. Your patch will eliminate a nice source of cap fights. Please don't do that.
I know Goons are famous for stupid posts...but this is epic LOL'n at it's best....this has to be the worst point of view on supercarriers ever considering it comes from someone in goons who are famous for hotdropping anything that is camping a gate.
You're pretty dumb. The reason we abuse our capitals against small ships is that it's fun, it's nearly risk free and free to the pilot, and under certain situations, profitable for the pilot thanks to our reimbursement policy.
If you're going to gank a mothership in a competent alliance in dominion, you're going to get counter-dropped. That's not the case currently, as the asset they would counter-drop to save is already dead by the time they get a cyno in system.
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The Economist
Logically Consistent
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Posted - 2009.11.16 16:51:00 -
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Don't worry guys, I'm sure there's no chance that'll ccp will keep saying stuff on sisi is subject to change then announce a feature lock in a week's time with no significant changes to now. No chance at all
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fairimear
Gallente Esto Perpetua
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Posted - 2009.11.16 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 16/11/2009 16:54:59 this entire chapter of eve stinks.
THE CHANGES.
THE AMOUNT OF DEV RESPONCE.
THE LACK OF ANY REASON.
THE TOTAL INSULT TO EVERY 1 WHO HAS EVER PUT THE TIME REQUIRED FOR 1 OF THE SHIPS IN.
BUT MOSTLY
CCP STEALTH REMOVING POSTS FROM THIS THREAD + LOCKING A PERFECTLY VALID PETITION ON A PERFECTLY APROPRIATE FORUM FOR IT AND TELLING US TO USE CSM, AT A TIME WHEN CSM CAN'T EVEN DO JACK BECAUSE THE ARE BEING ELECTED NOW AND THE OLD ONES WILL NOT HAVE TIME IN THEIR TERM TO PROBABLY EVEN TALK TO CCP ONCE.
Bringing a type of class to PL. |
Raiga88
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.16 17:19:00 -
[1424]
THE END IS NEAR !
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Susy Assulu
Caldari Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.11.16 17:26:00 -
[1425]
Originally by: Raiga88 THE END IS NEAR !
THE TRUTH!
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Hakaru Ishiwara
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Posted - 2009.11.16 17:29:00 -
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To those who perceive Moms and this project management / customer relationship fiasco by CCP to be the exclusive concern of the super rich and elite in EVE, you couldn't be more mistaken.
What about those pilots who mined or gathered up the ore, built the capital components (AND invested in the capital component BPOs / BPCs) and performed the logistics to make it possible for one of these ships to be built?
Many pilots comprise the industrial chain required to build a super capital ship and not all of those pilots are super rich. Let us also not forget the pilots who hold and protect the space in which these ships are built.
These sudden and poorly communicated changes impact more pilots than is apparent by simply reading the test server feedback threads.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.11.16 17:31:00 -
[1427]
Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara To those who perceive Moms and this project management / customer relationship fiasco by CCP to be the exclusive concern of the super rich and elite in EVE, you couldn't be more mistaken.
What about those pilots who mined or gathered up the ore, built the capital components (AND invested in the capital component BPOs / BPCs) and performed the logistics to make it possible for one of these ships to be built?
Hear hear! --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Captain Jonah
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Posted - 2009.11.16 17:56:00 -
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Smells like Sony got involved...
Is Dominion CCP's "NGE"? (Starwars Galaxies epic fail)
-Gag intelligence, check -Ignore the playerbase, check -Nerf the end game and make sure most anyone get in on it (Jedi / Supercaps), check -Learn nothing by watching other MMO mistakes, looking like a check
-Mom account in training ready to cancel, check
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Saurish
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Posted - 2009.11.16 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Jonah Smells like Sony got involved...
Is Dominion CCP's "NGE"? (Starwars Galaxies epic fail)
-Gag intelligence, check -Ignore the playerbase, check -Nerf the end game and make sure most anyone get in on it (Jedi / Supercaps), check -Learn nothing by watching other MMO mistakes, looking like a check
-Mom account in training ready to cancel, check
Sad to see this unfolding...
This quote is probaly the most serius argument to any developer of CCP.
But if developer cannot solve what Captain Jonah said, then i have no idea wtf is he doing at mmorpg game.
Dumping down game for new players and for "masses", WoW is that way .
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.16 18:07:00 -
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Oh no! You are no longer a super elite space pilot! What will you ever do??????? I AM QUITTING RIGHT NOW YOU HEAR ME??????????? QUITTING EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE AND THE SKY IS FALLING AND I AM IMPRTANT AND QUITTING AND CANCELLING MY 550 ACCOUNTS GOD DAMN YOU ALL
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.16 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: McFly 10.28.2009: CCP Abathur: Supercarriers will not be docking in Dominion. If this ever happens it will be the result of a very expensive infrastructure or outpost upgrade.
<----What Happened here? Did Nozh stuff Abathur into a trunk somewhere and take the reins?
11.13.2009: CCP Nozh: Super Carrier Changes: Can dock at stations
Add to this 2009.09.15: CCP Abathur: One side effect of this change is that the build cost for Supercarriers will go down slightly as they will no longer require the Capital Clone Vat Bay components.
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Taarna Galin
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Posted - 2009.11.16 19:02:00 -
[1432]
It looks like the workday has come and gone for Nozh and he couldn't spare 5 minutes to post something, anything.
