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Lili Lu
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:58:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: balbala and personal attacks This is your arguments. Empty phrases and personal attack when someone wrote the truth and datas from drakes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DC5P9xkyKsThis is 90% percents of 0.0 fights already and 8 months ago. Drake blobs and missile spamming nothing else. Ribikoka, stop responding to him. Block his posts, they are not worth reading. He is certifiable. Let him sperge out to no avail. Eventually he will self destruct or get some help, irl. |
DJ P0N-3
Table Flippendeavors
26
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:04:00 -
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I think the Drake should have a new role bonus: for every new page of any given thread on the Eve Online forums, the probability of the Drake being mentioned approaches 1. |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
819
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:23:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Hey folks, thanks for the feedback, here are some answers for you.
- DRONES USUALLY DON'T MIX WELL WITH LONG RANGE COMBAT DUE TO TRAVEL TIME; HOW DO YOU PLAN TO TACKLE THIS? Again, this is quite a bit early to tell, but an option is to have drone frigates provide a bonus to drone speed and tracking instead of just raw damage. Not only it avoids making them too much overpowering next to other frigates, but also provides an appealing purpose next to the larger drone hulls.
If this is going to happen you might consider just reducing the drone bays of frigs to 0-5 m3 and adding a 1m3 drone class that can only be used with frigates. Seems more eve-like to me then just giving all frigs some odd drone bonus globally... might avoid some balance problems along the way (assigned drones?)
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E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
284
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:52:00 -
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Nice.
Need more-ádecent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term personal and corp goals. This applies to PvE and PvP. |
AlexOrl
we dont pay tax
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 20:21:00 -
[755] - Quote
So wich of those ships will have bonuses for fitting gas harvesters? Or wich ship would have the gas harvesting role? |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:00:00 -
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Jarod Leercap wrote:I can see the justification for the mining barge changes, but my sense of things is that the proposed changes will still have miners going to the ships with the most yield and then griping when they get ganked
Afk mining = low yield "battleship EHP"
If said miner picks the highest yeld one and get blown up, he can always SFTU and move on, smarter next time.
Anyway expect *insert whatever mining barge name with heavy EHP* = bot = *whawhawhawhawha brrrr CCP bot, me can kill not* nerf this NAO.
brb |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
170
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:25:00 -
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I expect to be using the high tank mining barge to mine in crowded high-sec systems, just to yank people's chains :) |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
425
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:49:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: balbala and personal attacks This is your arguments. Empty phrases and personal attack when someone wrote the truth and datas from drakes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DC5P9xkyKsThis is 90% percents of 0.0 fights already and 8 months ago. Drake blobs and missile spamming nothing else.
And people only fight in zerosec, in large fleets.
That's the only form of PvP in EVE.
And that paradigm is the only one about which PvP should be balanced, such that it effects the whole sandbox.
Whatever.
Get a clue, please.
Blocked for trolling, nothing more to see here. In irae, veritas. |
Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
182
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:54:00 -
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Hoarr wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:Hey folks, thanks for the feedback, here are some answers for you.
ARE YOU CONSIDERING CHANGING SOME FRIGATES TO FILL A LOGISTIC ROLE? Not at the moment, as we do not believe frigate hulls would be quite tailored for such a role: they are too frail and lack range to do the job properly. See the answer below for a more details on logistic ship plans.
Thanks for clearing all of that up. I'm really excited about the changes. The only thing that I have a question about is that you mention a separate section on another logi ship but then never get into them. What changes are you talking about? I'm interested in "the answer below" also. I'm guessing this was just a simple omission, yes? Support Aegis Destroyers: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97610 |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
746
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Posted - 2012.06.20 22:45:00 -
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The Bantam badly needs a remodel. It is an embarassment to look at! |
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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
240
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Posted - 2012.06.20 22:59:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Ribikoka wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: balbala and personal attacks This is your arguments. Empty phrases and personal attack when someone wrote the truth and datas from drakes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DC5P9xkyKsThis is 90% percents of 0.0 fights already and 8 months ago. Drake blobs and missile spamming nothing else. Ribikoka, stop responding to him. Block his posts, they are not worth reading. He is certifiable. Let him sperge out to no avail. Eventually he will collapse or get some help, irl.
All right. Anyway so tiring to read his stupid troll answers. |
Trollin
Drunken Traders
98
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Posted - 2012.06.20 23:36:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote: ARE WE RECEIVING A DEDICATED GAS MINING SHIP? A point that needs to be taken into consideration GÇô if that is possible we will integrate it into the Skiff, otherwise you may have to wait for a dedicated hull to arrive.
DOES THAT MEAN SKIFF WILL HAZ 5 HIGHSLOT?
We are our own worst enemy. |
Janeway84
Masters Of Destiny ORPHANS OF EVE
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 23:51:00 -
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I got a cool idea that you could implement at the same time as the mining barge rebalancing! With alot of new graphics update going into eve, i think it would be cool if you added a layer texture that makes the ship look like its more dirty and dusty the more cycles or minutes you are spending in a asteroid belt / grav site. sort of like an animated texture, that then disapears when you enter warp and you see a small dust cloud fly off your ship as you enter warp. |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
166
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Posted - 2012.06.21 00:07:00 -
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What? No Covert Ops Barge???
(This may have been mentioned already, but I didn't read all 38 pages...)
Actually, since we (my main's corp) have taken to flying Rokh Fleets, these changes are highly welcome and will (pretty much) render the Rokh osolete as a mining vessel. I mean, if we get a ship with yields and tankage as good as or better than the Rokh's, except with a large ore bay, we'd be very happy. |
Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
925
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Posted - 2012.06.21 00:58:00 -
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Can CCP Screw-Up the New Ming Barge Iteration?
The tl;dr is "Of course they can." Those with short attention spans can stop reading there, I suppose.
It seems CCP might be well on the way to making the new roles for the upcoming mining barge/exhumer iteration mostly pointless.
Two of the exhumers currently have specialized bonuses. The Skiff has a mercoxit mining bonus. The Mackinaw has an ice harvesting bonus.
How will this affect the new upcoming iteration? Where mercoxit and ice mining are concerned, it kind of makes the upcoming changes pretty pointless. If you're ice harvesting, why would you fly anything other than a Mackinaw? Whether it's Hulkageddon or not, no matter what space you're in, you're never going to choose the more sturdy Skiff over the ice harvesting bonus that the Mack gives. This defeats the purpose of the player having to make choices, having to gear their activity towards other outside forces and factors.
I'd simply assumed yesterday, when I cheered on the upcoming iteration towards roles, that the specific mining type bonuses would be removed from the exhumers. It seemed nothing but common sense that they would be removed.
Apparently not the case. CCP Ytterbium clarifies in some Q&A on the ship rebalancing thread:
Quote:Q: WILL EXHUMER SHIP SPECIALIZATIONS BE AFFECTED BY SUCH CHANGES?
A: Most likely not. It's times like this when I wish CCP would actually go into some detail on the decision. What's their thinking on the issue? Why do they feel that removing the current specializations is the wrong course of action? Hopefully the reasons are deeper than just being lazy and wanting to push some changes out the door as quickly as possible.
But ...
If CCP did remove the mining type specializations from the exhumers, what would happen to them? Would there be any way to get those mining type bonuses, if they aren't attached to ship types? There are two equally valid ways for CCP to go about doing this.
- Turn the Mining Laser Upgrade and Ice Harvester Upgrade modules into items that can load scripts. The scripts define any bonuses and penalties. Perhaps the Mercoxit Script gives a 60% bonus to mercoxit yield, while delivering an ore bay capacity penality, along with a penalty to gas cloud formation.