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Sajeera
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Posted - 2009.11.16 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt Oh no! You are no longer a super elite space pilot! What will you ever do??????? I AM QUITTING RIGHT NOW YOU HEAR ME??????????? QUITTING EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE AND THE SKY IS FALLING AND I AM IMPRTANT AND QUITTING AND CANCELLING MY 550 ACCOUNTS GOD DAMN YOU ALL
Nevertheless you are well known emo faggot, this is one of the very few times that i can agree with you.
All that i see is a bunch of old players screaming in horror that somebody may enter their special 2003 club and be able to pilot a mothership - BLASPHEMY.
All the threats for mass suicides, wrist cuts and account deleting are exactly because they already have a mothership and they want to be few and special, they want pawnmobile, expensive one, and to not be able to dock exactly because of the same reason.
I can agree about the docking games argument but there must be some way or game mechanic to prevent this, like docking timer or implementing some expensive outpost upgrade for docking. Everybody here raging against docking under any circumstances have only one thing in mind "Don't let other people be special like me".
Its not like every new pilot will jump from Ibis to Wyvern, you need years of training and tons of money to be able to afford one anyway.
Just my opinion, flame on....
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cpu939
Gallente Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.16 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Taarna Galin It looks like the workday has come and gone for Nozh and he couldn't spare 5 minutes to post something, anything.
remember he doesn't care about the ms pilot player base all he cares about is bumming down eve to get new players in next thing you'll see is the capital skill books costing 36m for capital ship 40m for carrier 8m for dread and 450m for titan
i mean no reply from any ccp dev and no dev blog also changes not happing on sisi, i think his post with the changes to docking and 2 fighter/drones per level was just a ploy to get us to wait and then it will hit tq and will be told no this is it.
also this is one of the devs along with zulupark who wants only 5 fighter/drones for carriers and ms with us having to give out the others now that he has took 50% away from the ms how long till he removes the other 25%.
ccp rp = look we value our players we even have a csm group made up and voted by the players ccp reality = we make the rules if you don't like it tought.
while i would like to go to fanfest where alot of talking on the super caps took place i now fell it is a pr stunt and like most stunts ends up going bad. 0101011 001101111 011011000 110000101110100 01101001011011000 1100101001000000 1001110011000010 11101000111010101 11001001100101
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casai
Caldari North Eastern Swat
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Posted - 2009.11.16 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sajeera
Its not like every new pilot will jump from Ibis to Wyvern, you need years of training and tons of money to be able to afford one anyway.
Just my opinion, flame on....
just need carrier lvl 3 and its not soo expensive anymore to fly these
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Shepard Book
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.11.16 19:26:00 -
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I like all the recent changes. I would say buff the dps on each fighter bomber themselves and not buckle to the more fight bombers deployed IF the DPS needs to go up. Reason being to help with lag. Keep up the good work!
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Agmar
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.16 19:35:00 -
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I'm looking for Nozh's dev blog, but I'm not finding it. The last minute is not the right time to implement massive changes.
What's wrong with sticking to what everyone agreed to be good, THEN assess the need for a nerf or change later?
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cpu939
Gallente Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.16 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Agmar I'm looking for Nozh's dev blog, but I'm not finding it. The last minute is not the right time to implement massive changes.
What's wrong with sticking to what everyone agreed to be good, THEN assess the need for a nerf or change later?
that would need ccp to use logic 0101011 001101111 011011000 110000101110100 01101001011011000 1100101001000000 1001110011000010 11101000111010101 11001001100101
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Obsidian Hawk
Free Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.16 19:41:00 -
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ok I have a thing to say.
For all the ccp devs who dont want to read the past 47 pages here is a quick summary of everything.
First, why the vets are angry.
Nerfing the cost requirements is a slap in the face of your customers. You have insulted them, and the people who produce those super caps by saying, Instead of being the pround few who can pilot or produce these marvelous ships, we are going to make this end game material like all the other mmo's and make it easy access for anyone to have. Devs - EvE Online has NEVER been great because it is easy, it is great because all pilots work their butts off to get the ship of their dreams, or be apart of something great. If stuff is cheap and the skills are easy to get then what is the point of working for the end game goals if they are easy to get. DO THE RIGHT THING, raise the cost up again by adding in the clone vat bay, and keep it at ~16 billion.
EvE community - granted super capital pilots are the minority in eve, but they are also the ones that generally run the corps or have substantial assets or are directors in corps. Please be respectful of their opinions, they are leaders for a reason.
2nd point unhappy nerf Super capitals are super capitals for a reason, they are to be 10-100 greater than nomral caps. With nerfs like this a mothership is just a super expensive carrier and a titan would be nothing more that a paper weight.
Super caps are there to strike fear into people. When motherships are fielded its mor fun to here "OH @#!%@#!%! motherships on the field, everyone warp out and regroup and get some support in here" Not, "oh look is a guy flying a mothership, how cute, guys new primary."
So devs once again do the right thing, +3 drones per level, keep the clone vat and the super triage modules on them. If you want to mess with the dps, mess with bomber bandwidth, not the drone control amount.
This is EvE online this is about internet spaceships, and the pride that comes with them. This game IS NOT supposed to be easy or have any sort of instant gratification.
Do the right thing.
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Magna Star
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Posted - 2009.11.16 19:46:00 -
[1440]
is it true that Super Carriers will be able to dock in an NPC stations (I havent read the 47 page thread)
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