- Mining Type rigs. Want to mine mercoxit? Install a rig on the ship. Want to increase your ice harvesting yield? Install a rig on your mining vessel. The bonus of rigs is that to replace them, you have to destroy them, which would please manufacturers.
The codebase for both of these options are already in-game. These are not unique mechanics that have been offered up by the playerbase. CCP could do either of these painlessly, and likely quickly. Both options keep the new mining barge/exhumer roles intact, giving players the flexibility to mine what they want in the ship they want to use.
Why CCP is not going down this road, I have no idea. Smacks as a quick fix to some miner screaming, versus an iteration with some real longterm potential in mind. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Jarod Leercap
On Three 125
4
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Posted - 2012.06.21 02:08:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Jarod Leercap wrote:I can see the justification for the mining barge changes, but my sense of things is that the proposed changes will still have miners going to the ships with the most yield and then griping when they get ganked Afk mining = low yield "battleship EHP" If said miner picks the highest yeld one and get blown up, he can always SFTU and move on, smarter next time. Anyway expect *insert whatever mining barge name with heavy EHP* = bot = *whawhawhawhawha brrrr CCP bot, me can kill not* nerf this NAO.
Heh, heh. I was rather assuming the later would not happen, but it's a fair point.
My gut assessment is that the tough barge should be be a tough suicide gank to profit from if reasonably tanked and not exhorbitantly fit. However, my read is that it should not be so tough as to make AFK mining an entirely "safe" endeavor. I just don't know that that leaves enough leeway for the higher yield ship to both (1) have sufficient yield advantage to be worth using in its intended role and (2) not be popped by solar wind. ;)
In any event, I missed the comment about yields being made more similar, so the original picture in my head left rather substantial yield differences as a matter of course.
I'm also a little unsure about the value proposition between the tough barge and the cargo barge, unless the Covetor will be the only one allowed to jettison from an ore bay. |
Tommy Blue
Blackstar Technologies
6
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Posted - 2012.06.21 03:13:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote: stuff and things
While you raise a valid point, remember that exhumers are T2 ships. And CCP is not going to turn T2 ships into T1 ships.
Remember that T2 ships are all about specialization, while T1 is all about generalization.
So the three T1 barges are going to be general. They can do a bit of everything, but each in their own way (similar to how the frigs are being rebalanced). Some are better suited for certain things. The covetor will be better suited for fleets, the retriever for solo work, and the procurer for dangerous space (ganks). Each barge can work in every environment fine, but some are better at it than the others.
Now T2 is different. The exhumers take an aspect of their T1 hulls and amplify it. In the case of the Hulk, it performs better in fleets due to its massive yield and small ore bay. The mackinaw takes the large ore bay of the retriever and utilizes it for ice (which is huge). And finally the skiff takes the resilience of the procurer and puts it to use against the gas clouds that form mining mercoxit.
Now the reasons for why this is so for the mack and the skiff (a lot more so for the skiff)are in reality not really true, but this must be CCPs train of thought. Do you really need to worry a lot about toxic clouds such that you need battleship EHP? Of course not, but it gives you an idea of the reasoning behind these changes (at least from my perspective)
At the end of the day, the three T1 barges can do it all, with varying degrees of success. But the mack will be best for ice mining, which will be helped by a bonus for ice mining and the (upgraded?) ore bay it inherits from the retriever (less clicking). The skiff will be the best for mercoxit (as always) (the EHP thing doesnt really matter though), and the Hulk will be the best for mining all of the other ore, because of its yield. |
Opaque Intent
Setenta Corp AL3XAND3R.
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 04:08:00 -
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Tommy Blue wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote: stuff and things While you raise a valid point, remember that exhumers are T2 ships. And CCP is not going to turn T2 ships into T1 ships. Remember that T2 ships are all about specialization, while T1 is all about generalization.
IMO the exhumers should be like their t1 barges, but even more exaggerated.
Skiff should be massively, massively tanked.
Mackinaw should have a cavernous ore/ice hold.
Hulk should be uber bonused to mine anything.
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Tommy Blue
Blackstar Technologies
8
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Posted - 2012.06.21 04:30:00 -
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Opaque Intent wrote:Tommy Blue wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote: stuff and things While you raise a valid point, remember that exhumers are T2 ships. And CCP is not going to turn T2 ships into T1 ships. Remember that T2 ships are all about specialization, while T1 is all about generalization. IMO the exhumers should be like their t1 barges, but even more exaggerated. Skiff should be massively, massively tanked. Mackinaw should have a cavernous ore/ice hold. Hulk should be uber bonused to mine anything.
I'm fairly sure that is exactly what CCP is doing, nix the hulk being awesome at everything. There is no pvp ship that is awesome at everything, so their shouldn't be a mining ship that is awesome at everything.
I'll bet CCP will amplify the characteristics of their T1 hulls whilst also getting (keeping) their specializations. |
Yonis Kador
Transstellar Alchemy
164
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Posted - 2012.06.21 05:03:00 -
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I was looking at the schematic again and I noticed that the new ORE frig has a drone bay.
Any word on how many drones it'll carry or what the frig's bonuses will be?
Racial mining frigs had identical mining laser yield and cargo capacity bonuses. Aside from the Burst (no drones) they also shared a 5m3 drone bay. I'm hoping these new ORE frigs get more than one drone.
Would a single drone even be useful to a mining frig?
YK ... |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2014
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Posted - 2012.06.21 07:27:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:What? No Covert Ops Barge???
Hulk + Improved Cloak = Covops Barge. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
SubStandard Rin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 08:09:00 -
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Love the new mining changes,
but im worried about the "ship bonuses" on the Hulk, Mackinaw, Skiff how about when your redoing them adding a new slot to them like subsystem where you can put in one of three items
# Skiff bonus to Mercoxit mining # Mackinaw bonus to Ice mining # Hulk bonus to Other mining
what does this give us ? it also give us the same options on Ice / Mercoxit mining as the new changes gives us on the other ore.
Otherwise your pinned down in a specific ship if you mine Mercoxit or Ice.
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Nagarythe Tinurandir
Catholic School for Boys
21
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Posted - 2012.06.21 08:14:00 -
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i have to say "mining ALL the ores" isn't really a specialisation for a t2-ship. ice and mercoxit are specialized. maybe the bonuses on the hulk need to be more specific then just "yield".
some quick ideas: option one - make the hulk bonus only apply to "high risk" ores to be found in deep low sec and 0.0 maybe like arkonor, bistot ond crokite. oh and spod. this thick brick of sturdiness is pain in the ....
option two - make the hulk the dedicated gas mining ship. since the t1 barges get more yield anyway, why not get rid of the uber-roid-sucker - anyone-whants-to-fly completly and introduce a gas mining ship. ore bay needs to be changed into a gas bay so normal mining would go through the new 600m-¦ cargo hold. gimping normal mining with hulk down to an undesireable level.
option three - make the mack the dedicated gas mining ship, give it a big gas storage hold instead of an ore hold. self reliance is surely a good thing when gas mining and the newly added ehp will not hurt either. secondly make the hulk the dedicated ice mining ship and give some survivability so that it may survive gank attemps. at least the the non-serious ones. change the ore hold into and ice hold which needs a supporting ship like orca to be as efficient as one can get, and gimp the hulks ability to mine normal ore to a level below the mack. maybe change the ice mining mechanics so it isn't promoting afk mining that much?
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AlexOrl
we dont pay tax
1
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Posted - 2012.06.21 10:43:00 -
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Maybe a t2 version of the mining frigate could be a dedicated gas miner? |
Hulasikali Walla
Sardaukar Rise
2
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Posted - 2012.06.21 10:47:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: Hulk + Improved Cloak = Covops Barge.
So crazy it might even work |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
873
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Posted - 2012.06.21 11:02:00 -
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Hulasikali Walla wrote:RubyPorto wrote: Hulk + Improved Cloak = Covops Barge.
So crazy it might even work
[Proteus, New Setup 1] Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
[empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Salvager I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Proteus Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Next question? |
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.06.21 14:40:00 -
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Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:i have to say "mining ALL the ores" isn't really a specialisation for a t2-ship. ice and mercoxit are specialized. maybe the bonuses on the hulk need to be more specific then just "yield".
some quick ideas: option one - make the hulk bonus only apply to "high risk" ores to be found in deep low sec and 0.0 maybe like arkonor, bistot ond crokite. oh and spod. this thick brick of sturdiness is pain in the ....
option two - make the hulk the dedicated gas mining ship. since the t1 barges get more yield anyway, why not get rid of the uber-roid-sucker - anyone-whants-to-fly completly and introduce a gas mining ship. ore bay needs to be changed into a gas bay so normal mining would go through the new 600m-¦ cargo hold. gimping normal mining with hulk down to an undesireable level.
option three - make the mack the dedicated gas mining ship, give it a big gas storage hold instead of an ore hold. self reliance is surely a good thing when gas mining and the newly added ehp will not hurt either. secondly make the hulk the dedicated ice mining ship and give some survivability so that it may survive gank attemps. at least the the non-serious ones. change the ore hold into and ice hold which needs a supporting ship like orca to be as efficient as one can get, and gimp the hulks ability to mine normal ore to a level below the mack. maybe change the ice mining mechanics so it isn't promoting afk mining that much?
I kinda like option 2, with the covetor sliding into the "big fleet o' regular-rock destruction" role and ditching the belief that there *has* to be a more-better option for basic mining. It gives each of the T2 ships an actual specialization and promotes use of the T1's for the day-to-day operations.
Though,
in any case,
Quote:maybe change the ice mining mechanics so it isn't promoting afk mining that much?
times eleventy-billion. Even just cutting ice cycle/yield/chunk m3/refining in half so it starts out more like half-again as long as strip cycles rather than *over 3 times* as long as strip cycles would make it less of a pain (no, it's not going to *stop* botting and afk-ing, but it'll at least not punish people who don't afk it as much). |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2016
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:04:00 -
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St Mio wrote:Hulasikali Walla wrote:RubyPorto wrote: Hulk + Improved Cloak = Covops Barge.
So crazy it might even work [Proteus, New Setup 1] Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Salvager I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Proteus Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Next question?
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Love me some Proteus. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Tommy Blue
Blackstar Technologies
8
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:35:00 -
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The only problem to changing the hulk from the best roid rocker out there to something else will be the wave of miners freaking out because of changes to the hulk. Doing what you guys ^ have said would be interesting, but I think a lot of people would just leave the game/cause a ruckus just because they don't understand what is going on.
On a different note, I really hope CCP expands the ORE ship line. Right now we have 3 barges, an orca, a noctis, and a rorq. Since the frigates are loosing their mining bonus, we are getting a mining frig. Due to its mobility I have no choice but to believe that it is intended for ring mining (where mobility is key). Now that we know that cruisers are loosing their mining bonus, I would have to believe (or hope) that ORE will be debuting a new mining cruiser. It would be cool if the barges and their T2 counterparts were focused on ore mining, while their more traditional frigate/cruiser/(battleship?) hulls would be focused on ring mining (or gas harvesting). Perhaps CCP could add more hulls, or just make the cruiser hull focused on gas harvesting. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:05:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
Mining aligned will keep you 100% safe, guaranteed. Just warp off when someone starts landing on grid.
I don't see how that is true. preconditions for warp are aligned and 75% of max speed. In a hulk if I hit warp it seems that I align much sooner than I hit 75% of max speed. Aligning does little to nothing to make you safer unless you are moving and if you are mining ideally you can't really move it messes up the results from the roid scanner thus fuxoring your yield.
Staying aligned and at 3/4 speed is just not a viable option and staying aligned and stopped is nearly useless.
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